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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 23:57:27 GMT
m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=Hm8AnNiwH58I don't agree with him often, but this guy actually makes good points here. Take out the religious aspect of it, and he raises a lot of good points. At 24:00 mark he also disproves the claim that processed/junk foods are cheaper than healthy food by doing his own experiment. He owns a "hunger in America" documentary that argues the "hungry" are all obese. Go figure. Unless you're in a third world country, no one truly can suffer from anything if you put forth effort.
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 17, 2017 0:17:54 GMT
While I don't disagree that everyone *should* work and support themselves if at all possible, that guys knowledge of the cost and procurement of fresh, healthy food in high density urban areas, the existence of food deserts in the lower income portions of those same areas, how it affects working families trying to get three good meals on the table, and the way cities undercut infrastructure and education in those same areas (vs higher income areas) seems to be nil.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 17, 2017 0:34:29 GMT
A pastor that, instead of having empathy for those less fortunate, shames them.
How refreshing. A church for douche-bags.
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Post by scienceisgod on May 17, 2017 0:44:16 GMT
While I don't disagree that everyone *should* work and support themselves if at all possible, that guys knowledge of the cost and procurement of fresh, healthy food in high density urban areas, the existence of food deserts in the lower income portions of those same areas, how it affects working families trying to get three good meals on the table, and the way cities undercut infrastructure and education in those same areas (vs higher income areas) seems to be nil. You keep trying to push this lie. School funding goes up not down every year, especially inner city schools which already get the MOST funding. DC Public Schools spend over $30,000 per student per year, the highest in the nation. They have the worst performance in the nation by every metric. The poor schools are rural and white. Whole Foods Market is also a lot closer to the ghetto than it is to Hillbilly Estates trailer park. I agree that the guy is wrong, but for the opposite reason. Obesity didn't used to exist until government got involved in telling everyone what to eat. It's really hard to explain the coexistence of obese mothers with malnourished children in the third world by blaming food deserts and school funding cuts. |
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Post by scienceisgod on May 17, 2017 0:47:50 GMT
A pastor that, instead of having empathy for those less fortunate, shames them. How refreshing. A church for douche-bags. He's being scientific. You think advertisers leverage emotions like fear and guilt without psychological studies to back them up as powerful motivators? |
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 17, 2017 0:48:20 GMT
... the nature of this school system I work in yearly.
You already posted this response almost verbatim on the old forum. Its flaws were soundly noted.
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Post by thefleetsin on May 17, 2017 0:49:33 GMT
"for i was hungry and you fed me."
christ jesus
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 0:57:09 GMT
I agree with the general idea that the poor in America are relatively well-off, but this guy seems strangely rage-filled. He basically writes off all poor people as lazy. The church should be radically generous, but I also think it's important to be good stewards of the resources you have. If you're just throwing money around, you aren't going to have much left. Give generously, serve radically, and spend wisely.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 17, 2017 0:59:36 GMT
"for i was hungry and you fed me." christ jesus Amen, brother! |
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 17, 2017 1:37:46 GMT
A pastor that, instead of having empathy for those less fortunate, shames them. How refreshing. A church for douche-bags. He's being scientific. You think advertisers leverage emotions like fear and guilt without psychological studies to back them up as powerful motivators? I didn't watch any of the video. If he wants to be scientific he should get a real job. A leech that leeches off gullible people is in no position to complain about other people doing something similar. |
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Post by permutojoe on May 17, 2017 1:41:15 GMT
What an absurd statement. The poor in America get to work for shit pay with shit benefits and shit health insurance. And then they get demonized by the brainwashed right who proudly claim it's all their own fault. You think that's relatively well-off? Relative to what exactly?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 2:15:06 GMT
