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Post by Cat on Jun 20, 2021 22:04:47 GMT
It's funny but if it bothers him for real then I don't get it. Did this argument exist before they introduced ratings like rated R, rated G for all audiences? Who cares if a film warns about things like foul language, violence or in this case, outdated perceptions? It's for the parents.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 20, 2021 22:07:03 GMT
I will forever have the stance that people don't have the right to not be offended and sometimes it is good and healthy to have someone offend you. I mean sometimes the trans community create problems that make people not want to support them. I don’t know. It’s one thing to tell an offensive joke for a comedy skit, but Gervais’ tweets don’t really come across as jokes. They seem like a clear example of him giving his opinion on the matter, especially since it was used in response to the newly formed controversy surrounding J.K. Rowling. To be blunt, Rowling got in trouble for less.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 20, 2021 22:07:25 GMT
It's funny but if it bothers him for real then I don't get it. Did this argument exist before they introduced ratings like rated R, rated G for all audiences? Who cares if a film warns about things like foul language, violence or in this case, outdated perceptions? It's for the parents. Those ratings were for ages. The fact that we have a segment of society that is so touchy and stupid that they need a disclaimer to basically tell them that things were different in the past is disturbing to me.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 20, 2021 22:08:01 GMT
I will forever have the stance that people don't have the right to not be offended and sometimes it is good and healthy to have someone offend you. I mean sometimes the trans community create problems that make people not want to support them. I don’t know. It’s one thing to tell an offensive joke for a comedy skit, but Gervais’ tweets don’t really come across as jokes. They seem like a clear example of him giving his opinion on the matter, especially since it was used in response to the newly formed controversy surrounding J.K. Rowling. To be blunt, Rowling got in trouble for less. I just touched on that in my other response.
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Post by Cat on Jun 20, 2021 22:14:33 GMT
It's funny but if it bothers him for real then I don't get it. Did this argument exist before they introduced ratings like rated R, rated G for all audiences? Who cares if a film warns about things like foul language, violence or in this case, outdated perceptions? It's for the parents. Those ratings were for ages. The fact that we have a segment of society that is so touchy and stupid that they need a disclaimer to basically tell them that things were different in the past is disturbing to me. It is a little to me too, but to me it's just something to fast forward through. Unless it's interesting, which it could be because it's also an excuse for the hosts to trot out their stuff.
I'd certainly rather something like that than withholding the movie.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 20, 2021 22:19:03 GMT
I don’t know. It’s one thing to tell an offensive joke for a comedy skit, but Gervais’ tweets don’t really come across as jokes. They seem like a clear example of him giving his opinion on the matter, especially since it was used in response to the newly formed controversy surrounding J.K. Rowling. To be blunt, Rowling got in trouble for less. I just touched on that in my other response. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they aren’t entitled to share their opinions. Everyone has opinions and one of the core tenets of a free country is that people should be free to say what they want (as long as they’re not threatening anyone) without having to worry about government retribution. I mostly just think it’s interesting to note that unlike other celebrities who have said problematic things, the careers of people like Bill Maher and Ricky Gervais don’t really seem to have been affected by their controversial statements, and they’ve never really had to apologize. It’s mostly notable in Bill Maher’s case because HBO has clearly tried to present itself as a supporter of social justice issues such as BLM.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 20, 2021 22:26:13 GMT
Those ratings were for ages. The fact that we have a segment of society that is so touchy and stupid that they need a disclaimer to basically tell them that things were different in the past is disturbing to me. It is a little to me too, but to me it's just something to fast forward through. Unless it's interesting, which it could be because it's also an excuse for the hosts to trot out their stuff.
I'd certainly rather something like that than withholding the movie.
Obviously I agree if I had to choose between the two, but the fact that we are in a time where you can actually bring that up as something you think is possible is terrifying to me. The issue is that it STARTS with the warnings, but can turn into something else. In fact we already have studios removing episodes of shows from streaming services and scenes in movies that might be offensive to people. There is 5 episodes of South Park that aren't available on HBO Max already. There are many episodes of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia that are banned from streaming too.
