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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 20:20:51 GMT
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't know who that pastor is. Pastor Anderson has made several speeches about killing homosexuals and believes the Holocaust is a hoax (or at least exaggerated). I know who he is, hence why I said I don't agree with him often but he makes a point here. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 20:36:41 GMT
No one can be without a job if they want one. I work in mental health and addictions. I meet countless people who would like to be able to hold down a job, but they can't because of mental illness. Your statement is false. Many of the poor people living on the street where I live have addictions AND mental health issues (I count addiction as a mental health issue), they call it dual-diagnosis. They are people with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are self medicating and in many cases being preyed upon by drug dealers thanks to the War on Drugs pushing addiction underground. Anyone who simplifies or generalizes all people living on the streets is stupid, hence why I didn't watch the video. Those people you work with don't truly "want" a job. The benefit of satisfying their addiction outweighs being employed, so they choose the former. You unintentionally displayed their first-world privilege mentality. Do you think if we were to offer the starving families of Ghana, with exposed ribs and malnourished guts, a job making the American minimum wage, they'd give it up because of their addiction or "mental illness"? Of course not. To them, it's take the job or die. But these people you speak of know they'll be relatively taken care of without a job - they can get welfare, food stamps, go to food banks. They can still survive without going hungry. So, of course the incentive for employment isn't as appealing to them when, without one, they can satisfy their addictions AND eat. This country makes it too easy for the unemployed. If assistance didn't exist, and people literally had to work to eat, and not working meant starvation and death, you'd see a lot less excuses and lot more working - the employment rate would be 0.001%. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 17, 2017 20:49:57 GMT
So in order to accept this dude's premise, we have to accept that any exception is an example of laziness and thus keeps him batting 100%
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 20:53:21 GMT
I work in mental health and addictions. I meet countless people who would like to be able to hold down a job, but they can't because of mental illness. Your statement is false. Many of the poor people living on the street where I live have addictions AND mental health issues (I count addiction as a mental health issue), they call it dual-diagnosis. They are people with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are self medicating and in many cases being preyed upon by drug dealers thanks to the War on Drugs pushing addiction underground. Anyone who simplifies or generalizes all people living on the streets is stupid, hence why I didn't watch the video. Those people you work with don't truly "want" a job. The benefit of satisfying their addiction outweighs being employed, so they choose the former. You unintentionally displayed their first-world privilege mentality. Do you think if we were to offer the starving families of Ghana, with exposed ribs and malnourished guts, a job making the American minimum wage, they'd give it up because of their addiction or "mental illness"? Of course not. To them, it's take the job or die. But these people you speak of know they'll be relatively taken care of without a job - they can get welfare, food stamps, go to food banks. They can still survive without going hungry. So, of course the incentive for employment isn't as appealing to them when, without one, they can satisfy their addictions AND eat. This country makes it too easy for the unemployed. If assistance didn't exist, and people literally had to work to eat, and not working meant starvation and death, you'd see a lot less excuses and lot more working - the employment rate would be 0.001%. Sweeping generalisations about the wants and motivations for such a large and diverse group of people is the purview of simpletons. Yes be thankful you have running water and food so you're not really poor ,stupid nonsensical false equivalency pedalled by the morally bankrupt faux Christian right,Ghana is among the poorest countries in the world America the richest. I could just as easily say that a Chinese migrant would take a skilled Americans job at minimum wage for a chance to live in America,so why shouldn't Americans take a pay cut or lose their jobs? Yep you're a fucking idiot. |
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Post by blade on May 17, 2017 21:00:36 GMT
