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Post by shannondegroot on Sept 1, 2021 2:28:41 GMT
Probably.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 1, 2021 3:11:39 GMT
Logically, we're still in the material world for those last seconds, since there's no reason to think that those last seconds deprive us of the five senses we read the meter of, nor create a new sense to read a meter of. The nervous system is the data and the brain the meter. We're still reading that meter until that meter is gone.
After that meter is gone, I'm not sure the "meter reader" has the memory intact. It's reasonable to believe that the meter reader has somewhat evolved, though, depending on the experience. If one lives long enough as a human, his "experience" should make one recognize the good God from the evil principality or principalities.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 1, 2021 7:44:01 GMT
My guess is no.
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Post by rizdek on Sept 1, 2021 20:26:54 GMT
I'm sure some do...but those people aren't here to post about it.
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Post by rizdek on Sept 2, 2021 15:06:38 GMT
It isn't so much believing IN God as it is what one believes ABOUT God. I could believe IN God...the God that makes the sun shine...there actually IS sunshine, so there is material evidence for such a god. Would that help me if I face God the Father who sent his only begotten son to be a sacrifice and to atone for my sins or Allah who wanted me to venerate Mohammad and pray to him x number of times per day while facing Mecca?
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Post by mikef6 on Sept 2, 2021 15:48:58 GMT
How can anyone know? We can make our own guesses based on personal beliefs and prejudices but it can never be discovered. If death is the undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveler returns, so are the last seconds of our lives.
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 2, 2021 16:05:53 GMT
as much as a promissory note revolving around eternal life is ever so enticing. and the crying out to a higher power whether during death or multiple orgasm is ever so dramatic. the only rational answer to your question is: no.
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Post by Jonesy1 on Sept 2, 2021 16:24:00 GMT
W C Fields did.
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Post by Stammerhead on Sept 2, 2021 20:42:57 GMT
I’ll let you know when I get there.  |
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Post by theauxphou on Sept 4, 2021 21:52:28 GMT
If you were plummeting to the ground from a great height you probably would be, but only out of pure desperation, which I could well understand.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Sept 4, 2021 22:15:06 GMT
I don't.
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Sept 4, 2021 22:42:25 GMT
No.
My dad didn't. He said he was looking forward to it all being over and for everything to disappear. He was a life long atheist. Never once mentioned God - no matter how close to the end it was.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 5, 2021 1:48:11 GMT
Based on my experience I would say no.
I was hit by a semi and flung into traffic on the highway while it was raining. I thought this was the end and no thought of God came into my mind at all. It was one of those moments where it felt like time was slowing down, so I still had a moment to think that I was about to die. What happened was a feeling of relief more than fear. There was nothing I could do but accept what was about to happen.
This is a bit different than what you are asking, because I didn't actually die. The answer to the question you are asking can't be answered. It is unknown, but there is no reason to believe that it is the case that we all believe in God in the last seconds of our lives.
The thing is, even if there was a way to show that everyone believes in God in the last moments of their life, that is still separate from if there actually is a God. The former wouldn't be proof of the latter.
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Post by shadrack on Sept 5, 2021 9:35:17 GMT
Definitely not. Some people, sure. But definitely not everyone.
Even if you assume all atheists have a change of heart when faced with their imminent death, there would still be exceptions.
Think about atheists who die in their sleep or so suddenly that their brains don't have time to process the fact that they're about to die. They can't change their minds in their final seconds because they literally don't have time.
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Post by lunda2222 on Sept 5, 2021 14:36:17 GMT
Probably not.
Most people are unconscious during the last seconds of their lives, unable to believe anything.
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Post by Isapop on Sept 6, 2021 16:48:37 GMT
So you guess that atheists and agnostics mostly and suddenly believe in God in their last conscious moments.
What in the world makes you think so?
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Post by NJtoTX on Sept 10, 2021 13:18:10 GMT
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 10, 2021 17:28:08 GMT
Agreed. My husband did a 'deathbed confession' a few days before he went into a coma, but I believe he did it because he was saying goodbye to lifelong friends who were deeply religious, and he didn't want them to fret over him going to hell. He never mentioned any change in belief system to me (we were both atheists), and if it had been a genuine 'conversion', I think he would have mentioned that to me. His friends told my parents about his 'confession', so they didn't worry, either. Years later, my father was close to death, non-verbal but might have been able to hear and process information. One of his religious friends said that he was afraid to die because I wasn't saved, he had failed in bringing me back into the fold. So I lied. I told him that I had had a little talk with Jesus, and wherever Dad was going, that's where I would be going, too. He died a few days later. Who knows? It might be a knee-jerk fear reaction of what is to happen after death, a way to comfort survivors, or our genetic predisposition to believing in living entities that we cannot see. Religious beliefs cause more angst than comfort, in my opinion.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 10, 2021 21:26:05 GMT
Agreed. My husband did a 'deathbed confession' a few days before he went into a coma, but I believe he did it because he was saying goodbye to lifelong friends who were deeply religious, and he didn't want them to fret over him going to hell. He never mentioned any change in belief system to me (we were both atheists), and if it had been a genuine 'conversion', I think he would have mentioned that to me. His friends told my parents about his 'confession', so they didn't worry, either. Years later, my father was close to death, non-verbal but might have been able to hear and process information. One of his religious friends said that he was afraid to die because I wasn't saved, he had failed in bringing me back into the fold. So I lied. I told him that I had had a little talk with Jesus, and wherever Dad was going, that's where I would be going, too. He died a few days later. Who knows? It might be a knee-jerk fear reaction of what is to happen after death, a way to comfort survivors, or our genetic predisposition to believing in living entities that we cannot see. Religious beliefs cause more angst than comfort, in my opinion. Christianity puts everything on being saved from Hell by Jesus’ sacrifice. But it is split multiple ways on how the individual achieves this salvation. In Catholic, Orthodox, and slightly separated Protestants, it is via the Church. In Calvinism, it’s predetermined, but a prosperous Christian life at least hint you might be saved. In Evangelical churches, it’s expressed belief in the assurance of salvation. So, which one is correct? The outward religion itself is so about Jesus coming to earth to save human souls from a horrific Hell, which is a mental terror for many as they lay dying, that it cannot prove exists; or even agree on what it is; or the correct method to stay out of Hell. Which reminds me of a quote... Edit: my source... The Atheist Bible is a book of quotes from athiests, doubters, and what appears to also be deists and theists expressing issues with organized religion. The Atheist Bible is similar to The Quotable Atheist, except it is organized into sections parodying bible sections. The Atheist's Bible: An Illustrious Collection of ... www.goodreads.com/book/show/769787.The_Atheist_s_Bible
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Post by monicah on Sept 13, 2021 17:32:02 GMT
So you guess that atheists and agnostics mostly and suddenly believe in God in their last conscious moments. What in the world makes you think so? Maybe the fear of the after life? Idk it’s hard to know what your last thoughts might be. |
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