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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 2, 2021 19:23:40 GMT
theravenking and I were talking about screenwriter Kevin Williamson’s original draft for Scream 2, which got discarded after it leaked online. That got me thinking… What are some horror movies that never got made? The series are full of these: I’ve seen many, many list of Halloween scripts that never made it to production. My favorite of these is Dennis Etchison’s screenplay for Halloween 4 (1988), which is far from perfect but is better and cleverer than the movie we got. The basic premise is that the town of Haddonfield has banned Halloween after the 1978 murders and Mikey comes back as a repressed memory that takes flesh-and-blood form. That sounds kooky, but it’s basically Wes Craven’s New Nightmare with a different killer and six years earlier. Etchison has some nice set pieces that use the Halloween setting to the fullest, including at a pumpkin patch and a horror-movie marathon. Also, he picks up on just how nuts Doc Loomis is in the original. I also generally like Williamson’s unproduced treatment for Scream 3. I’ve never read the outline—anyone know if it’s floating around somewhere online?—but Williamson told Entertainment Tonight, “The killers were basically a fan club of Woodsboro kids that had formed because of Stab 1 and Stab 2.” I’m less fond of his idea for a second twist, though: “The big surprise of the movie was when Sidney walked into the house after Ghostface had killed everyone…and they all rose up. None of them were actually dead and they’d planned the whole thing.” Not quite sure that kind of April Fool’s Day-esque twist would satisfy anyone—and I’m positive no producer would approve it. Any that you like?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 2, 2021 21:21:49 GMT
Don't forget the third twist: a still-living Stu was masterminding everything from prison, Following-style. I don't think the actual outline has ever been released but I would love to read it. He also planned a Scream 5 where Jill is in college after successfully getting away with 4's events. I liked 4's ending, but that would have been interesting.
Speaking of Williamson, the original script for Cursed was pretty fun, and it was nearly all filmed before being completely rewritten and reshot. Who the werewolf turns out to be is so hilarious I don't even want to spoil it here.
The original Friday 3 with Ginny either is an asylum or hunting Jason with Ted would have been cool, just because Ginny is awesome.
I remember disliking that H4 treatment. Granted, it's more original than the actual H4 which is basically just a remake, but it kinda goes too far in its own direction as H6 would later do.
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Post by James on Nov 2, 2021 21:34:45 GMT
Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare was originally going to be about the town of Springwood overcoming their fears with Freddy and they would take sleeping pills to bully Freddy and he became less and less powerful. Then Freddy kills someone and everyone is alarmed again giving Freddy the strength he has again. And all of this was thought up of by Peter Jackson of all people.
Would've been way more interesting and better than following an amnesiac dude meanwhile discovering Freddy's secret child as a way to sympathize with him, only to make him look even more unlikeable than before.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 2, 2021 21:39:15 GMT
Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare was originally going to be about the town of Springwood overcoming their fears with Freddy and they would take sleeping pills to bully Freddy and he became less and less powerful. Then Freddy kills someone and everyone is alarmed again giving Freddy the strength he has again. And all of this was thought up of by Peter Jackson of all people. Would've been way more interesting and better than following an amnesiac dude meanwhile discovering Freddy's secret child as a way to sympathize with him, only to make him look even more unlikeable than before. Immediately what I thought of.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 2, 2021 21:50:26 GMT
Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare was originally going to be about the town of Springwood overcoming their fears with Freddy and they would take sleeping pills to bully Freddy and he became less and less powerful. Then Freddy kills someone and everyone is alarmed again giving Freddy the strength he has again. And all of this was thought up of by Peter Jackson of all people. Would've been way more interesting and better than following an amnesiac dude meanwhile discovering Freddy's secret child as a way to sympathize with him, only to make him look even more unlikeable than before. Oh yeah. Where in god's name is this script? It can't not be great. Another version of Freddy's Dead had "amnesiac dude" be Jacob and he'd be helped by some of the Dream Warriors, who stuck around after their souls were freed to be "Dreams Police". I'll take that over the real FD, too. Even still, there's a prequel movie written by JOHN SAXON himself about how Freddy became Freddy. He sold it on eBay but I can't find it online.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 2, 2021 22:11:17 GMT
There are so many of these. It's a great topic with a lot to dig into. Most of the ones that we've heard about are those in long standing franchises.