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Post by janntosh on Jun 20, 2021 22:28:13 GMT
Kind of funny that Maher was well liked by liberals but he steps out of line slightly and they now despise him
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 20, 2021 22:30:07 GMT
I just touched on that in my other response. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they aren’t entitled to share their opinions. Everyone has opinions and one of the core tenets of a free country is that people should be free to say what they want (as long as they’re not threatening anyone) without having to worry about government retribution. I mostly just think it’s interesting to note that unlike other celebrities who have said problematic things, the careers of people like Bill Maher and Ricky Gervais don’t really seem to have been affected by their controversial statements, and they’ve never really had to apologize. It’s mostly notable in Bill Maher’s case because HBO has clearly tried to present itself as a supporter of social justice issues such as BLM. I am glad that their careers haven't been damaged and it is crap that other people's have for similar reasons. As for HBO itself I can't comment, but I think it is an issue if HBO just removes all content just because it goes against some of what they claim to stand for. If I was an employer and claimed to stand for something, I would still hire people who had different views. I believe this is very important.
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Post by Cat on Jun 20, 2021 22:32:17 GMT
It is a little to me too, but to me it's just something to fast forward through. Unless it's interesting, which it could be because it's also an excuse for the hosts to trot out their stuff.
I'd certainly rather something like that than withholding the movie.
Obviously I agree if I had to choose between the two, but the fact that we are in a time where you can actually bring that up as something you think is possible is terrifying to me. The issue is that it STARTS with the warnings, but can turn into something else. In fact we already have studios removing episodes of shows from streaming services and scenes in movies that might be offensive to people. There is 5 episodes of South Park that aren't available on HBO Max already. There are many episodes of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia that are banned from streaming too. It started with the warnings ages ago. My response was going to be what you started touching on just there. Streaming services already withhold and edit from the source. It's why I think physical ownership is a concept that peaked upon discovery. I didn't know about South Park but I'm hardly surprised. Disney + withheld the Michael Jackson episode of The Simpsons after the documentary came out.
I don't like it either. I don't get who's pulling for the censorship and why.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 20, 2021 22:32:27 GMT
Kind of funny that Maher was well liked by liberals but he steps out of line slightly and they now despise him So who the heck is his fanbase now then? I think it is the people like me, who are sick of the woke shit.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 20, 2021 22:32:35 GMT
Kind of funny that Maher was well liked by liberals but he steps out of line slightly and they now despise him Maher has been controversial with liberals at least since the 2000s. He’s always expressed views that are considered problematic, especially after 9/11.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 20, 2021 22:36:46 GMT
Obviously I agree if I had to choose between the two, but the fact that we are in a time where you can actually bring that up as something you think is possible is terrifying to me. The issue is that it STARTS with the warnings, but can turn into something else. In fact we already have studios removing episodes of shows from streaming services and scenes in movies that might be offensive to people. There is 5 episodes of South Park that aren't available on HBO Max already. There are many episodes of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia that are banned from streaming too. It started with the warnings ages ago. My response was going to be what you started touching on just there. Streaming services already withhold and edit from the source. It's why I think physical ownership is a concept that peaked upon discovery. I didn't know about South Park but I'm hardly surprised. Disney + withheld the Michael Jackson episode of The Simpsons after the documentary came out.
I don't like it either. I don't get who's pulling for the censorship and why.
