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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2021 17:27:59 GMT
So in other words, you're creating an imaginary scenario where Gunn specifically names my own child in one of his jokes when in reality he's never named any child in his jokes. Is that about correct? Would you then agree that you're clearly exaggerating the situation here to make him look worse than he is? And again, do you think me liking 1 movie out of his 17 movies makes me a fan? Funny how you've been avoiding that question. No, because he did talk sexually of an unknown child and how aroused he felt. I'm not exaggerating anything. Look at that, again avoiding my question about whether liking 1 movie out of 17 makes somebody a fan. Maybe you have trouble focusing on more than just one topic, so I'll focus on that for now.
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Post by Lux on Aug 13, 2021 17:35:27 GMT
No, because he did talk sexually of an unknown child and how aroused he felt. I'm not exaggerating anything. Look at that, again avoiding my question about whether liking 1 movie out of 17 makes somebody a fan. Maybe you have trouble focusing on more than just one topic, so I'll focus on that for now. There have been two guardians movies not one learn to count of which he is mostly known for still making you a fan not a fanatic, yet.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2021 17:47:52 GMT
Look at that, again avoiding my question about whether liking 1 movie out of 17 makes somebody a fan. Maybe you have trouble focusing on more than just one topic, so I'll focus on that for now. There have been two guardians movies not one learn to count of which he is mostly known for still making you a fan not a fanatic, yet. And I never said I liked both movies. I said I liked GOTG, not GOTG2. Maybe learn to read better next time? Besides, even if you assumed I liked both, that's still just 2 movies out of 17. Is that your definition of what makes someone a fan?
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Post by Lux on Aug 13, 2021 17:49:19 GMT
There have been two guardians movies not one learn to count of which he is mostly known for still making you a fan not a fanatic, yet. And I never said I liked both movies. I said I liked GOTG, not GOTG2. Maybe learn to read better next time? Besides, even if you assumed I liked both, that's still just 2 movies out of 17. Is that your definition of what makes someone a fan? I've got you saying you're not a fan and almost 3 pages saying different.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2021 17:57:54 GMT
And I never said I liked both movies. I said I liked GOTG, not GOTG2. Maybe learn to read better next time? Besides, even if you assumed I liked both, that's still just 2 movies out of 17. Is that your definition of what makes someone a fan? I've got you saying you're not a fan and almost 3 pages saying different. And can you please quote me on what I said that clearly shows me being a fan?
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Post by Lux on Aug 13, 2021 18:10:18 GMT
I've got you saying you're not a fan and almost 3 pages saying different. And can you please quote me on what I said that clearly shows me being a fan? This entire discussion and the trivializing of Gunn's comments. I don't know about you, but I don't usually defend anyone especially if they've made disgusting pedophile jokes that I don't like or even if I did like him. You clearly like him, have a fondness for him, have made similar jokes or like Suicide Squad 2 a little too much.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2021 18:14:29 GMT
And can you please quote me on what I said that clearly shows me being a fan? This entire discussion and the trivializing of Gunn's comments. I don't know about you, but I don't usually defend anyone especially if they've made disgusting pedophile jokes that I don't like or even if I did like him. You clearly like him, have a fondness for him, have made similar jokes or like Suicide Squad 2 a little too much. Have made similar jokes? Are you accusing me of making pedo jokes? That's a very serious accusation, and I'd be very careful of my words if I were you. And no, me trying to defend someone being wrongly accused of something does not mean I necessarily like the person, nevermind being a fan.