There are a ton of scripts and pitches and treatments out there for Freddy vs Jason, but I recall one that I read way back before that movie actually came out that had the very different title of Jason vs Freddy. The concept was that Jason Voorhees was real and the movies were loosely based on his real life murders. He was still very much human even though the movies got more outlandish. He gets arrested and the lawyer who is hired to defend him researches these horror movies starring Jason and begins to have nightmares featuring a scary burned figure in a sweater and hat with razor fingers. I supposed she didn't recognize his hand when she watched Jason Goes to Hell while doing her research. Anyway, I don't remember all of the details, but the movie somehow ends up in a mall and Freddy rides the elevator with a guy and makes his snake tattoo movie and turn into a real snake and attack him. Not sure why this was happening when nobody was asleep. As I recall from reading that script almost 18 years later, it wasn't good, but the basis of the idea was sorta enticing to read even though nobody would have been happy about it if they actually used that idea.
There was an article recently about the guys who are writing the new Hellraiser movie and the pitch they had for Halloween after Rob Zombie was leaving the series. They were not big shots, just a pair of writers among apparently very many that submitted a pitch. There idea was basically to pick the original series much later and not to exactly discount the series, but to not directly reference them. Michael was sort of an urban legend that kids would read about online about how there were these killings in different towns on Halloween night on different years and they weren't officially connected but online sleuths were trying to connect the dots. Then you'd see Michael roll into this random town, like a drifter or something, and put on his mask and start to stalk some teens. Their idea was that we wouldn't no much about his life outside of being 'the shape' but that they'd suggest he had some kind of a life the rest of the year, but in late October he'd find a town to terrorize and kill some teens only to leave without being caught and find a new place the next year. They didn't go into great detail on what the plot was (or I just don't remember it all that well) but it was gonna feature a movie theater and some run down, economically beaten down parts of a suburban town as a setting for some horror set pieces.
If anyone cares or hasn't seen it I'm sure I can find the article.
The Halloween that almost got made at that point was called Halloween Returns, and there's a lot of info on what that would have been out there too.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 2, 2021 22:14:19 GMT
Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare was originally going to be about the town of Springwood overcoming their fears with Freddy and they would take sleeping pills to bully Freddy and he became less and less powerful. Then Freddy kills someone and everyone is alarmed again giving Freddy the strength he has again. And all of this was thought up of by Peter Jackson of all people. Would've been way more interesting and better than following an amnesiac dude meanwhile discovering Freddy's secret child as a way to sympathize with him, only to make him look even more unlikeable than before. Oh yeah. Where in god's name is this script? It can't not be great. Another version of Freddy's Dead had "amnesiac dude" be Jacob and he'd be helped by some of the Dream Warriors, who stuck around after their souls were freed to be "Dreams Police". I'll take that over the real FD, too. Even still, there's a prequel movie written by JOHN SAXON himself about how Freddy became Freddy. He sold it on eBay but I can't find it online. They were talking about doing that Freddy prequel for a while. That opening scene from Freddy vs Jason was pretty sweet. If they had done it around then it could have been good. He's probably too old now. Actually, come to think of it, the guy who made Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer talked about a pitch and/or script he had for a Freddy prequel that was set largely in hell with fire, and brimstone, and Demons, and the whole deal. Obviously that didn't get made either.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 3, 2021 16:02:41 GMT
Don't forget the third twist: a still-living Stu was masterminding everything from prison, Following-style. I don't think the actual outline has ever been released but I would love to read it. He also planned a Scream 5 where Jill is in college after successfully getting away with 4's events. I liked 4's ending, but that would have been interesting. Huh, I didn’t know about that twist, though I knew Williamson said he based The Following on his concept.I’d love to read this.Etchison’s? Oh, I kinda like that it goes its own way. Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare was originally going to be about the town of Springwood overcoming their fears with Freddy and they would take sleeping pills to bully Freddy and he became less and less powerful. Then Freddy kills someone and everyone is alarmed again giving Freddy the strength he has again. And all of this was thought up of by Peter Jackson of all people. I’ve never seen Freddy’s Dead, but I’d read that script! The concept was that Jason Voorhees was real and the movies were loosely based on his real life murders. He was still very much human even though the movies got more outlandish. He gets arrested and the lawyer who is hired to defend him researches these horror movies starring Jason and begins to have nightmares featuring a scary burned figure in a sweater and hat with razor fingers. I supposed she didn't recognize his hand when she watched Jason Goes to Hell while doing her research. Anyway, I don't remember all of the details, but the movie somehow ends up in a mall and Freddy rides the elevator with a guy and makes his snake tattoo movie and turn into a real snake and attack him. Not sure why this was happening when nobody was asleep. As I recall from reading that script almost 18 years later, it wasn't good, but the basis of the idea was sorta enticing to read even though nobody would have been happy about it if they actually used that idea. That real-life, human Freddy idea seems like an interesting variation on what we got in New Nightmare—though I’m not sure it fits into a v. Jason script. OK, as I said I like moving away from Halloween formula, but that’s a little too far even for me. Cool premise for a non- Halloween slasher/mystery, though. And I’d definitely read that article, thanks!
