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Post by nutsberryfarm π on Dec 14, 2021 20:41:59 GMT
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 16, 2021 21:58:32 GMT
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 16, 2021 22:03:45 GMT
Most of the active players aren't old enough to remember 1994-5.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 16, 2021 22:08:58 GMT
Most of the active players aren't old enough to remember 1994-5. The fans are.
The advertisers are.
The owners are and they are the ones pulling the plug
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Post by nutsberryfarm π on Dec 17, 2021 13:50:03 GMT
Rob Manfred doesnβt like baseball.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 18, 2021 21:14:31 GMT
Most of the active players aren't old enough to remember 1994-5. The fans are.
The advertisers are.
The owners are and they are the ones pulling the plug
Fans and advertisers aren't the ones causing the work stoppage though.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 18, 2021 21:24:00 GMT
The fans are.
The advertisers are.
The owners are and they are the ones pulling the plug
Fans and advertisers aren't the ones causing the work stoppage though. The owners are. Nothing dumber on this planet than the owner of a baseball team
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 18, 2021 22:34:06 GMT
Fans and advertisers aren't the ones causing the work stoppage though. The owners are. Nothing dumber on this planet than the owner of a baseball team Owners in all sports are the same. How many current owners have been around 27+ years, anyway?
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Post by nutsberryfarm π on Dec 20, 2021 1:43:56 GMT
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 20, 2021 11:51:29 GMT
The owners are. Nothing dumber on this planet than the owner of a baseball team Owners in all sports are the same. How many current owners have been around 27+ years, anyway? Nearly half. 14 had the team before or right after the 1994-95 stoppage. And those are the ones who carry weight. Letβs not start the βPoor owners, evil players β BS. Read Lords of the Realm and youβll discover how destructive an owner can be. Always remember when ARod left the Mariners. His top salary offer was $17,000,000 per. Texas offers him $25,000,000. I guess the owner was unaware of numbers between 17 and 25.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 20, 2021 15:08:05 GMT
Owners in all sports are the same. How many current owners have been around 27+ years, anyway? Nearly half. 14 had the team before or right after the 1994-95 stoppage. And those are the ones who carry weight. Wow, that's a lot I wasn't expecting that many. That's not counting situations like the Yankees though, is it? Same family (probably under a corporation) but obviously an unofficial ownership change.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 20, 2021 15:14:50 GMT
Owners in all sports are the same. Letβs not start the βPoor owners, evil players β BS. Why would you want to do that? I was merely getting at the idea that is easy to think that a lot of rich assholes could be relatively new owners who weren't paying attention/didn't give a fuck about what was going on in the league(s) 27 years ago And even if they did their research they probably have plenty hubris to think it will be different this time, with themselves running things.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 20, 2021 17:16:11 GMT
Nearly half. 14 had the team before or right after the 1994-95 stoppage. And those are the ones who carry weight. Wow, that's a lot I wasn't expecting that many. That's not counting situations like the Yankees though, is it? Same family (probably under a corporation) but obviously an unofficial ownership change. Well, Prince Hal had his hands on the controls of the Yanks to a certain degree. Christopher Illitch took over the Tigers from his father. It's the older ones who have more clout like those two, Jerry Reisdorf, Peter Angelos et al. And some had been minority owners before they took over, like Philadelphia and Cincinnati, if I recall.
sorry about the other comment, but it seems to me that the players ale always to blame. Both sides are. But fans always twist their pretty pink panties over salaries. Like any of us would turn down that much moolah. And if I could fine 35,000 people to pay to watch me work, I'd ask for a big raise.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 20, 2021 20:15:15 GMT
Wow, that's a lot I wasn't expecting that many. That's not counting situations like the Yankees though, is it? Same family (probably under a corporation) but obviously an unofficial ownership change. Well, Prince Hal had his hands on the controls of the Yanks to a certain degree. Christopher Illitch took over the Tigers from his father. It's the older ones who have more clout like those two, Jerry Reisdorf, Peter Angelos et al. And some had been minority owners before they took over, like Philadelphia and Cincinnati, if I recall.
sorry about the other comment, but it seems to me that the players ale always to blame. Both sides are. But fans always twist their pretty pink panties over salaries. Like any of us would turn down that much moolah. And if I could fine 35,000 people to pay to watch me work, I'd ask for a big raise.
Since the MLBPA strike in 1994-95, there have been several NHL and NBA work stoppages. I'm FULLY jaded against both sides. The players aren't innocent either, both sides are fighting over money that ultimately will just hurt us, the fans.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 20, 2021 21:10:07 GMT
Well, Prince Hal had his hands on the controls of the Yanks to a certain degree. Christopher Illitch took over the Tigers from his father. It's the older ones who have more clout like those two, Jerry Reisdorf, Peter Angelos et al. And some had been minority owners before they took over, like Philadelphia and Cincinnati, if I recall.
sorry about the other comment, but it seems to me that the players ale always to blame. Both sides are. But fans always twist their pretty pink panties over salaries. Like any of us would turn down that much moolah. And if I could fine 35,000 people to pay to watch me work, I'd ask for a big raise.
