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Post by sdrew13163 on May 19, 2017 22:30:39 GMT
Superman Returns is still pretty divisive. After I just rewatched it, I found it to be very campy and just kind of innocent, I guess? I don't know what it was about it, but it just made me think: what if Brandon Routh's Superman and Christian Bale's Batman were in a shared universe? With Bryan Singer and Christopher Nolan being the founding directors of this universe, would you like it? Both of those guys are pretty incredible at their craft.
Both of these separate "franchises" are very restrained and down-to-earth. That is a very big contrast to both the MCU and DCEU, which is both good and bad. Now, we all know that a solo Flash, Wonder Woman, and probably Martian Manhunter movies would still need to be made, but imagine if the DCEU began with Batman Begins and then Superman Returns built on a future shared universe. That actually sounds pretty awesome to me.
I'm not sure if that was the original plan when George Miller was attached to a Justice League film, but it would be at the very least interesting. Which would you prefer? See how this alternate universe would have panned out, or let the current DCEU run its course?
Edit: Also, who would you cast as Flash or Wonder Woman or Cyborg or Martian Manhunter or whoever if a Justice League movie was made in maybe 2008-2010?
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Post by brownstones on May 19, 2017 22:40:07 GMT
yeah..........that movie didn't work for me.
well, Nolan just seemed interested in Batman, nothing supernatural or superhuman in those films, so I don't think Singer's films and Nolan's films would have ever crossed paths, hell WB was going to make that George Miller JL film parallel to Nolan's trilogy because he wanted to keep his batman. also I've read the script to JL: Mortal, and it wasn't great.
now, would it be nice to see a what if alternate storyline? yeah sure, but it's kind of pointless to pine over it.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 6:38:30 GMT
While I wouldn't say it was horrible I wasn't really a fan of 'Superman Returns' and I am glad they scrapped it and decided to go with 'Man of Steel.' I would have preferred a 'Superman' movie with Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher that continued on from 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' based on the script of Season 5. After the show ended one of the showrunners revealed Supergirl was going to join in Season 5 and Braniac was going to be the main villain and I could have seen that working in a movie. In addition to that Dean Cain was the best Clark Kent/Superman and Teri Hatcher was the best Lois Lane. There is a reason why the show got around 30 million viewers during its first two seasons and slaughtered a lot of the shows in ratings that people now call the 'Greatest TV Shows of All Time' and that was Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher who were on the covers of magazines and newspapers everywhere here.  'The Dark Knight' universe wouldn't have worked with the 'Superman Returns' universe either since it was supposed to be set in a realistic world and that was something Christopher Nolan said he regretted in an interview since it made it impossible for him to use a number of Batman's best villains.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 20, 2017 12:32:29 GMT
No idea. I prefer the current, flawed, edgy Superman. It's obviously intended as an arc, and he will eventually end up smiling and bland with a greasy curl on his forehead, just like the Supes Returns comic version. But until then at least the current one has some emotional development ahead of him. And the Nolan Batman would not have agreed with the SR superman, these are like two separate universes, matter and antimatter that implodes.
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Post by MCDemuth on May 20, 2017 13:36:41 GMT
I'm disappointed in how "Superman Returns" has been received by most fans...
After the controversial "Gus Gorman Meets Superman" (AKA "Superman III"), and the critical failure of "Superman IV: The Quest For Peace"... "Superman Returns" was supposed to get Superman back on the big screen, and get the franchise back on track (by ignoring "Superman III" and "Superman IV")...
When I watch "Superman Returns", I tend to believe that the movie did exactly what it set out to do...
And when I compare "Superman Returns" with "Superman I", I find there are a lot of similarities there with the story and tone. It is almost like a carbon copy... Was it a masterpiece? NO! But it still had some good moments...
I think, "Superman Returns" could easily have been a transitional film, set in between "Superman II" and "Superman Returns 2". It is a shame that most fans did not see the film the same way...
"Superman Returns 2" could have been very much like "Superman II", with big and powerful villains, and great action and fighting sequences.
Christopher Reeve/Brandon Routh's Superman was based in as much realism as the character could be... "What if Superman really existed?"...
I really enjoyed the "Dark Knight" Trilogy, because it seems to me, to follow this similar premise... "What if Batman really existed?"...
I loved the realism of both of these franchises...