Those people you work with don't truly "want" a job. The benefit of satisfying their addiction outweighs being employed, so they choose the former. You unintentionally displayed their first-world privilege mentality. Do you think if we were to offer the starving families of Ghana, with exposed ribs and malnourished guts, a job making the American minimum wage, they'd give it up because of their addiction or "mental illness"? Of course not. To them, it's take the job or die. But these people you speak of know they'll be relatively taken care of without a job - they can get welfare, food stamps, go to food banks. They can still survive without going hungry. So, of course the incentive for employment isn't as appealing to them when, without one, they can satisfy their addictions AND eat. This country makes it too easy for the unemployed. If assistance didn't exist, and people literally had to work to eat, and not working meant starvation and death, you'd see a lot less excuses and lot more working - the employment rate would be 0.001%. Sweeping generalisations about the wants and motivations for such a large and diverse group of people is the purview of simpletons. Yes be thankful you have running water and food so you're not really poor ,stupid nonsensical false equivalency pedalled by the morally bankrupt faux Christian right,Ghana is among the poorest countries in the world America the richest. I could just as easily say that a Chinese migrant would take a skilled Americans job at minimum wage for a chance to live in America,so why shouldn't Americans take a pay cut or lose their jobs? Yep you're a fucking idiot.  |
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Post by cupcakes on May 17, 2017 21:52:17 GMT
tpfkar Whenever you do your vapid remedial grade-schooler brain dead shtick, he should just reply to you with 
They know that yet they keep bringing it up...implying I had an interest in the children. It was an insult against the parent. The guy lived with his parents and I wondered how they all fit in the house at night when they slept. I wondered if some had to sleep in the garage or elsewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 22:48:52 GMT
Sweeping generalisations about the wants and motivations for such a large and diverse group of people is the purview of simpletons. Yes be thankful you have running water and food so you're not really poor ,stupid nonsensical false equivalency pedalled by the morally bankrupt faux Christian right,Ghana is among the poorest countries in the world America the richest. I could just as easily say that a Chinese migrant would take a skilled Americans job at minimum wage for a chance to live in America,so why shouldn't Americans take a pay cut or lose their jobs? Yep you're a fucking idiot. Lol yet you didn't disprove anything I said, this entire post is a diversion, and ended with a ad hominem lol. There's a difference between the poor and lazy. The poor work for the food. The lazy do not and get government handouts and make excuses.. ANYONE in this country can get a job if they want one enough. It may not be the CEO of Boeing but any factory will hire a minimum wage position. Minimum wage is MORE than enough to survive on: clean water, fruits, veggies, beans. Especially when the alternative is making nothing and not eating. Enjoying the luxuries of coffee, fast food, beer, entertainment: those you earn...with your own money. Lol you probably get assistance yet you're typing on your luxury if a computer and wifi. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 23:28:05 GMT
I can't watch the video whilst I'm at work, but conservative Christians do enjoy looking for ways to be able to cherry pick the parts of their religion which enables them to treat others with cruelty and disclaim the parts which require having some care and compassion, let alone being willing to sacrifice for the wellbeing of others. So they've basically subverted Jesus into Ayn Rand.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 23:31:23 GMT
So in order to accept this dude's premise, we have to accept that any exception is an example of laziness and thus keeps him batting 100% That's conservative politics, combined with a belief in 'free will'. Anyone who is struggling must have chosen that for themselves through their own free will and is refusing to take 'personal responsibility' for themselves (there's never any instance where someone would be economically suffering through no fault of their own). And Jesus wouldn't have wanted people who chose their own suffering to be helped. Therefore it's positively commendable never to help the poor and to condemn anyone else who does help the poor. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 23:39:21 GMT
Lol yet you didn't disprove anything I said, this entire post is a diversion, and ended with a ad hominem lol. There's a difference between the poor and lazy. The poor work for the food. The lazy do not and get government handouts and make excuses.. ANYONE in this country can get a job if they want one enough. It may not be the CEO of Boeing but any factory will hire a minimum wage position. Minimum wage is MORE than enough to survive on: clean water, fruits, veggies, beans. Especially when the alternative is making nothing and not eating. Enjoying the luxuries of coffee, fast food, beer, entertainment: those you earn...with your own money. Lol you probably get assistance yet you're typing on your luxury if a computer and wifi. So take, for example, the Great Depression. Did the entire character of most of the population just change almost overnight, to the stage where they couldn't be bothered working and would rather just starve to death?