Since the MLBPA strike in 1994-95, there have been several NHL and NBA work stoppages. I'm FULLY jaded against both sides. The players aren't innocent either, both sides are fighting over money that ultimately will just hurt us, the fans. This one is odd because the issues are so small. Big issue for the players is the service time issue. When a team won't bring up a prospect to hold him for the whole six years before free agency. This has always bugged the MLBPA and I don't see the owners bending much here. I'm not 100% sure how his works but the Royals will never want to bring up a Bobby Witt two weeks early and then lose his 6th year. But the players answer back "since when is two weeks worth six years?". The players are also blubbering about "tanking" and want the owners to do something about it. The owners have offered a minimum team salary base/floor (something the union has wanted forever). The players want draft penalties for tanking teams and that too won't happen. Two things that will happen, no matter who wins. Expanded playoffs (yuck, can't wait to see a sub .500 team win the WS) and the universal DH.
The two big work stoppages were both connected to free agency and earning power for players. In 1981, it was free agent compensation. Teams used to be able to take a player off the 40 man roster of a team that took their free agent. The Dodgers would be able to take a Met, for example, for Max Scherzer. The players felt it limited free agency and they wouldn't stand for it anymore. In 1994-95, it was the owners trying to ram a salary cap down the players throat. The MLBPA would have tore down the game before allowing a cap (still would). This shit seems trivial.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 20, 2021 21:56:48 GMT
www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlbs-antitrust-exemption-facing-legal-challenge-as-former-minor-league-teams-sue-over-milb-overhaul/God, I hope MLB loses and get raped by the courts. I will never forgive Rob Manfred for ruining the Minors. I will agree that there were horrible flaws in the Minor league system, no AA teams on the west coast, no High A in the northeast of midwest. Too many teams with great geographical disparities, like the Mets AAA team in Las Vegas and San Francisco's AA team in Richmond. Travel costs must have been brutal. But tearing down a system that worked very well from 1925 (when the Majors and Minors reached their first agreement) to 2019 was uncalled for. Absolutely no call to wreck the PCL, the International League, even the Pioneer League.Minor league teams meant a lot to their cities and it's a good deal of fun to go to a game. We used to go see the Jamestown Jammers in the old New York-Pennsylvania League. You didn't have to take a second mortgage to take the family and you could have more fun. I spent a decent time once talking to St. Catherine's pitching coach, Neil Allen. We even caught supper afterwards. Can anyone do that at a major league game? I still think it was just to mortally wound the Minors altogether. Manfred wanted to eliminate the system altogether, leaving player development to be done at the complexes in Florida and Arizona and even ending games. Fucking cumbubble.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 20, 2021 22:36:52 GMT
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Post by nutsberryfarm π on Dec 21, 2021 15:01:09 GMT
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 22, 2021 23:51:26 GMT
Sooo... I might'a had a fuct up baseball dream last night... wtf
Spring Training... Darren Daulton (he's dead right?) giving batting practice, then Pedro Martinez coaching the Red Sox, practicing his fastball against a wall he couldn't find his speed so I told him try Roger Clemens' delivery it's far more repeatable... then I was at Roy Halladay's contract extension signing... then I saw Mike Gallego working concessions & journalists making fun of him & he snapped back I GOT MY 89 RING BUDDY...
so yeah... lots of baseball spring training dreams last night... scarily enough, amongst 2-3 bathroom breaks... my brain kept going back to baseball. I figured it was Spring Training cuz there was an empty football stadium with the UCF 'National Champions' banner on it in the background...
no I wasn't drinking
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 23, 2021 0:33:40 GMT
Sooo... I might'a had a fuct up baseball dream last night... wtf Spring Training... Darren Daulton (he's dead right?) giving batting practice, then Pedro Martinez coaching the Red Sox, practicing his fastball against a wall he couldn't find his speed so I told him try Roger Clemens' delivery it's far more repeatable... then I was at Roy Halladay's contract extension signing... then I saw Mike Gallego working concessions & journalists making fun of him & he snapped back I GOT MY 89 RING BUDDY... so yeah... lots of baseball spring training dreams last night... scarily enough, amongst 2-3 bathroom breaks... my brain kept going back to baseball. I figured it was Spring Training cuz there was an empty football stadium with the UCF 'National Champions' banner on it in the background... no I wasn't drinking Those acid flashbacks can be a bitch.
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