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Post by politicidal on Sept 9, 2021 13:38:22 GMT
It’s not quite the same thing as theme park rides. TEXT: “…No, they are cinema. So is that cat video on YouTube, it’s cinema. It is kind of surprising that what we used to regard as adolescent entertainment, comic books for teenagers, has become the dominant genre economically. Each generation is informed, and informed by literature, or informed by theater, or informed by live television, or informed by film school. Now we have a generation that's been informed by video games and manga. It’s not that the filmmakers have changed, it's that the audiences have changed. And when the audiences don't want serious movies, it's very, very hard to make one. When they do, when they ask you, "What should I think about women's lib, gay rights, racial situations, economic inequality?" and the audience is interested in hearing about these issues, well then you can make those movies. And we have. Particularly in the fifties, and sixties, and seventies, we're making them one or two a week about social issues. And they were financially successful because audiences wanted them. Then something changed in the culture, the center dropped out. Those movies are still being made, but they're not in the center of the conversation anymore.“ Schrader continues his Marvel argument by explaining this center that supported cinema in the mid-20th century has dropped out "all across the board" in today's culture, making "people retreat to the periphery." He suggests individuals have formed their own worlds, such as "Comic-Con world" or one based on any other form of interest or fandom, and "it's very hard to bring those people together again." In other words, social issue-driven movies that speak to a mass audience are harder to make today because audiences are so informed by the sub-culture of their own niche that there is hardly a shared center for filmmakers to target. screenrant.com/martin-scorsese-marvel-movie-criticism-paul-schrader-response/
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Post by amyghost on Sept 9, 2021 14:27:23 GMT
It’s not quite the same thing as theme park rides. TEXT: “…No, they are cinema. So is that cat video on YouTube, it’s cinema. It is kind of surprising that what we used to regard as adolescent entertainment, comic books for teenagers, has become the dominant genre economically. Each generation is informed, and informed by literature, or informed by theater, or informed by live television, or informed by film school. Now we have a generation that's been informed by video games and manga. It’s not that the filmmakers have changed, it's that the audiences have changed. And when the audiences don't want serious movies, it's very, very hard to make one. When they do, when they ask you, "What should I think about women's lib, gay rights, racial situations, economic inequality?" and the audience is interested in hearing about these issues, well then you can make those movies. And we have. Particularly in the fifties, and sixties, and seventies, we're making them one or two a week about social issues. And they were financially successful because audiences wanted them. Then something changed in the culture, the center dropped out. Those movies are still being made, but they're not in the center of the conversation anymore.“ Schrader continues his Marvel argument by explaining this center that supported cinema in the mid-20th century has dropped out "all across the board" in today's culture, making "people retreat to the periphery." He suggests individuals have formed their own worlds, such as "Comic-Con world" or one based on any other form of interest or fandom, and "it's very hard to bring those people together again." In other words, social issue-driven movies that speak to a mass audience are harder to make today because audiences are so informed by the sub-culture of their own niche that there is hardly a shared center for filmmakers to target. screenrant.com/martin-scorsese-marvel-movie-criticism-paul-schrader-response/If he's correct (and I won't particularly argue that he isn't), that's rather a horrible thought. I suspect that politically speaking it could be quite useful, though.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 9, 2021 16:35:21 GMT
It’s not quite the same thing as theme park rides. TEXT: “…No, they are cinema. So is that cat video on YouTube, it’s cinema. It is kind of surprising that what we used to regard as adolescent entertainment, comic books for teenagers, has become the dominant genre economically. Each generation is informed, and informed by literature, or informed by theater, or informed by live television, or informed by film school. Now we have a generation that's been informed by video games and manga. It’s not that the filmmakers have changed, it's that the audiences have changed. And when the audiences don't want serious movies, it's very, very hard to make one. When they do, when they ask you, "What should I think about women's lib, gay rights, racial situations, economic inequality?" and the audience is interested in hearing about these issues, well then you can make those movies. And we have. Particularly in the fifties, and sixties, and seventies, we're making them one or two a week about social issues. And they were financially successful because audiences wanted them. Then something changed in the culture, the center dropped out. Those movies are still being made, but they're not in the center of the conversation anymore.“ Schrader continues his Marvel argument by explaining this center that supported cinema in the mid-20th century has dropped out "all across the board" in today's culture, making "people retreat to the periphery." He suggests individuals have formed their own worlds, such as "Comic-Con world" or one based on any other form of interest or fandom, and "it's very hard to bring those people together again." In other words, social issue-driven movies that speak to a mass audience are harder to make today because audiences are so informed by the sub-culture of their own niche that there is hardly a shared center for filmmakers to target. screenrant.com/martin-scorsese-marvel-movie-criticism-paul-schrader-response/It's amazing how these guys are able to ignore the obvious. Nobody wants to pay cinema prices for anything less than a blockbuster with all the trimmings. It's that simple. You can watch the Oscar bait at home and have the same experience. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, myself included, and probably many of you reading this. But general audiences are shrinking because people aren't going to bother going to the theater if they don't have to. An audiovisual extravaganza is the only real drawing card these days. Yes, audiences have changed; because the access to media has changed. It's incredible that so many people who have been around the industry for decades don't understand this. "Well, this generation grew up reading comic books, so there you go." As if comic books didn't exist for the last 90 years.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2021 18:54:49 GMT
I can’t believe we’re still talking about something Martin Scorsese said two years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 20:19:00 GMT
I don’t know why the blockbuster is constantly devalued and demeaned. I love comic book movies. I also love Citizen Kane. People who like adventure, superhero or fantasy stories are not intellectually or culturally bankrupt! The Ancient Greeks loved stories about heroes as well. Was their society intellectually hollow too? Not enough well made movies in Hollywood? Don’t blame the blockbusters. Instead blame the pretentious artsy yet artistically bankrupt Oscar bait movies because these movies are what have truly supplanted the great movies of old.
*mic drop*
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