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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 21:49:16 GMT
Again, I’m not an Atheist. I’m not here to push an agenda or cause hate and arguments.
One thing that bothers me is when kids get raped and murdered by a grown man.
I worked at a prison. I counseled a guy who told me after he raped a little girl, he put her in a hole under his basement and handed her her little stuffed bunny before he shut her in. She died in that hole after he boarded it up.
How does God let that happen.
I know theologically you’ll say “we were born in sin, so nobody is innocent. The rain falls on the just and unjust.” However, if God intervenes in some peoples lives in the Bible. Then why not in a situation like that?
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Post by clusium on Sept 19, 2021 21:58:09 GMT
Again, I’m not an Atheist. I’m not here to push an agenda or cause hate and arguments. One thing that bothers me is when kids get raped and murdered by a grown man. I worked at a prison. I counseled a guy who told me after he raped a little girl, he put her in a hole under his basement and handed her her little stuffed bunny before he shut her in. She died in that hole after he boarded it up. How does God let that happen. I know theologically you’ll say “we were born in sin, so nobody is innocent. The rain falls on the just and unjust.” However, if God intervenes in some peoples lives in the Bible. Then why not in a situation like that? God DID Intervene in that particular situation. As you said: The guy went to jail.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 22:03:28 GMT
Again, I’m not an Atheist. I’m not here to push an agenda or cause hate and arguments. One thing that bothers me is when kids get raped and murdered by a grown man. I worked at a prison. I counseled a guy who told me after he raped a little girl, he put her in a hole under his basement and handed her her little stuffed bunny before he shut her in. She died in that hole after he boarded it up. How does God let that happen. I know theologically you’ll say “we were born in sin, so nobody is innocent. The rain falls on the just and unjust.” However, if God intervenes in some peoples lives in the Bible. Then why not in a situation like that? God DID Intervene in that particular situation. As you said: The guy went to jail. But that didn’t stop her from suffering rape, dehydration, exhaustion, and starvation as she died in a hole alone. |
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Post by Sarge on Sept 19, 2021 22:23:19 GMT
In my hometown church, they would have said she was a sinner, or lacked faith. After that, they would say trust in god. But only your god can answer that question.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 19, 2021 23:13:39 GMT
God is not directly involved in the world, it never was. Miracles are wishful thinking.
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Post by Isapop on Sept 19, 2021 23:26:24 GMT
Again, I’m not an Atheist. I’m not here to push an agenda or cause hate and arguments. One thing that bothers me is when kids get raped and murdered by a grown man. I worked at a prison. I counseled a guy who told me after he raped a little girl, he put her in a hole under his basement and handed her her little stuffed bunny before he shut her in. She died in that hole after he boarded it up. How does God let that happen. I know theologically you’ll say “we were born in sin, so nobody is innocent. The rain falls on the just and unjust.” However, if God intervenes in some peoples lives in the Bible. Then why not in a situation like that? God DID Intervene in that particular situation. As you said: The guy went to jail. Is that how you would have intervened if you had God's powers?
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Post by captainbryce on Sept 20, 2021 2:40:01 GMT
Again, I’m not an Atheist. I’m not here to push an agenda or cause hate and arguments. One thing that bothers me is when kids get raped and murdered by a grown man. I worked at a prison. I counseled a guy who told me after he raped a little girl, he put her in a hole under his basement and handed her her little stuffed bunny before he shut her in. She died in that hole after he boarded it up. How does God let that happen. I know theologically you’ll say “we were born in sin, so nobody is innocent. The rain falls on the just and unjust.” However, if God intervenes in some peoples lives in the Bible. Then why not in a situation like that? Why do you think God would be compelled to act on behalf of rape victims? What part of your Bible suggests that God cares about people being raped enough to intervene in it?
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 20, 2021 9:34:35 GMT
God DID Intervene in that particular situation. As you said: The guy went to jail. Is that how you would have intervened if you had God's powers? Some humans would've intervened even without God's powers. It says a lot about God when humans without any divine powers are shown to be more useful and caring than the sort of God that would do nothing.
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 20, 2021 9:35:31 GMT
Again, I’m not an Atheist. I’m not here to push an agenda or cause hate and arguments. One thing that bothers me is when kids get raped and murdered by a grown man. I worked at a prison. I counseled a guy who told me after he raped a little girl, he put her in a hole under his basement and handed her her little stuffed bunny before he shut her in. She died in that hole after he boarded it up. How does God let that happen. I know theologically you’ll say “we were born in sin, so nobody is innocent. The rain falls on the just and unjust.” However, if God intervenes in some peoples lives in the Bible. Then why not in a situation like that? God DID Intervene in that particular situation. As you said: The guy went to jail. That only happened because humans have free will. Or this is another of those things where something good happens: God did it. Something bad happens: human free will.
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Post by Isapop on Sept 20, 2021 10:59:30 GMT
Why do you think God would be compelled to act on behalf of rape victims? What part of your Bible suggests that God cares about people being raped enough to intervene in it? He can't intervene or the whole concept of free will becomes null. Satan's plan was to force humans to obey. That was rejected by God. Hence you have evil. There is no way to have free will and to make humans responsible for their actions, and yet also have god intervene in our daily affairs.
Would you prefer a universe where you have no free will? With free will you also get the fact that children or anyone might face horrendous torture and death.
His question was, "What part of your Bible suggests that God cares about people being raped enough to intervene in it?"
