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Post by kolchak92 on Jul 13, 2021 15:03:43 GMT
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Post by spooner5020 on Jul 13, 2021 15:30:17 GMT
Both are good. Tie.
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Post by James on Jul 13, 2021 15:31:31 GMT
87
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jul 13, 2021 17:27:19 GMT
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Post by jcush on Jul 13, 2021 17:28:29 GMT
1987 - 8/10
2014 - 5/10
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Jul 13, 2021 17:46:05 GMT
The remake is ok I guess but pointless. Some films are meant to stand alone and be representative of when they came out. RoboCop is definitely such a film.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 13, 2021 18:00:36 GMT
I have no interest in the remake-but the Quotes page dialogue sure isn't as quotable as the original.
There's an increasing amount of internalization in movie dialogue compared to 25-30 years ago.
It used to be that dialogue would be connected to plot action---"I'm not arresting you anymore."
Now it's like group therapy dialogue.
I am sure Black Widow has lots of it.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 13, 2021 18:08:24 GMT
1987 - 7/10
2014 - 6/10
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Post by kolchak92 on Jul 13, 2021 18:09:12 GMT
I have no interest in the remake-but the Quotes page dialogue sure isn't as quotable as the original. There's an increasing amount of internalization in movie dialogue compared to 25-30 years ago. It used to be that dialogue would be connected to plot action---"I'm not arresting you anymore." Now it's like group therapy dialogue. I am sure Black Widow has lots of it. Not sure I quite understand what you mean.
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Post by Downey on Jul 13, 2021 18:33:08 GMT
I have no interest in the remake-but the Quotes page dialogue sure isn't as quotable as the original. There's an increasing amount of internalization in movie dialogue compared to 25-30 years ago. It used to be that dialogue would be connected to plot action---"I'm not arresting you anymore." Now it's like group therapy dialogue. I am sure Black Widow has lots of it. Not sure I quite understand what you mean. That's a common side effect when reading a prime comment, it'll pass. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 13, 2021 18:37:22 GMT
Not sure I quite understand what you mean. I notice that dialogue has shifted in movies from direct action or feeling being expressed.. It's like less act or character oriented, it's more like telling someone what they should do or stating one's present emotions without letting the audience figure that out.
In the original Robocop they reduce his family discussion to a few lines:
RoboCop: Murphy had a wife and son. What happened to them?
Officer Lewis: Well, after the funeral... she moved away.
RoboCop: Where did they go?
Officer Lewis: She thought you were dead. She started over again.
RoboCop: I can feel them... but I can't remember them.
[Lewis extends her arm to comfort Murphy]
RoboCop: Leave me alone.
*they did not need a lot of dialogue to cover that. We know he is is upset and why when he says: "leave me alone."
In the remake the dialogue goes like this:
Clara Murphy: Alex. You need to come home.
RoboCop: Clara, please stand aside.
Clara Murphy: You need to speak to your son.
RoboCop: Right now, I see three crimes in progress.
Clara Murphy: Alex, listen to me. I know you're in there. David won't show his face at school. He's having nightmares. He's falling apart. I am falling apart. Please. I can't do this on my own. He's been scared ever since that night.
It's instructional. "You need to speak to your son." "I'm falling apart."
There are ways of showing that, without stating it so directly.
It's not the most energetic kind of dialogue, even for something like a personal issue.
And there's a lot of that kind of dialogue now.
No one quotes frm movies anymore because the dialogue is so forgettable or the lines are delivered as if reading a phone book (I am not the only one who noticed Scarlett Johansson's line readings).
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jul 13, 2021 18:48:28 GMT
RoboCop (1987)
The remake was awful.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 13, 2021 22:09:25 GMT
1987. I don't hate the 2014 movie but it's very bland and should had been an R at least.
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Post by ck100 on Jul 13, 2021 22:38:23 GMT
I have no interest in the remake-but the Quotes page dialogue sure isn't as quotable as the original. There's an increasing amount of internalization in movie dialogue compared to 25-30 years ago. It used to be that dialogue would be connected to plot action---"I'm not arresting you anymore." Now it's like group therapy dialogue. I am sure Black Widow has lots of it. If I understand you correctly, dialogue in the past was more straightforward and simplistic. The dialogue of today is lengthier and feels like you're being spoonfed information. Is this what you're trying to say?
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 13, 2021 22:57:52 GMT
If I understand you correctly, dialogue in the past was more straightforward and simplistic. The dialogue of today is lengthier and feels like you're being spoonfed information. Is this what you're trying to say? Spoonfed information is right-but there is also a reduction in emotional response. People don't get as emotional, angry, passionate, etc. and that also changes dialogue.
That Robocop example--the original could be turned into the modern version by changing the lines to be:
Lewis: "You need to care about your wife and son."
Robocop: "Yeah, I want to. What happened to them?"
Lewis: "Well, a person is hurt by the loss of a close friend. She moved away and started over."
Robocop: "I can't remember them but I feel them and it bothers me so please leave me alone."
There, turned to shit in a few phrase changes.
The Nolan Batman movies do the spoonfeeding something awful.
So that scene in the Dark Knight where the prison guard is looking afraid and that big convict gives him a lecture on what he should do before he takes it and throws it out the window. That could have been communicated with very little dialogue. They look at each other, the convict grabs the device and just tosses it out. It could have been communicated almost entirely by expressions on the face.
I think that convict was too articulate for the scene.
Inception has an awful awful scene where Michael Caine tells DiCap "you are here to ask me for one of my students."
None of that: "hey, haven't seen you in a while. So what brings you here?"
And if it's not exposition in dialogue, then it's sarcastic bs that kills any suspense generated.
Marvel movies do that all the time.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 13, 2021 22:58:48 GMT
Just as a side note--movie posters.
Every fucking movie poster these days shows someone staring off to the viewer or the side, and no expression, and no emotion.
That is like a Lenin poster.
It's really weird.
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Post by stefancrosscoe on Jul 14, 2021 12:34:51 GMT
1987. I don't hate the 2014 movie but it's very bland and should had been an R at least. 1987 is one of the finest action/sci-fi movies of the 80s, and no real contest there. However, I did not hate the remake, even upon hearing and reading all these terrible reviews, naming it "Rubbercop" and all, still I did rate it with, most likely a too kind 6/10. Of course, I threw it out, or gave it away, just a few days later. Not something I would ever keep in my collection, nor re-watch. But if I had to see it once again, I guess it might very likely go downwards to a 5/10. I still hear fans rant about the potential of Peter Weller returning, and Verhoeven coming back to direct, but I guess those chances are not very likely. Anyway: Original - 10/10Remake - 6/10
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