And from what economics textbook did you draw the belief that there are always more jobs in circulation than those who are seeking employment? During the last recession, I heard and read (from reputable sources) some rather stark statistics concerning the ratio of jobseekers to jobs. For example, a McDonald's job might have had 70 applications for every 1 vacancy that they had available. Similar stats for other menial jobs which don't require specialist qualifications.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 18, 2017 6:14:23 GMT
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't know who that pastor is. Pastor Anderson has made several speeches about killing homosexuals and believes the Holocaust is a hoax (or at least exaggerated). Glad I didn't watch the video. OP, you're problem is that you waste your time watching videos of pieces of shit talking. Some bigoted idiot has something to say, have some self respect and find something better to do. You not only wasted your own time, you wasted the time of anyone who clicked your link in good faith. |
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on May 18, 2017 9:19:58 GMT
Really? You felt that video game consoles somehow refutes anything I posted? What is that, a Sean Hannity talking point or something? You missed the other Hannityesque talking point he snuck in there, that people are poor in other countries because socialism. |
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Post by permutojoe on May 18, 2017 11:19:54 GMT
Really? You felt that video game consoles somehow refutes anything I posted? What is that, a Sean Hannity talking point or something? You missed the other Hannityesque talking point he snuck in there, that people are poor in other countries because socialism. Yes. It seems to be a steady stream of redirects rather than looking at the real issue. Forget about the people. Forget about zooming in on Joe Blow and insisting that all he needs to do is work harder and be more responsible. There are millions upon millions of jobs in the US that pay very badly and afford little if any retirement and health care benefits. This is not dependent in any way on how responsible or hard working people are. It's a problem with the system. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 13:33:44 GMT
Lol yet you didn't disprove anything I said, this entire post is a diversion, and ended with a ad hominem lol. There's a difference between the poor and lazy. The poor work for the food. The lazy do not and get government handouts and make excuses.. ANYONE in this country can get a job if they want one enough. It may not be the CEO of Boeing but any factory will hire a minimum wage position. Minimum wage is MORE than enough to survive on: clean water, fruits, veggies, beans. Especially when the alternative is making nothing and not eating. Enjoying the luxuries of coffee, fast food, beer, entertainment: those you earn...with your own money. Lol you probably get assistance yet you're typing on your luxury if a computer and wifi. In order for me to disprove anything you'd actually have to offer proof for what you claim in the first place,the unsupported opinions of you and that shit for brains preacher you linked to do not constitute proof. Indeed there is, poor people work for their food however when they are unable to get a job or not able to work then food is provided for them so they don't starve until such time they can gain employment or in the case of sick people food is provided until they die,we could always euthanise them I suppose . Indeed some lazy people do not work and get government handouts,some lazy people are in jobs that they're shit at, both groups make excuses what your point? Every factory will hire minimum wage? Absurd in the extreme, I guess the high tech aerospace firms and car manufacturers higher people at minimum wage do they? And you presume that every person has a factory local to them and it's hiring or that they're suitable for factory work. Yes because they're currently enough jobs available in exactly the areas where the unemployed are to employ everybody who is looking for a job. Right? Wrong. Absolutely everybody who makes minimum wage has exactly the same costs of living no matter where they are in the country,and every person on the minimum wage has no dependent's right? Indeed except for the fact many people with jobs can't afford any of those luxuries. No I don't I have a good job and have never claimed a benefit in my life,so you'd be wrong on that along with everything else on this you've said in this thread. |
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Post by vernuf on May 18, 2017 17:50:29 GMT
I work in mental health and addictions. I meet countless people who would like to be able to hold down a job, but they can't because of mental illness. Your statement is false. Many of the poor people living on the street where I live have addictions AND mental health issues (I count addiction as a mental health issue), they call it dual-diagnosis. They are people with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are self medicating and in many cases being preyed upon by drug dealers thanks to the War on Drugs pushing addiction underground. Anyone who simplifies or generalizes all people living on the streets is stupid, hence why I didn't watch the video. Those people you work with don't truly "want" a job. The benefit of satisfying their addiction outweighs being employed, so they choose the former. You unintentionally displayed their first-world privilege mentality. Do you think if we were to offer the starving families of Ghana, with exposed ribs and malnourished guts, a job making the American minimum wage, they'd give it up because of their addiction or "mental illness"? Of course not. To them, it's take the job or die. But these people you speak of know they'll be relatively taken care of without a job - they can get welfare, food stamps, go to food banks. They can still survive without going hungry. So, of course the incentive for employment isn't as appealing to them when, without one, they can satisfy their addictions AND eat. This country makes it too easy for the unemployed. If assistance didn't exist, and people literally had to work to eat, and not working meant starvation and death, you'd see a lot less excuses and lot more working - the employment rate would be 0.001%. That's a remarkable display of stupidity and arrogance on your part. |
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