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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 5, 2021 5:43:20 GMT
Mentioned on another forum I frequent--listing movies where the bad guy is shown to lose to the hero early and so there isn't much suspense for a rematch later in the movie.
I.e. Sauron loses at the beginning of LOTR
Logan – the character Pierce loses every fight.
Justice League (the Snyder Cut) - Darkseid is defeated early so why be afraid he will come back to be defeated again?
Lucy 2014 Choi Min-sik chases after her and tries to get her again and again. She continually defeats him and he keeps coming back for more.
Iron Man 2 - Mickey Rourke gets defeated by Tony Stark and then spends the rests of the movie plotting revenge only to get defeated once again in the finale.
Batman and Robin - Mr. Freeze is beaten by Batman during the heist sequence.
Terminator 3 -- although the T-X cannot get damaged while Arnie can.
The point raised is that this kind of plotting works against the audience's expectations that the hero is in any danger.
I said it is because setting up the story so there is a final battle between hero and villain reeks of toxic masculinity and we can't gave that.
Unlike say Robocop--where Boddicker is a real threat and could well defeat him. He almost does.
Or Darkman where Robert Durant is shown to be ruthless early on so when he shows up in the lab you know he is bad news.
Or Ramrod in Vice Squad.
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