I'm sorry to say this to you Tim Burton fans, but once I saw "Batman Begins", I quickly realized how Tim Burton's Batman Quadrilogy, looks very childish and unrealistic in comparison. All that neon lights stuff in the last two films...YUCK! (I had a friend who didn't like those films, and had no interest in seeing "Batman Begins". I had to "twist her arm" by telling her it was a much more realistic film, in order to get her to watch the movie on DVD. Once she saw it, she enjoyed it!)
I could very easily imagine a team up of these two characters in a "Superman Returns 3/Dark Knight 4" crossover film.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on May 20, 2017 15:37:29 GMT
I'm sorry to say this to you Tim Burton fans, but once I saw " Batman Begins", I quickly realized how Tim Burton's Batman Quadrilogy, looks very childish and unrealistic in comparison. All that neon lights stuff in the last two films...YUCK! ( I had a friend who didn't like those films, and had no interest in seeing "Batman Begins". I had to "twist her arm" by telling her it was a much more realistic film, in order to get her to watch the movie on DVD. Once she saw it, she enjoyed it!) you can't really blame Burton for the latter two. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 20, 2017 15:43:30 GMT
I'm sorry to say this to you Tim Burton fans, but once I saw " Batman Begins", I quickly realized how Tim Burton's Batman Quadrilogy, looks very childish and unrealistic in comparison. All that neon lights stuff in the last two films...YUCK! for the record, there is no Burton quadrilogy, he is only responsible for Batman and Batman Returns (the good ones); the YUCK-neon abominations were committed by someone entirely different (let him remain unnamed). |
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Post by brownstones on May 20, 2017 15:43:36 GMT
I'm disappointed in how " Superman Returns" has been received by most fans... After the controversial " Gus Gorman Meets Superman" (AKA " Superman III"), and the critical failure of " Superman IV: The Quest For Peace"... " Superman Returns" was supposed to get Superman back on the big screen, and get the franchise back on track (by ignoring " Superman III" and " Superman IV")... When I watch " Superman Returns", I tend to believe that the movie did exactly what it set out to do... And when I compare " Superman Returns" with " Superman I", I find there are a lot of similarities there with the story and tone. It is almost like a carbon copy... Was it a masterpiece? NO! But it still had some good moments... I think, " Superman Returns" could easily have been a transitional film, set in between " Superman II" and " Superman Returns 2". It is a shame that most fans did not see the film the same way... " Superman Returns 2" could have been very much like " Superman II", with big and powerful villains, and great action and fighting sequences. Christopher Reeve/Brandon Routh's Superman was based in as much realism as the character could be... " What if Superman really existed?"... I really enjoyed the "Dark Knight" Trilogy, because it seems to me, to follow this similar premise... " What if Batman really existed?"... I loved the realism of both of these franchises... I'm sorry to say this to you Tim Burton fans, but once I saw " Batman Begins", I quickly realized how Tim Burton's Batman Quadrilogy, looks very childish and unrealistic in comparison. All that neon lights stuff in the last two films...YUCK! ( I had a friend who didn't like those films, and had no interest in seeing "Batman Begins". I had to "twist her arm" by telling her it was a much more realistic film, in order to get her to watch the movie on DVD. Once she saw it, she enjoyed it!) I could very easily imagine a team up of these two characters in a " Superman Returns 3/Dark Knight 4" crossover film. You know that's interesting, you state there are similarities between Singer's and Donner's films (since that's what Singer intended) but I honestly don't see it or feel it, the Daily Planet, Clark, Lois, stuff feels similar and of course the music is Williams, but outside of that Routh's Superman feels unrelated to what Reeves did, and Spacey's take on Lex....while they incorporated bits of Hackman's, felt, again, unrelated. And honestly feel their attempt to continue from where Donner left off was their biggest issue, also I'm not a fan or Singer as a director, very dry films. |
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Post by politicidal on May 20, 2017 17:43:22 GMT
I am ambivalent towards Superman Returns but oddly enough, I could see a crossover with Batman Begins' universe.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 20, 2017 17:54:00 GMT
I'm sorry to say this to you Tim Burton fans, but once I saw " Batman Begins", I quickly realized how Tim Burton's Batman Quadrilogy, looks very childish and unrealistic in comparison. All that neon lights stuff in the last two films...YUCK! for the record, there is no Burton quadrilogy, he is only responsible for Batman and Batman Returns (the good ones); the YUCK-neon abominations were committed by someone entirely different (let him remain unnamed). Well, to be fair, wasn't he still producer on them? The movies still had his influence. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 20, 2017 18:37:35 GMT
