vishspal
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Post by vishspal on Jun 22, 2021 22:05:34 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Jun 22, 2021 23:48:35 GMT
I kind of wish that Travis Knight came back but I did like Creed II.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 23, 2021 1:21:29 GMT
Looking forward to seeing the film.
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Post by ck100 on Jun 23, 2021 2:09:12 GMT
If Hailee Steinfeld comes back and dresses sexy, then I'll care.
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Post by pennypacker on Jun 23, 2021 2:28:44 GMT
I love Beast Wars so much. 🙏
I haven’t really seen any of the Transformers movies though. Hopefully this works well as a stand alone.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 23, 2021 4:38:16 GMT
Well, at least they're not rebooting the Bayformers stories. As a G1 kid, I was well beyond toys & cartoons by the time Beast Wars emerged, & frankly I scoffed at their premise. This seems like a lot of new characters/groupings at once, esp right after a Bumblebee standalone. I feel like this will be the one to break the camel's back for live action TF. Already it feels like Fantastic Beasts (pardon the namesake) spinning off too hard from Harry Potter. Unless there's an underground retro Beast Wars fanbase I've never encountered online during my years of G1 revisitations.
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Downey
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Post by Downey on Jun 23, 2021 7:52:03 GMT
I always hated the animal version of Transformers their cartoons were shit.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 23, 2021 20:28:08 GMT
I always hated the animal version of Transformers their cartoons were shit. I hate to be the one to enlighten you, but Animals have always been a part of The Transformers, since the very first episode... What do you think Laserbeak and Ravage were? A Condor & a Panther. They just didn't have the "Flesh" associated with Beast Wars. I've always wondered if many of the Animal modes were good disguises though, since their scale was highly questionable... Jesus, the Insecticons couldn't hide, if their lives depended on it... Kickback was way too big to hide among real grasshoppers. LOL! And some of the Beast Modes seemed off way off too... BW Megatron was a T-Rex, but was half the size of G1 Optimus Prime who turned into a Semi Truck? I'll be curious to see how this movie deals with the scale of the beasts. If they are scaled accurately, they may not really be much of a threat to the other Transformers.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 23, 2021 21:01:46 GMT
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 24, 2021 3:56:02 GMT
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 24, 2021 18:19:41 GMT
Where this film will stand in the Film franchise: Bumblebee had his film... Now it's time to focus a bit on... (Maybe some minor spoilers:) "The main hero is Optimus, as we all know and love," Caple said. "We're bringing Prime back, paying direct homage to Generation One. I care so much about this character that I really wanted to dive into Transformers, and I saw a Bumblebee and I was like, okay, Bumblebee had his own movie, but I want to discover more about Optimus Prime, dig underneath the surface, get underneath the metal, if you would, and like explore who he is and his experience here on earth, you know?"
"I know everyone has been asking like crazy, are we going, G1, are we going to G1?" Caple continued. "The answer is, yes, we are going to G1, the Prime."
The movie takes place about a decade before Michael Bay's Transformers -- and Caple plans to use that as an opportunity to explore a kind of "Year One" approach to Optimus Prime, and give fans a sense of how he became a great leader.
"It's 1994, and in a way, both the animated series and the Bay films treat Optimus the same in the sense of who he is as a leader, what is his drive?" Caple said. "All those things. What we've done is we're bringing it back to where you see how he becomes, what you're familiar with. And that's big new news."
And, yes, it isn't just a question of him spending 10 years on Earth. There's more to it than that, and fans will get to see what his "emotional" tie is to the planet, according to the director.
"When you say got to where he is, you mean 'we need to protect these earthlings and this biological planet,'" Caple explained. "The way to look at it is he's new to earth and he doesn't have a connection to earth the way we met him in the Bay films and the way we met him in the animated series where he's already a protector of Earth. And so in this film, it's forming, why does he have a link to humanity? And why does he have a link to earth? And that's emotional... At the beginning of Bumblebee, we showed, he escaped from Cybertron his home planet. And so in a sense, he's he literally is like an ex-pat here, right? He's landed. He's, he's an alien and he's never been here before. And so it allows us to get underneath say the stoicism of what we're traditionally presented in an Optimus." |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 24, 2021 18:53:14 GMT
I hated Beast Wars.
I hated the whole concept.
Ravage was a cougar but you could assume that Teletran 1 (Explore! Explore! Repair! Repair!) had come across some kind of cougar statue or art deco concept on a building roof and that was why those designs were used.
The dinobots were made by Wheeljack and the insecticons were--I can't remember how they appeared but it was just less hokey than Optimus Prime becoming a gorilla on this planet.
The robots into cars thing made sense.
Robots into gorillas?
That was stretching it.
I hated the voices too.
I think they had Starscream in one episode--did one miss Chris Latta.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 24, 2021 19:06:53 GMT
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 24, 2021 19:44:13 GMT
the insecticons were--I can't remember how they appeared " A Plague of Insecticons" 4 Million Years after the battle with the Autobot ship, "The Ark"... Megatron and the Decepticons investigate the report of "robot insects" at Demon Swamp and discover that their lair is not a hollowed-out rock, as it appears, but an escape pod ejected from the Decepticon cruiser, "Nemesis" that brought them all to Earth... The robot insects are Decepticons... After their escape pod, landed in the swamp, their idento-computers gave them new alternate modes based on local insects. tfwiki.net/wiki/A_Plague_of_InsecticonsOddly... Their robot modes were about a standard size in comparison with most of the Transformers, and their insect modes were about the equivalent size: No Mass Shifting... Hot Rod ran over the car sized Kickback in '86 Movie. Perhaps, 4 million years ago, insects were car sized? Maybe the Beasts in the new film, will take their size cue, from the size of the ancient Animals living in the past?
