basmaticathury
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Post by basmaticathury on Aug 26, 2021 18:24:51 GMT
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Post by MCDemuth on Aug 26, 2021 18:47:59 GMT
And some people say that it sucks living in the USA...
Feel free to leave and live elsewhere...
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Post by drystyx on Aug 26, 2021 20:44:21 GMT
It boggles the mind at how mindless and unprovoked such an act is, and how it is almost the "norm", not the exception.
There's no way to blame "Religion" for unprovoked and unmotivated hate. It has to come from a purely sadistic, demon possessed heart. There's no way to explain it naturally.
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2021 22:32:52 GMT
There's no way to blame "Religion" for unprovoked and unmotivated hate. It has to come from a purely sadistic, demon possessed heart. There's no way to explain it naturally. That’s what religion does to people. And another battle begins. Who started this one?
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Aug 26, 2021 22:38:04 GMT
That’s what religion does to people. No, that is what one specific religion does to people.
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2021 22:53:17 GMT
And another battle begins. Who started this one? Some guy about six thousand years ago. And I’m not interested in a battle over the subject. If you can’t figure it out, I’m not going to explain it to you any further. Believe what you want. In the end you’ll be as dead as the rest of us. Done. Bye. I'm sorry to have triggered you. I can assure you it wasn't my intention, but I should know better by now.
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2021 22:53:32 GMT
That’s what religion does to people. No, that is what on specific religion does to people. What did it do to you?
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2021 23:08:10 GMT
I'm sorry to have triggered you. I can assure you it wasn't my intention, but I should know better by now. Fine. I’m tired of the inevitable argument: but that’s Islam, Christianity isn’t yadda yadda. All religion does this, not because of specific teachings about being good, but because religion gives morally unstable people the excuse to do the very evil they claim to be against. The correct answer is you, Paul. You're the one who started it. And now you're trying to end something that never even began. Set 'em up and burn 'em down! Religion doesn't do anything. Bye?
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2021 23:32:31 GMT
The correct answer is you, Paul. You're the one who started it. And now you're trying to end something that never even began. Set 'em up and burn 'em down! Religion doesn't do anything. Bye? How dare you. Don’t make this about me. Wanna talk about hypocrisy instead? People do that, and I speak out against them all the time. Wait, what's a "real Christian"? When someone gets shot, do you blame the gun?
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2021 23:41:06 GMT
Wanna talk about hypocrisy instead? People do that, and I speak out against them all the time. Wait, what's a "real Christian"? When someone gets shot, do you blame the gun? You tell me what a real Christian is. I'm asking what you meant when you said it because I don't know. Don't you?
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Post by Admin on Aug 26, 2021 23:55:43 GMT
I'm asking what you meant when you said it because I don't know. Don't you? Is that a real question? Sounds like lyrics from a Cheap Trick B-side. Somebody wants to start a fight. Not today, Jack. Yes, Paul, it's a real question.
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 0:04:54 GMT
Yes, Paul, it's a real question.  Is that about you? I'll try again...
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 0:05:24 GMT
Plenty of queers and other “unclean sinners” have been murdered by so-called Christians in this nation and I never heard the real Christians coming speaking out against it. What's a real Christian?
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 0:19:05 GMT
Like the lamps? If you don't know what you meant, just say so. Jeez.
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 0:41:30 GMT
Like the lamps? If you don't know what you meant, just say so. Jeez. Jesus recounts in detail what he wanted his followers to be. He never called them Christians. It’s all in the New Testament. Beyond that are other people’s ideas. Good to know. So what's a real Christian?
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 0:57:44 GMT
Good to know. So what's a real Christian? Seriously: a real Christian (and I use the term Jesus never coined) is the person who sees every individual as if he were Jesus, because he or she or they just might be. Jesus himself said no less. Yes or no? If that's what you meant when you said real Christians don't speak out against the so-called Christians who murder queers and other "unclean sinners," then I'm guessing the answer is yes, that is what you meant. But if there are no real Christians, who are you speaking out against? And what about that gun?
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 1:43:55 GMT
If that's what you meant when you said real Christians don't speak out against the so-called Christians who murder queers and other "unclean sinners," then I'm guessing the answer is yes, that is what you meant. But if there are no real Christians, who are you speaking out against? And what about that gun? I speak against hypocrisy. Jesus didn’t expect there to be any Christians either. He was about the Kingdom of God and he gave instructions how to build it starting from the ground up, not from the top down, which is what religion is. He already had his tribal religion, which was some version of 1st century Judaism practiced in the cosmopolitan region of Galilee. And if you want to have a conversation, let’s do so and stop with the bullshit. Stop trying to blame me for the bullshit you keep interjecting. I'm just trying to understand something you said. You may be speaking against hypocrisy now, but I'm asking about when you were speaking against those "real Christians" who don't denounce the "so-called Christians." I'm not sure why you insist on making this so complicated, but it seems to me that if real Christians don't exist (and I'm not saying they do), then perhaps that's why they stay silent. What do you think? Let me guess... You think this isn't a conversation?