for the record, there is no Burton quadrilogy, he is only responsible for Batman and Batman Returns (the good ones); the YUCK-neon abominations were committed by someone entirely different (let him remain unnamed). Well, to be fair, wasn't he still producer on them? The movies still had his influence. would be new for me, I thought he left after Returns for good. Anyways, the movie looks may be remotely inspired by him for continuity reasons, but instead of creepy-gritty, dark Goth we get colorful, neon disco a la YUCK. Same with the music: inspired by the very iconic Elfmann theme (which was taken from Tchaikovsky), but not legally the same. But the nipples suits, actors, cars etc where all new designs. Hideous! Considering the gravity of the offence here, I deem Burton innocent until proven guilty. |
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Post by ThatGuy on May 21, 2017 1:27:24 GMT
Well, to be fair, wasn't he still producer on them? The movies still had his influence. would be new for me, I thought he left after Returns for good. Anyways, the movie looks may be remotely inspired by him for continuity reasons, but instead of creepy-gritty, dark Goth we get colorful, neon disco a la YUCK. Same with the music: inspired by the very iconic Elfmann theme (which was taken from Tchaikovsky), but not legally the same. But the nipples suits, actors, cars etc where all new designs. Hideous! Considering the gravity of the offence here, I deem Burton innocent until proven guilty. Blame the Adam West Batman. The 2nd two movies were studio movies. Look at most of Schumacher's movies and they are pretty dark. Batman Forever was made to balance out the creepiness of Batman Returns. The nipples and codpieces were all Schumacher though... He's gay... He made some excuse about it making them look like Roman statues or something. Parents complained about how twisted Returns was (mostly Penguin), but was, ironically, okay with the additions to the suits. Burton was guilty for going to far. He made monster Burton movies instead of Batman movies. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 21, 2017 22:13:40 GMT
Nah. It's an interesting thought, but I'm glad they never crossed over.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 6:27:13 GMT
would be new for me, I thought he left after Returns for good. Anyways, the movie looks may be remotely inspired by him for continuity reasons, but instead of creepy-gritty, dark Goth we get colorful, neon disco a la YUCK. Same with the music: inspired by the very iconic Elfmann theme (which was taken from Tchaikovsky), but not legally the same. But the nipples suits, actors, cars etc where all new designs. Hideous! Considering the gravity of the offence here, I deem Burton innocent until proven guilty. Blame the Adam West Batman. The 2nd two movies were studio movies. Look at most of Schumacher's movies and they are pretty dark. Batman Forever was made to balance out the creepiness of Batman Returns. Burton was guilty for going to far. He made monster Burton movies instead of Batman movies.   |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 6:34:18 GMT
I'm sorry to say this to you Tim Burton fans, but once I saw " Batman Begins", I quickly realized how Tim Burton's Batman Quadrilogy, looks very childish and unrealistic in comparison. All that neon lights stuff in the last two films...YUCK! ( I had a friend who didn't like those films, and had no interest in seeing "Batman Begins". I had to "twist her arm" by telling her it was a much more realistic film, in order to get her to watch the movie on DVD. Once she saw it, she enjoyed it!) I could very easily imagine a team up of these two characters in a " Superman Returns 3/Dark Knight 4" crossover film.  |
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Post by brownstones on May 22, 2017 12:23:46 GMT
I'm sorry to say this to you Tim Burton fans, but once I saw " Batman Begins", I quickly realized how Tim Burton's Batman Quadrilogy, looks very childish and unrealistic in comparison. All that neon lights stuff in the last two films...YUCK! ( I had a friend who didn't like those films, and had no interest in seeing "Batman Begins". I had to "twist her arm" by telling her it was a much more realistic film, in order to get her to watch the movie on DVD. Once she saw it, she enjoyed it!) I could very easily imagine a team up of these two characters in a " Superman Returns 3/Dark Knight 4" crossover film. They tried to be as grounded as possible, because if they went completely realistic.........you'd have something like "Super" but with less humor. |
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Post by ThatGuy on May 22, 2017 15:05:55 GMT
Blame the Adam West Batman. The 2nd two movies were studio movies. Look at most of Schumacher's movies and they are pretty dark. Batman Forever was made to balance out the creepiness of Batman Returns. Burton was guilty for going to far. He made monster Burton movies instead of Batman movies. I read the Batman and Robin book a while back and it also had a different feel from the movie we got. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 18:21:00 GMT
Superman Returns would have had to be a much better movie for that to possible. That said, Brandon Routh deserved another chance at being Superman.
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