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 24, 2021 19:57:43 GMT
Megatron and the Decepticons investigate the report of "robot insects" at Demon Swamp and discover that their lair is not a hollowed-out rock, as it appears, but an escape pod ejected from the Decepticon cruiser, "Nemesis" that brought them all to Earth... The robot insects are Decepticons... After their escape pod, landed in the swamp, their idento-computers gave them new alternate modes based on local insects. tfwiki.net/wiki/A_Plague_of_InsecticonsOddly... Their robot modes were about a standard size in comparison with most of the Transformers, and their insect modes were about the equivalent size: No Mass Shifting... Oh right. I remember they were renegades. They didn't follow Megatron's orders--they were more self-centered. And they could clone themselves.
The Constructicons (I think) were either built by Megatron and friends or brought there from the Cybertronian bridge.
I think the Insecticons were a lot like Ravage or Laserbeak or even Rumble--Rumble did not have much personality. He could talk but he was completely subservient to Soundwave. Oh yeah and then there were the Predacons.
I forgot about them.
The more they add new ones, the less pure it becomes.
Stunticons?
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 24, 2021 20:42:47 GMT
The Constructicons (I think) were either built by Megatron and friends or brought there from the Cybertronian bridge. I think the Insecticons were a lot like Ravage or Laserbeak or even Rumble--Rumble did not have much personality. He could talk but he was completely subservient to Soundwave. Oh yeah and then there were the Predacons. Continuity was never a priority in the original cartoon... Much like the live action films it seems... There were three origin stories for the Constructicons, in the cartoon... I try to remember it like this: The Constructicons were neutral... They along with some additional construction based transformers, (Green Hauler), built Megatron... Megatron reprogrammed the main six into full Decepticons, and they became enemies with Omega Supreme... At some point they could become Devastator. I don't remember them doing this while on Cybertron... When they came to Earth, they were reformatted into Earth vehicles... ( Megatron says they "built" them, but may have meant the Earth conversion, or creating Devastator.) The animation studio, frequently showed the characters in the past on Cybertron in Earth modes... Starscream & the Constructicons, for example, probably so that it would not confuse their younger audience fans, and to keep it simple for the animators... The G1 Predacons, that became Predaking, never had an origin story... but as I recall, had very realistic animal forms, but without flesh, and were mostly, properly scaled to their animal counterparts living in present day. Not sure how the comics introduced and portrayed these characters... I'm kind of surprised that the G1 Predacons are not being featured in this film... As I would think they would fit right in better with the Earth Animal Themes and the ties to Ancient Cultures... Didn't the G1 Terrorcons have monster forms, like Dragons and such?... Seems odd... But maybe they are based on a different continuity? ( Creatures From "Unicron"?)... And yet, Honoring G1 seems to be the primary focus with these recent films... But they probably thought fans would get too confused between the G1 Predacons Subgroup, and the BW Predacon decendents of the Decepticons if both were in the same film. Still, looking forward to seeing how all this "Animation" is created for all these Beast characters and learning about their histories.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 24, 2021 21:07:14 GMT
I remember in Transformers the movie-the Insecticons really get trashed. And some of them end up as the Sweeps--the Unicorn-created army for Galvatron. Having them look humanoid in itself is kind of anachronistic --but I feel they made them look too non-humanoid in the face in the movies. And I think the cartoon series pilot was perfectly fine for adapting into a movie. When I saw Jurassic Park-when I left the theater--I thought--this technology would be great for War of the Worlds or Transformers. and someone did a cgi animation of the Optimus Prime (oh btw-I didnt pick my name to reflect Transformers love) and Mgeatron fight form the 86 movie--it looked pretty good. This was around 2008. I think they really blew the first movie potential. The cartoon show was pretty damn good-the first two seasons anyway. I think they should bring in Kremzeek!
The comic book had some ideas i wish the movie would have used like the Autobots go to a drive-in and think it is a gathering of robots--because they don't see the humans as anything of significance.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 24, 2021 21:15:58 GMT
Are they really still going to treat this movie as a prequel to the Michael Bay films? I don’t understand the reasoning behind that.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 25, 2021 3:17:03 GMT
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 25, 2021 3:53:09 GMT
"Machu Picchu"? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machu_PicchuFantastic! I've been fascinated with "Machu Picchu" since it was featured on the cover of one of my history books when I was in School in the 1980s/early 1990s... It's was the G2 Era of the Transformers... G1 was ending, and BW was just beginning... Seems quite fitting, and nostalgic to me... That they go there is this film... which is also set in 1994. And another interesting minor spoiler... This one, is about Bumblebee's vehicle mode: The film will also feature an off-road Camaro look at fan-favorite Bumblebee. "We’ve never done an off-road version of a Transformer. So new territory," said Di Bonaventura.
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