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Post by dwightmachinehead on Oct 6, 2021 22:20:59 GMT
'Woke' is a recent concept. Not really. "Politically correct" (which was used in essentially the same pejorative sense) was used way back in the 1980s. Political correctness changes all the time. No one was talking about 'woke' 10 years ago. It's a distinct brand of political correctness. Or perhaps political correctness has become more extreme. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 6, 2021 22:41:16 GMT
Not really. "Politically correct" (which was used in essentially the same pejorative sense) was used way back in the 1980s. Political correctness changes all the time. No one was talking about 'woke' 10 years ago. It's a distinct brand of political correctness. Or perhaps political correctness has become more extreme. "Political correctness changes all the time." Dunno what you mean by that, if you mean what constitutes as "progressiveness" in general, well yeah, because that's how progressiveness works. Back in the 90s/early 2000s, having gay characters on TV was considered "progressive" and often objected to by reactionaries. Nowadays most (decent people) don't really seem to care because well, we kinda moved beyond that, or "progressed". "No one was talking about 'woke' 10 years ago" Well no, again because "woke" is just a repackaged term for terms that already existed (PC police, feminazi, SJW, etc). If the term existed back then, LGBT shows like Queer as Folk and Will and Grace would have been called "woke". Hell even something like The Sopranos would have been called "woke" (one of the seasons was centered on a closeted gay mobster). "It's a distinct brand of political correctness." No, it was used pretty much interchangeably. "Or perhaps political correctness has become more extreme." Or perhaps the people whining about LGBTers and diversity in media have just became louder and more obnoxious (Twitter kinda allows for that)
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 6, 2021 22:52:28 GMT
People have been saying that for decades. Every generation has a group that thinks PC has gone to far. The only difference is now they have a hashtag.
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Oct 6, 2021 22:59:16 GMT
Political correctness changes all the time. No one was talking about 'woke' 10 years ago. It's a distinct brand of political correctness. Or perhaps political correctness has become more extreme. "Political correctness changes all the time." Dunno what you mean by that, if you mean what constitutes as "progressiveness" in general, well yeah, because that's how progressiveness works. Back in the 90s/early 2000s, having gay characters on TV was considered "progressive" and often objected to by reactionaries. Nowadays most (decent people) don't really seem to care because well, we kinda moved beyond that, or "progressed". "No one was talking about 'woke' 10 years ago" Well no, again because "woke" is just a repackaged term for terms that already existed (PC police, feminazi, SJW, etc). If the term existed back then, LGBT shows like Queer as Folk and Will and Grace would have been called "woke". Hell even something like The Sopranos would have been called "woke" (one of the seasons was centered on a closeted gay mobster). "It's a distinct brand of political correctness." No, it was used pretty much interchangeably. "Or perhaps political correctness has become more extreme." Or perhaps the people whining about LGBTers and diversity in media have just became louder and more obnoxious (Twitter kinda allows for that) Political correctness is a projection. It's subjective. It changes all the time. Instead of woke movies, it should be what was the first political correct movie you bought. 'Woke' is too much of a loaded word, and the literal meaning of 'woke' is different from politically correct, it's a mutated word. It's not the same anymore. |
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Post by shannondegroot on Oct 6, 2021 23:03:25 GMT
Terminator (1984)
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 6, 2021 23:04:58 GMT
"Political correctness changes all the time." Dunno what you mean by that, if you mean what constitutes as "progressiveness" in general, well yeah, because that's how progressiveness works. Back in the 90s/early 2000s, having gay characters on TV was considered "progressive" and often objected to by reactionaries. Nowadays most (decent people) don't really seem to care because well, we kinda moved beyond that, or "progressed". "No one was talking about 'woke' 10 years ago" Well no, again because "woke" is just a repackaged term for terms that already existed (PC police, feminazi, SJW, etc). If the term existed back then, LGBT shows like Queer as Folk and Will and Grace would have been called "woke". Hell even something like The Sopranos would have been called "woke" (one of the seasons was centered on a closeted gay mobster). "It's a distinct brand of political correctness." No, it was used pretty much interchangeably. "Or perhaps political correctness has become more extreme." Or perhaps the people whining about LGBTers and diversity in media have just became louder and more obnoxious (Twitter kinda allows for that) Political correctness is a projection. It's subjective. It changes all the time. Instead of woke movies, it should be what was the first political correct movie you bought. 'Woke' is too much of a loaded word, and the literal meaning of 'woke' is different from politically correct, it's a mutated word. It's not the same anymore. "Political correctness is a projection.It's subjective. It changes all the time." Well yeah, because "political correctness" is a social construct, no some objective, empirical truth. I'm not sure what you're arguing with me about. "Woke' is too much of a loaded word, and the literal meaning of 'woke' is different from politically correct, it's a mutated word. It's not the same anymore." I'm sorry, but I have to ask are you a younger person (under 25)? I can assure you "woke" would almost certainly been used to describe the shows I mentioned. I remember the "anti-wokesters" basically making the same complaints back then about "Brokeback Mountain" ("Oh man Hollywood is shoving their gay agenda down my throat!"). Again it's basically the same term repackaged.