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Post by Lux on Aug 13, 2021 18:24:19 GMT
This entire discussion and the trivializing of Gunn's comments. I don't know about you, but I don't usually defend anyone especially if they've made disgusting pedophile jokes that I don't like or even if I did like him. You clearly like him, have a fondness for him, have made similar jokes or like Suicide Squad 2 a little too much. Have made similar jokes? Are you accusing me of making pedo jokes? That's a very serious accusation, and I'd be very careful of my words if I were you. And no, me trying to defend someone being wrongly accused of something does not mean I necessarily like the person, nevermind being a fan. I haven't wrongly accused anyone I said I wouldn't bet my pension on Gunn not either being a pedophile or him not being open to the idea. That's my opinion not an accusation. I enjoyed Suicide Squad 2 but an opinion is still an opinion.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2021 18:41:29 GMT
Have made similar jokes? Are you accusing me of making pedo jokes? That's a very serious accusation, and I'd be very careful of my words if I were you. And no, me trying to defend someone being wrongly accused of something does not mean I necessarily like the person, nevermind being a fan. I haven't wrongly accused anyone I said I wouldn't bet my pension on Gunn not either being a pedophile or him not being open to the idea. That's my opinion not an accusation. I enjoyed Suicide Squad 2 but an opinion is still an opinion. And I'm simply pointing out that making pedo jokes is not the same thing as someone actually being a pedo.
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Post by Lux on Aug 13, 2021 18:47:59 GMT
I haven't wrongly accused anyone I said I wouldn't bet my pension on Gunn not either being a pedophile or him not being open to the idea. That's my opinion not an accusation. I enjoyed Suicide Squad 2 but an opinion is still an opinion. And I'm simply pointing out that making pedo jokes is not the same thing as someone actually being a pedo. You're simply pointing out that you think you can read James Gunn's mind which you can't.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2021 18:59:06 GMT
And I'm simply pointing out that making pedo jokes is not the same thing as someone actually being a pedo. You're simply pointing out that you think you can read James Gunn's mind which you can't. No, I'm saying in the absence of actual factual evidence, as person is assumed innocent, not guilty. So unless there's proof that Gunn is an actual pedophile, then I will not consider him as such. I will consider him as someone with questionably bad taste and a pretty dark, disturbing sense of humor, because that's all he has shown so far.
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Post by Lux on Aug 13, 2021 19:09:23 GMT
You're simply pointing out that you think you can read James Gunn's mind which you can't. No, I'm saying in the absence of actual factual evidence, as person is assumed innocent, not guilty. So unless there's proof that Gunn is an actual pedophile, then I will not consider him as such. I will consider him as someone with questionably bad taste and a pretty dark, disturbing sense of humor, because that's all he has shown so far. I never said he was a pedophile I said he is leaning towards being sympathetic or open to the idea, I provided options. Also, pedophile jokes would be someone making fun of pedophiles that's what an edgelord would do, not joking about being aroused by pedophile bait that's completely different. I think that's what you and others are confused about on this thread.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Aug 13, 2021 19:13:12 GMT
Why would a real pedophile post pedo comments/jokes on the Internet for all to see? I think a real pedo would be too afraid of being investigated.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2021 19:29:12 GMT
No, I'm saying in the absence of actual factual evidence, as person is assumed innocent, not guilty. So unless there's proof that Gunn is an actual pedophile, then I will not consider him as such. I will consider him as someone with questionably bad taste and a pretty dark, disturbing sense of humor, because that's all he has shown so far. I never said he was a pedophile I said he is leaning towards being sympathetic or open to the idea, I provided options. Also, pedophile jokes would be someone making fun of pedophiles that's what an edgelord would do, not joking about being aroused by pedophile bait that's completely different. I think that's what you and others are confused about on this thread. Ok so what you're telling me is that you are not accusing him of being an outright pedophile but you are accusing him of being a pedo-apologist for lack of a better term (in your own words, someone who is sympathetic to the idea). I still disagree. I think that's a pretty big leap to make based only on jokes the guy makes. I also don't think you actually understand what an "edgelord" is. Making jokes to denigrate pedophiles is not actually that edgy.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 13, 2021 19:37:58 GMT