This why we must fight back. I didn't mean to suggest that it is all new stuff, but the last 5 years have been more in your face. I mean the South Park thing happened a while ago where they stopped airing the episode on TV I believe and the reason is even more troubling. Because they were making fun of the prophet Mohammed. Comedy Central would allow the creators to show the actual image of Mohammed because that is forbidden in Islam. This is letting terrorism win in a sense.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 20, 2021 22:41:00 GMT
Kind of funny that Maher was well liked by liberals but he steps out of line slightly and they now despise him Maher has been controversial with liberals at least since the 2000s. He’s always expressed views that are considered problematic, especially after 9/11. This I actually agree with. He tries to pretend he isn't Islamophobic, but he really is. Though he has made many good points and called out some of the opposition for their lies. The thing is though that he hates religion in general and is a very aggressive atheist, so he isn't just hating of Islam. Being Islamophobic is warranted imo, but so would Christianophobic. He is a lot harder on Islam though and sometimes puts all Muslims in the same basket and this is a problem.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 20, 2021 22:42:34 GMT
Kind of funny that Maher was well liked by liberals but he steps out of line slightly and they now despise him So who the heck is his fanbase now then? I think it is the people like me, who are sick of the woke shit. A lot of his fanbase seems to consist of people who think social justice is a disease that’s the number one issue society is facing. Frankly, if it hadn’t been for his comments about religion (and even then, he mostly seems indifferent about Christianity) and the fact that he dislikes Trump, the Fox News crowd would probably universally love him.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 20, 2021 22:44:17 GMT
So who the heck is his fanbase now then? I think it is the people like me, who are sick of the woke shit. A lot of his fanbase seems to consist of people who think social justice is a disease that’s the number one issue society is facing. Frankly, if it hadn’t been for his comments about religion (and even then, he mostly seems indifferent about Christianity) and the fact that he dislikes Trump, the Fox News crowd would probably universally love him. He is NOT indifferent about Christianity, he just doesn't see it as harmful as Islam. I have seen him defend social justice on many occasions, he just makes big distinction between useful social justice and harmful far left ideas of social justice. He doesn't have much in common with someone like Ben Shapiro imo, though they agree very much on some stuff. As Prime pointed out though, they are both mouthpieces of the media and there are always biases and playing with truth in there. I watch them not as a news source, but for certain cathartic reasons. I think there are very few fully reliable news sources in general. If you want TRUTH you have to dig for it.
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Post by millar70 on Jun 20, 2021 22:57:48 GMT
Maher is a guy who is much more in line with Trump supporters than Progressives, but can't admit to it because it would be complimentary of Trump, and he simply can't go that way.
It's a stifling, conflicted way to live, but he made his bed.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 20, 2021 23:01:59 GMT
A lot of his fanbase seems to consist of people who think social justice is a disease that’s the number one issue society is facing. Frankly, if it hadn’t been for his comments about religion (and even then, he mostly seems indifferent about Christianity) and the fact that he dislikes Trump, the Fox News crowd would probably universally love him. He is NOT indifferent about Christianity, he just doesn't see it as harmful as Islam. I have seen him defend social justice on many occasions, he just makes big distinction between useful social justice and harmful far left ideas of social justice. He doesn't have much in common with someone like Ben Shapiro imo, though they agree very much on some stuff. As Prime pointed out though, they are both mouthpieces of the media and there are always biases and playing with truth in there. I watch them not as a news source, but for certain cathartic reasons. I think there are very few fully reliable news sources in general. If you want TRUTH you have to dig for it. Alright, ‘indifferent’ wasn’t the right word. Of course, I did acknowledge that his comments about religion have gotten him some heat from conservatives. It just doesn’t seem to be a huge backlash these days.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 20, 2021 23:02:31 GMT
Maher is a guy who is much more in line with Trump supporters than Progressives, but can't admit to it because it would be complimentary of Trump, and he simply can't go that way. It's a stifling, conflicted way to live, but he made his bed. At most he would be a moderate Republican, but his Atheism is part of what keeps him on the left imo. If not for that I don't know where he would land, that is why I consider him to be in the center. My Dad is the same way. He voted Republican until Barak Obama's presidency and the reason he voted for him was because that is the time when he was pissed at the right for Union busting.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 20, 2021 23:06:45 GMT
He is NOT indifferent about Christianity, he just doesn't see it as harmful as Islam. I have seen him defend social justice on many occasions, he just makes big distinction between useful social justice and harmful far left ideas of social justice. He doesn't have much in common with someone like Ben Shapiro imo, though they agree very much on some stuff. As Prime pointed out though, they are both mouthpieces of the media and there are always biases and playing with truth in there. I watch them not as a news source, but for certain cathartic reasons. I think there are very few fully reliable news sources in general. If you want TRUTH you have to dig for it. Alright, ‘indifferent’ wasn’t the right word. Of course, I did acknowledge that his comments about religion have gotten him some heat from conservatives. It just doesn’t seem to be a huge backlash these days. I think it isn't as much backlash these days, because him and Conservatives are both hard against some of the same things. They overlook that now and are just use to his feelings about religion and God. The main reasons I am a fan is because of his position on religion and the more extreme SJW crowd. I also just like his personality and think he is hilarious. Call me crazy.
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