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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 20, 2024 12:47:44 GMT
Just to be the obvious guy... He also played in a different era when you couldn't hit the quarterback, touch receivers, or run your offense through the running back, and the one time he got hurt the league made a rule against that ever happening to him again. You can't compare because you don't know what would have happened to a Johnny Unitas or an Otto Graham or a Joe Montana if they played in another era. Joe Montana was the league MVP (AFL) in 1968 with 15 touchdowns and 17 interceptions and a completion percentage below 50%. And the hit that effectively ended Joe Montana's career would likely have been a penalty these days.. and so many other hits they guys took would be outlawed. The likelihood of any player playing as long as Brady did in any other era would have been nearly impossible and there's no chance that Brady could have put up the numbers or the longevity in previous eras. But still yeah, you're right. It is difficult to compare people in completely different eras, the only fair way to compare across eras is to look at their accomplishments and stats compared to players of the same era. Unitas is still widely considered in the conversation of all-time great quarterbacks, despite Pro Football Reference telling me he is a very mediocre to below average quarterback if you look at his stats - because he was that much better than the rest of the guys of his era. Brady's numbers AND championships compared to everyone else who played in the same era he did are astounding. All true. But, for instance, Joe Montana may very well have put up bigger and better numbers and played for an extra decade, thereby racking up an extra several championships in an era where Lawrence Taylor was not able to just eviscerate quarterbacks, had he played in Brady's era. But yeah, you're still right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2024 20:25:06 GMT
Yes, yes he is.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 22, 2024 13:45:43 GMT
It is difficult to compare people in completely different eras, the only fair way to compare across eras is to look at their accomplishments and stats compared to players of the same era. Unitas is still widely considered in the conversation of all-time great quarterbacks, despite Pro Football Reference telling me he is a very mediocre to below average quarterback if you look at his stats - because he was that much better than the rest of the guys of his era. Brady's numbers AND championships compared to everyone else who played in the same era he did are astounding. All true. But, for instance, Joe Montana may very well have put up bigger and better numbers and played for an extra decade, thereby racking up an extra several championships in an era where Lawrence Taylor was not able to just eviscerate quarterbacks, had he played in Brady's era. But yeah, you're still right. Montana also played in a league that didn't have the parity and rampant free agency of today. One conference (his) was head and shoulders above the other in those days. From 1982 to 1997, the NFC won 15 of 16 Super Bowls, including 13 straight from 1985-1997. And almost all of those games were absolute curb stomps. I know it all too well, my two favorite teams (Patriots, Broncos) were on the receiving end of several of those. Perhaps ironically, the two closest games other than the Giants victory over the Bills belong to the 49ers over the Bengals, twice. And I don't say any of this to knock Joe down a peg, he's my third favorite QB of all time. He was clutch in two SB wins and absolutely dominant in two more. His stats and wins speak for themselves. Just pointing out every QB had advantages others didn't. Otto Graham didn't have to process a third of the information a rookie QB on a last place team does these days, on each play, back in his day. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 22, 2024 14:16:30 GMT
All true. But, for instance, Joe Montana may very well have put up bigger and better numbers and played for an extra decade, thereby racking up an extra several championships in an era where Lawrence Taylor was not able to just eviscerate quarterbacks, had he played in Brady's era. But yeah, you're still right. Montana also played in a league that didn't have the parity and rampant free agency of today. One conference (his) was head and shoulders above the other in those days. From 1982 to 1997, the NFC won 15 of 16 Super Bowls, including 13 straight from 1985-1997. And almost all of those games were absolute curb stomps. I know it all too well, my two favorite teams (Patriots, Broncos) were on the receiving end of several of those. Perhaps ironically, the two closest games other than the Giants victory over the Bills belong to the 49ers over the Bengals, twice. And I don't say any of this to knock Joe down a peg, he's my third favorite QB of all time. He was clutch in two SB wins and absolutely dominant in two more. His stats and wins speak for themselves. Just pointing out every QB had advantages others didn't. Otto Graham didn't have to process a third of the information a rookie QB on a last place team does these days, on each play, back in his day. All the more reason you can't really account for the different eras. I think it was Terry Bradshaw that was asked about this and said something to the effect of 'No, I don't know if I could have put up the numbers these guys are putting up now, but I also don't know if Peyton and Brady could have played in the 70s either.' Basically, he was saying the position and the game was just different, so the skill set had to be different. Not a new, revolutionary concept, but still true. |
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 22, 2024 14:40:26 GMT
The no votes are mounting, the anti-Brady revolution has begun.
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Post by Marv on Jan 22, 2024 14:57:03 GMT
Just to be the obvious guy... He also played in a different era when you couldn't hit the quarterback, touch receivers, or run your offense through the running back, and the one time he got hurt the league made a rule against that ever happening to him again. You can't compare because you don't know what would have happened to a Johnny Unitas or an Otto Graham or a Joe Montana if they played in another era. Joe Montana was the league MVP (AFL) in 1968 with 15 touchdowns and 17 interceptions and a completion percentage below 50%. And the hit that effectively ended Joe Montana's career would likely have been a penalty these days.. and so many other hits they guys took would be outlawed. The likelihood of any player playing as long as Brady did in any other era would have been nearly impossible and there's no chance that Brady could have put up the numbers or the longevity in previous eras. But still yeah, you're right. It is difficult to compare people in completely different eras, the only fair way to compare across eras is to look at their accomplishments and stats compared to players of the same era. Unitas is still widely considered in the conversation of all-time great quarterbacks, despite Pro Football Reference telling me he is a very mediocre to below average quarterback if you look at his stats - because he was that much better than the rest of the guys of his era. Brady's numbers AND championships compared to everyone else who played in the same era he did are astounding. This is how I try to look at it also. Not faulting anyone for having a different way of gaging greatness…but comparing players to their peers feels like the best metric to me. But honestly there’s no eyebrows raised so long as it’s someone in the conversation. |
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jan 22, 2024 17:39:02 GMT
I don’t know how anybody can argue that he isn’t. Just look at the numbers. Look at how clutch he was. He won games that nobody else could have conceived of. At the end of the day winning in professional sports matters the most. Tom excelled at winning.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 22, 2024 21:43:52 GMT
The no votes are mounting, the anti-Brady revolution has begun. We started noticing the people noticing.  |
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Post by Xcalatë on Jan 23, 2024 0:06:10 GMT
Of course he is. The numbers and records don't lie.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 23, 2024 1:01:51 GMT
Wade Wilson
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 23, 2024 1:04:53 GMT
This guy? 1165781137) |
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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 27, 2024 5:30:15 GMT
9 of you are stupid and shall receive God's wrath.
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