It's old news, and it was old news when they came into light. With that said what he wrote was really in poor taste to begin with and doing it on repeat wasn't a good look, especially in light of recent years where he had changed his mindset to be more holier than thou and criticize the inappropriate behavior of others, in particular those leaning more to the right politically. I would say a large part of the outrage concerning his old tweets were from those who questioned Hollywood business practices where if somebody who leans left can say pretty vile things on occasion but not lose any work while others who might lean right say things equally as bad or less but in the same stratosphere of poor taste are let go and blacklisted from the industry altogether. At the time, Roseanne Barr's sitcom was back on ABC and it did pretty stellar in the ratings and another season was greenlit, then in late May she made a comment directed at Valerie Jarrett which was meant to criticize her policies but was taken as racially motivated and she was instantly fired from her own series(it transformed into The Connors which is still going on) and despite an effort to try and apologize publicly wasn't allowed to do so. The mainstream media, which is mostly left leaning, and artists of the same field of business spoke very negatively about Roseanne Barr and were perfectly fine when Samantha Bea made an equally bad comment about Ivanka Trump on her own series(She did apologize, but didn't really lose anything from it), there were a few people who defended Roseanne Barr, such as Jimmy Kimmel, but not to such lengths where they were asking for her to be reinstated or said they would walk off their programs if ABC didn't change their minds. James Gunn was pretty ruthless on Roseanne Barr's firing, and his anti-Trump rhetoric got to where somebody with too much free time went looking into his past history and well you know the story - outrage happened, he got fired, but soon was hired by Warner Bros. to make a DC movie, and nearly a year later was rehired by Disney. I would say Gunn's rehiring is a combination of common sense(realizing those statements were very long ago and that he has no criminal history and that he has great talent as a filmmaker and general storyteller), that it would've been best for the property and for the fans, and, well, because his line of thinking is what Hollywood likes to see regularly - Pretty hard to say there is no bias whatsoever in the industry when you have people like Billy Eichner say some pretty condemning things about a portion of the consumer base for his work but are in no risk of losing any work but other people who are on the opposite side of the political aisle say less worse and lose work and are dumped by their talent representatives. Not to say that I am upset by Gunn's hiring for DC and rehiring by Marvel, I think those were the right decisions to make, I'm just talking about the bias in the industry.
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Post by Lux on Aug 13, 2021 19:43:59 GMT
I never said he was a pedophile I said he is leaning towards being sympathetic or open to the idea, I provided options. Also, pedophile jokes would be someone making fun of pedophiles that's what an edgelord would do, not joking about being aroused by pedophile bait that's completely different. I think that's what you and others are confused about on this thread. Ok so what you're telling me is that you are not accusing him of being an outright pedophile but you are accusing him of being a pedo-apologist for lack of a better term (in your own words, someone who is sympathetic to the idea). I still disagree. I think that's a pretty big leap to make based only on jokes the guy makes. I also don't think you actually understand what an "edgelord" is. Making jokes to denigrate pedophiles is not actually that edgy. I'm on a politics forum and on various other forums online I know edgelords, maybe it's the moderaters on those other forums that do a good job with any pedo jokes that may arise. An edgelord making fun of pedophiles and their victims is edgy. I don't find being horny over toddlers "edgy" like you proudly do. It's not much of a leap and also him publicizing on Twitter that joke doesn't make any difference because he hasn't supposedly committed a crime that we know of and I'm not saying he has, for now.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2021 20:02:20 GMT
Ok so what you're telling me is that you are not accusing him of being an outright pedophile but you are accusing him of being a pedo-apologist for lack of a better term (in your own words, someone who is sympathetic to the idea). I still disagree. I think that's a pretty big leap to make based only on jokes the guy makes. I also don't think you actually understand what an "edgelord" is. Making jokes to denigrate pedophiles is not actually that edgy. I'm on a politics forum and on various other forums online I know edgelords, maybe it's the moderaters on those other forums that do a good job with any pedo jokes that may arise. An edgelord making fun of pedophiles and their victims is edgy. I don't find being horny over toddlers "edgy" like you proudly do. It's not much of a leap and also him publicizing on Twitter that joke doesn't make any difference because he hasn't supposedly committed a crime that we know of and I'm not saying he has, for now. See, the fact that you keep resorting to backhanded ad hominem attacks like these are what really weakens your argument. It's like it's impossible for you to have a civilized debate. Hard for someone to criticize a person for tasteless jokes when they themselves can't seem to help themselves from repeatedly insulting people unprovoked.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 13, 2021 20:34:30 GMT
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Post by Cat on Aug 13, 2021 20:40:43 GMT
They were never important. Just moral panic, cancel culture crap that aged like fine mold.
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Post by Lux on Aug 13, 2021 20:45:42 GMT
You had to ruin Skaathar's day. I'm shocked by this story shocked.
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