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Oct 6, 2021 23:19:24 GMT
Political correctness is a projection. It's subjective. It changes all the time. Instead of woke movies, it should be what was the first political correct movie you bought. 'Woke' is too much of a loaded word, and the literal meaning of 'woke' is different from politically correct, it's a mutated word. It's not the same anymore. "Political correctness is a projection.It's subjective. It changes all the time." Well yeah, because "political correctness" is a social construct, no some objective, empirical truth. I'm not sure what you're arguing with me about. "Woke' is too much of a loaded word, and the literal meaning of 'woke' is different from politically correct, it's a mutated word. It's not the same anymore." I'm sorry, but I have to ask are you a younger person (under 25)? I can assure you "woke" would almost certainly been used to describe the shows I mentioned. I remember the "anti-wokesters" basically making the same complaints back then about "Brokeback Mountain" ("Oh man Hollywood is shoving their gay agenda down my throat!") . Woke is a word that's been overused in recent years. The Op should have called the thread what's the most politically correct film you've saw rather than 'woke'. Although they have a similar meanings, woke also means woke, as in waking up. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 6, 2021 23:26:24 GMT
"Political correctness is a projection.It's subjective. It changes all the time." Well yeah, because "political correctness" is a social construct, no some objective, empirical truth. I'm not sure what you're arguing with me about. "Woke' is too much of a loaded word, and the literal meaning of 'woke' is different from politically correct, it's a mutated word. It's not the same anymore." I'm sorry, but I have to ask are you a younger person (under 25)? I can assure you "woke" would almost certainly been used to describe the shows I mentioned. I remember the "anti-wokesters" basically making the same complaints back then about "Brokeback Mountain" ("Oh man Hollywood is shoving their gay agenda down my throat!") . Woke is a word that's been overused in recent years. The Op should have called the thread what's the most politically correct film you've saw rather than 'woke'. Although they have a similar meanings, woke also means woke, as in waking up. "Woke is a word that's been overused in recent years." Well yeah, because right wing politicians and pundits have found a new boogeyman to attack. And by "new" I mean a repackaged boogeyman they've been going after for decades. "The Op should have called the thread what's the most politically correct film you've saw rather than 'woke'." Again, "woke" would almost certainly been used to describe LGBT media back then if the term existed. "Although they have a similar meanings, woke also means woke, as in waking up." There's perhaps some slight differences, but those differences appear to be trivial. Do you think it's a coincidence people who throw around the term "woke" also throw around PC, SJW, feminazi, etc? These are all terms that seem to have a lot of overalappage in their usage.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 7, 2021 13:15:37 GMT
Politically correct was overused for decades. With the exact same negative connotations.
Both are used the same way to denounce when something has progressed beyond what people were getting away with before.
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Post by basmaticathury on Oct 7, 2021 19:30:14 GMT
Woke Politically correct.
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Post by NJtoTX on Oct 7, 2021 19:35:54 GMT
Politically correct was overused for decades. With the exact same negative connotations. Both are used the same way to denounce when something has progressed beyond what people were getting away with before. Bill Maher seems to think it's changed. www.facebook.com/JoeNBC/videos/1099347393803302
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 7, 2021 19:51:20 GMT
Politically correct was overused for decades. With the exact same negative connotations. Both are used the same way to denounce when something has progressed beyond what people were getting away with before. Bill Maher seems to think it's changed. www.facebook.com/JoeNBC/videos/1099347393803302 Bill Maher is a comedian who thought he had N-word privileges before he was summarily proven wrong. I don't look to his opinion on this matter either.
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Post by mrellaguru on Oct 7, 2021 21:06:46 GMT
I have the Noam Chomsky documentary Manufacturing Consent.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 7, 2021 22:19:25 GMT
Politically correct was overused for decades. With the exact same negative connotations. Both are used the same way to denounce when something has progressed beyond what people were getting away with before. Bill Maher seems to think it's changed. www.facebook.com/JoeNBC/videos/1099347393803302 Bill Maher probably thinks it's "woke" not to genocide Palestinians, so I'm not really interested in what he has to say.
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Post by NJtoTX on Oct 8, 2021 1:24:30 GMT
Bill Maher probably thinks it's "woke" not to genocide Palestinians, so I'm not really interested in what he has to say. Always interesting to set up an ad hominem with a straw man. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 8, 2021 1:45:19 GMT
Bill Maher probably thinks it's "woke" not to genocide Palestinians, so I'm not really interested in what he has to say. Always interesting to set up an ad hominem with a straw man. Was that an ad hom? Fine, I suppose I'll go more into it. This is essentially the same "boomer" take every generation does, ie ('the left has gone too far!"). Maher isn't making some profound discovery, he's just latched on to a repackaged term (again "PC' was used before woke and it meant pretty much the same). I'm not sure how Maher made a distinction between "woke" and "politically correct" BTW, he didn't go into any real analysis between the two in the clip. If this clip was released 10 years ago, he could have easily replaced "woke" with "PC" and it wouldn't have made a difference. If he was pressed on it, I seriously doubt he could make an actual distinction between the two. Straw man? Maher is an unapologetic Israel supporter, leftists/progressives overwhelmingly dislike Israel, Maher has shown an increasing disdain for leftists/progressives (he writes them off as "woke") the only way for Israel to continue to exist is to remove/kill Palestinians...so what is the logical conclusion to make here? He hasn't shown any disdain for the removal and killing of Palestinians for decades, why would he suddenly change his tune? Especially now that he has a new term ('woke") to simply dismiss protests from leftists/progressives?
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Post by shannondegroot on Oct 8, 2021 2:46:39 GMT
Night of the Living Dead (1968)
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