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 3:16:25 GMT
Stop trying to blame me for the bullshit you keep interjecting. I'm just trying to understand something you said. You may be speaking against hypocrisy now, but I'm asking about when you were speaking against those "real Christians" who don't denounce the "so-called Christians." I'm not sure why you insist on making this so complicated, but it seems to me that if real Christians don't exist (and I'm not saying they do), then perhaps that's why they stay silent. What do you think? Let me guess... You think this isn't a conversation? I daresay what I consider a “real Christian” probably is not even necessarily a Christian, that is a baptized member of any number of sects who employee the OT/NT Bible as their sacred text. Based on the criteria found in the gospels attributed to Jesus of Nazareth, there were no Christians at that time. There was no New Testament. There was no Old Testament as we read it today. The Kingdom of God movement was not exclusive to Jesus, but his preaching it caught on. It’s unknown just how popular he was during his lifetime, but considering how rapid a cult surrounded him, he probably was making waves. He undoubtedly was executed by Rome as were most, what they saw as, seditionists. By the time Paul of Tarsus, an anti-Jesus cult operative for Sanhedrin, had a heat stroke and believed he had an encounter with the renegade Jew he hated and he became Jesus’ biggest promoter. So, Jesus’ “church” was sect of 1st century messianic Jews, one of many, but which had one of the best writers in at the time in the world as his loudest preacher. Therefore, the origins of a religion that soon after turned into many sects (most extinct now) of Christianity must be seen in that context if you want to understand what I meant. I understand you when you say Jesus didn't coin the term and that Christianity's true form is lost forever if it ever existed at all, so you don't have to explain it again, let alone in even more detail. If a "real Christian" probably isn't even a Christian at all (no doubt due to the absence of "real Christianity"), then what separates a "real Christian" from a "so-called Christian"? I'm sure you do. Web-weaving is hard work.
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2021 14:24:32 GMT
I understand you when you say Jesus didn't coin the term and that Christianity's true form is lost forever if it ever existed at all, so you don't have to explain it again, let alone in even more detail. If a "real Christian" probably isn't even a Christian at all (no doubt due to the absence of "real Christianity"), then what separates a "real Christian" from a "so-called Christian"? I'm sure you do. Web-weaving is hard work. I should feel free to express myself. Therefore, I'll write as much or as little or repeat myself as necessary, if you don't mind. You are free to do the same and can skip ahead if it bores you. A "real" Christian, in my opinion, is someone who probably exists only in rarity due to human ego, but one who does execute Christ's action plan to "love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, feed the hunger, visit the imprisoned, bury the dead, give comfort the the weary travelers, etc...you know. It's in the Bible. "So-called" is an adverb that denotes "false." Did I say something to make you think you are not free to express yourself? Ok, so the difference between real and so-called Christians is that one is real and one is fake. How enlightening. Thanks. |
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Post by drystyx on Aug 27, 2021 15:38:31 GMT
Did I say something to make you think you are not free to express yourself? Ok, so the difference between real and so-called Christians is that one is real and one is fake. How enlightening. Thanks. Then do not ask me anymore questions if you don’t want detail. Neither are real. Christianity, like all religions, is a false consciousness inside a spiritual club house. However, there are people who actually do the hard work Jesus, a 1st century, one of many messiahs. And some do not hold a Christian membership. Those folks can rightly call themselves Christians. The CHRISTIANS, generally do not follow Jesus. Are you a Southern Baptist? I think I see what you mean by "people who actually do the hard work". It's been a "by product" of the TV evangelist crowd, which isn't much of a generalization. The "lazy" attitude being preached that prevents people from doing the hard work, is the false prophet message that we can just go out and rob someone till he's homeless, then confess our sin, cry crocodile tears, and do it again, because Jesus died for our sins, man. Yeah, that's all we got to do, man, is just accept Jesus, man, and like, he died for our sins, man, so I'm not guilty, man. That is actually being preached, no matter what the lying prophets claim. But it's not preached by most evangelists. Just the ones who get the money. The real truth about "repenting" and being cleansed in the blood of Jesus is "hard work", and most seminary grads will preach it that way. The original word which we interpret as "repent" is actually more like "relent" than what we think of it today. I don't know what century the word "repent" made its drastic change to mean "crocodile tears", but that's what it changed into. Well, you can see for yourself where all of this is heading. Jesus had a lot to say about this. But the end result does lead to cynicism about Christianity, because false prophets don't teach the truth. It's no wonder that most people out there believe all Pol Pot had to do on his deathbed was say, "oh, and I accept Jesus now. Ha! I'm clean!" That is the modern "repent", but not the original "repent". True, we hear mostly TV and radio frauds preaching the "lazy" false road. I'm not saying the road to Jesus is even that difficult. Just that it isn't the lazy lazy road you don't even have to walk. It's still walking on the escalator or walking next to the moving sidewalk. No one "carries" us. We hear mostly those frauds, but I don't think they're even close to a plurality. They're just the loudest, and they're given the most air time. Why? Because the prince of this world speaks to human hearts constantly.
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