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Post by novastar6 on Sept 20, 2021 12:04:37 GMT
The question is why do people CHOOSE to use the free will God gave them to do things like that? People always blame God, they forget people who do horrible things, CHOSE to do them, they were free to choose to do ANYTHING, and that's what they chose. People do not get automatically struck down for making the wrong choice, the Bible even says the evil will have it very good in this world, because it's the ONLY good time they're going to have, then an eternity of suffering and misery. To us 20-30-50 years sounds like eternity, try picturing 1,000 years.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 20, 2021 12:39:26 GMT
Everything concerning the whole Christoid conception of 'God' bothers me.
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Post by rizdek on Sept 20, 2021 12:41:30 GMT
Why do you think God would be compelled to act on behalf of rape victims? What part of your Bible suggests that God cares about people being raped enough to intervene in it? He can't intervene or the whole concept of free will becomes null. Satan's plan was to force humans to obey. That was rejected by God. Hence you have evil. There is no way to have free will and to make humans responsible for their actions, and yet also have god intervene in our daily affairs.
Would you prefer a universe where you have no free will? With free will you also get the fact that children or anyone might face horrendous torture and death.
I am not sure that follows. Human LE frequently stop crime before it happens...act on clues/hints to prevent it, or intervene during the process. Are THEY interfering with freewill? Or are they just intervening on behalf of the victim/society? I say they are NOT interfering with free will, the person exercised his free will to try to commit a crime. They merely thwarted the action not the will. And a God somehow extracting a victim out of that situation does nothing to the person's free will who chose to (try to) inflict this obscenity.
Furthermore if someone believes in a pleasant, sin free after life but WITH all occupants having moral free will, there must be a way for God to make that happen.
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Post by Isapop on Sept 20, 2021 12:55:21 GMT
The question is why do people CHOOSE to use the free will God gave them to do things like that? People always blame God, they forget people who do horrible things, CHOSE to do them, they were free to choose to do ANYTHING, and that's what they chose. People do not get automatically struck down for making the wrong choice, the Bible even says the evil will have it very good in this world, because it's the ONLY good time they're going to have, then an eternity of suffering and misery. To us 20-30-50 years sounds like eternity, try picturing 1,000 years. Tom, Dick, and Harry are together in a boat. Tom pushes Dick overboard, and Dick is going to drown. Harry is holding a life preserver. He could easily throw it to Dick, but doesn't. Tom committed the evil act, and will face his punishment. But, in your scheme of things, Harry is completely undeserving of any criticism.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 20, 2021 13:03:34 GMT
Again, I’m not an Atheist. I’m not here to push an agenda or cause hate and arguments. One thing that bothers me is when kids get raped and murdered by a grown man. I worked at a prison. I counseled a guy who told me after he raped a little girl, he put her in a hole under his basement and handed her her little stuffed bunny before he shut her in. She died in that hole after he boarded it up. How does God let that happen.
I know theologically you’ll say “we were born in sin, so nobody is innocent. The rain falls on the just and unjust.” However, if God intervenes in some peoples lives in the Bible. Then why not in a situation like that? Because God works in a mysterious way or God does not care, or God don`t exist. Or maybe the God you belive in is not actually the God that exist. The most likely answer is that God does not exist and that is why.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 20, 2021 13:04:43 GMT
Everything concerning the whole Christoid conception of 'God' bothers me. Yeah, i mean if there is actually a God, there is no reason to belive that God is as the Christians belive.
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Post by The Lost One on Sept 20, 2021 13:07:45 GMT
God is not directly involved in the world, it never was. Miracles are wishful thinking. For all intents and purposes, would you say your conception of the world is any different from an atheist's? |
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Post by rizdek on Sept 20, 2021 13:11:02 GMT
Again, I’m not an Atheist. I’m not here to push an agenda or cause hate and arguments. One thing that bothers me is when kids get raped and murdered by a grown man. I worked at a prison. I counseled a guy who told me after he raped a little girl, he put her in a hole under his basement and handed her her little stuffed bunny before he shut her in. She died in that hole after he boarded it up. How does God let that happen.
I know theologically you’ll say “we were born in sin, so nobody is innocent. The rain falls on the just and unjust.” However, if God intervenes in some peoples lives in the Bible. Then why not in a situation like that? Because God works in a mysterious way or God does not care, or God don`t exist. Or maybe the God you belive in is not actually the God that exist. The most likely answer is that God does not exist and that is why. I don't think God exists, but if one did, I'd have zero reason to think he/it would be concerned at all with humans. We might well be as significant to God as the slimy mold under a log in the middle of the woods is to us humans. Nothing more than a novelty or perhaps a pest to be destroyed if it gets in the way of his real interests/goals. Perhaps it doesn't care at all what we believe or how we live. Maybe God experiments with different arrangements of matter/energy to see how may black holes form in ten trillion years.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 20, 2021 13:18:57 GMT
Because God works in a mysterious way or God does not care, or God don`t exist. Or maybe the God you belive in is not actually the God that exist. The most likely answer is that God does not exist and that is why. I don't think God exists, but if one did, I'd have zero reason to think he/it would be concerned at all with humans. We might well be as significant to God as the slimy mold under a log in the middle of the woods is to us humans. Nothing more than a novelty or perhaps a pest to be destroyed if it gets in the way of his real interests/goals. Perhaps it doesn't care at all what we believe or how we live. Maybe God experiments with different arrangements of matter/energy to see how may black holes form in ten trillion years. That is honestly most likely the case, if there is a God. I don`t think there is-
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Post by rizdek on Sept 20, 2021 15:56:12 GMT
God is not directly involved in the world, it never was. Miracles are wishful thinking. Or they are on the order of Godly spasms or divine brain farts. They happen but there's absolutely no rhyme or reason. He doesn't even know when they're gonna materialize. We're just the happy benefactors or sorry victims.
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