A pastor that, instead of having empathy for those less fortunate, shames them. How refreshing. A church for douche-bags. His point was that no one can be hungry in America. No one can be without a job if they want one. Therefore homeless people begging for change are just lazy. He gave an example of a job fair next to his church that hired basically anyone, the only catch was that you had to be there at 4 in The morning -- many claiming they needed a job and/or on assistance didn't show up bc they didn't want to get up that early. Go figure. I guarantee you starving families in Africa wouldn't turn down an over abundance of fresh spring water and food because they didn't want to get up early. America's poor is a first world poor. It's not poor, it's entitlement. Homeless people want yo stay up late doing drugs, drinking, fornicating. They don't truly desire a job. They're not truly starving either, which is why you never see a skin and bones homeless person. Food banks can't even give away all their food before it goes bad: most homeless aren't interested in food banks, they want cash - for booze, lottery tickets, cigarettes. Anyone can be rich in America if they work hard. Anyone. But it's going to take a lot in inconvience at first: working long hours, starting at minimum wage, getting up early. I hate this entitlement mentality. There is even a scene in the documentary where one "poor" woman finally gets a job...happy ending? No, then she complains she makes too much they took her food stamps away and were supposed to sympathize with that lmao |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 2:18:35 GMT
What an absurd statement. The poor in America get to work for shit pay with shit benefits and shit health insurance. And then they get demonized by the brainwashed right who proudly claim it's all their own fault. You think that's relatively well-off? Relative to what exactly? Most of the people under the poverty line in America have air conditioning and video game consoles (thanks to capitalism). That's relatively well off compared to ACTUAL poor people who only get a bowl of rice a week (thanks to food shortages in socialist utopias). But either way, I'm not at all a fan of this preacher. He seems misguided and resentful. There are a lot of people who honestly need help, and they should be able to receive whatever help they need from their church (in addition to other places). |
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 17, 2017 2:29:19 GMT
A pastor that, instead of having empathy for those less fortunate, shames them. How refreshing. A church for douche-bags. No one can be without a job if they want one. I work in mental health and addictions. I meet countless people who would like to be able to hold down a job, but they can't because of mental illness. Your statement is false. Many of the poor people living on the street where I live have addictions AND mental health issues (I count addiction as a mental health issue), they call it dual-diagnosis. They are people with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are self medicating and in many cases being preyed upon by drug dealers thanks to the War on Drugs pushing addiction underground. Anyone who simplifies or generalizes all people living on the streets is stupid, hence why I didn't watch the video. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 17, 2017 2:54:59 GMT
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't know who that pastor is. Pastor Anderson has made several speeches about killing homosexuals and believes the Holocaust is a hoax (or at least exaggerated).
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Post by dividavi on May 17, 2017 2:57:55 GMT
m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=Hm8AnNiwH58I don't agree with him often, but this guy actually makes good points here. Take out the religious aspect of it, and he raises a lot of good points. At 24:00 mark he also disproves the claim that processed/junk foods are cheaper than healthy food by doing his own experiment. He owns a "hunger in America" documentary that argues the "hungry" are all obese. Go figure. Unless you're in a third world country, no one truly can suffer from anything if you put forth effort. Pastor Steven L. Anderson is a lying piece of shit, a criminal who rejoices when gay people are murdered, and a Neo-Nazi Holocaust Denier. Now he wants to starve those people who are unworthy in his eyes. That's pretty close to standard thinking of GOP supporters in America. I guess Pastor Steven L. Anderson's job of spouting fantasies through weekly services is work but it's not what I consider productive labor. |
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Post by Marv on May 17, 2017 3:35:02 GMT
In my exposure a majority of homeless seem to suffer drug addiction or mental disorders, or both.
Lazy wouldn't really be the word I'd use.
I didn't watch the vid tho. No time.
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Post by cupcakes on May 17, 2017 4:01:13 GMT
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Post by permutojoe on May 17, 2017 10:54:42 GMT
Really? You felt that video game consoles somehow refutes anything I posted? What is that, a Sean Hannity talking point or something?
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Post by vernuf on May 17, 2017 19:55:22 GMT
Why is it that just about every time someone says a person "owns" a particular viewpoint in regards to arguing against it, they really don't?
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