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 3, 2021 17:15:40 GMT
The concept was that Jason Voorhees was real and the movies were loosely based on his real life murders. He was still very much human even though the movies got more outlandish. He gets arrested and the lawyer who is hired to defend him researches these horror movies starring Jason and begins to have nightmares featuring a scary burned figure in a sweater and hat with razor fingers. I supposed she didn't recognize his hand when she watched Jason Goes to Hell while doing her research. Anyway, I don't remember all of the details, but the movie somehow ends up in a mall and Freddy rides the elevator with a guy and makes his snake tattoo movie and turn into a real snake and attack him. Not sure why this was happening when nobody was asleep. As I recall from reading that script almost 18 years later, it wasn't good, but the basis of the idea was sorta enticing to read even though nobody would have been happy about it if they actually used that idea. That real-life, human Freddy idea seems like an interesting variation on what we got in New Nightmare—though I’m not sure it fits into a v. Jason script. OK, as I said I like moving away from Halloween formula, but that’s a little too far even for me. Cool premise for a non- Halloween slasher/mystery, though. And I’d definitely read that article, thanks! For the record the Jason vs Freddy script was about Jason being a real, living person, not Freddy. The concept in the script was that the movies started off as a semi realistic depiction of what actually happened at Crystal Lake and then got more ludicrous as the sequels went on. Meanwhile, Jason Voorhees had never been caught and was still out there killing. He gets arrested in the beginning of the script and is described as looking all beaten up and semi deformed and covered in scars but being very much a human being... ... while Freddy was the Freddy Krueger we knew from the movies. Pre-New Nightmare, that is. Kind of interesting, but I think clearly not right.
EXCLUSIVES‘Hellraiser’ Writers Ben Collins and Luke Piotrowski Carve into the ‘Halloween’ Reboot They Pitched in 2012Here's that article from the writers of the Hellraiser movie by David Bruckner. I haven't seen The Night House yet, but I really liked the movie Super Dark Times that they wrote. This pitch doesn't seem that outlandish to me. I think the Etchison idea is much crazier. It sorta makes sense with the H20 story of Michael Myers, where he finds his victims in a new place across the country. I haven't read this article in like a week or so, but my impression was that they would suggest that Michael was a real person who had some sort of life away from being a killer, but it's not like you'd see him living it. They wanted it to still be mysterious, but they'd show things like him drive into this town with a truck or something and you could deduce that he was a construction worker or maybe just a homeless drifter who stole a car, or a mechanic, or whatever... but all you'd really know is that he emerged somewhere on Halloween every year, and instead of just Haddonfield it could be anywhere. I do kind of agree that it might not work for Halloween and Michael Myers. But it's a good slasher premise. Change the date and the mask, and you could easily rework this idea into a good slasher movie script. But I don't think it's any more outside of the series' logic than an evil druid cult. I'll look for the synopsis of the pitch for Halloween Returns later. I think the guys who made The Collector had written that one, and they had used some of their unused materials for a Saw sequel that they didn't get to make for The Collector... that is if I'm not mixing the up for someone else.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 3, 2021 17:57:31 GMT
That real-life, human Freddy idea seems like an interesting variation on what we got in New Nightmare—though I’m not sure it fits into a v. Jason script. OK, as I said I like moving away from Halloween formula, but that’s a little too far even for me. Cool premise for a non- Halloween slasher/mystery, though. And I’d definitely read that article, thanks! For the record the Jason vs Freddy script was about Jason being a real, living person, not Freddy. Oops! I kinda prefer Freddy being a real person, to be honest…though that may be too close to New Nightmare. Thanks for letting me know and for the link! Yeah, I like it as a slasher premise, just not as a Halloween premise. Sure, it’s not that much crazier than an evil druid cult, but I don’t think most people like that evil druid cult anyway. I certainly don’t; my ideal Mikey is left mysterious, a figure who seems supernatural but never outright is.
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Post by redcharge on Nov 3, 2021 19:06:03 GMT
freddy vs jason was the first horror film i ever saw in theatres went and saw it six times in theatres. i wish we had gotten a sequel
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 3, 2021 19:23:46 GMT
freddy vs jason was the first horror film i ever saw in theatres went and saw it six times in theatres. i wish we had gotten a sequel I don't know if it counts, but New Line did try to convince Sam Rami and Bruce Campbell to do Freddy vs Jason vs Ash. I guess there was some brief interest and a treatment was written, but it didn't go very far beyond a few meetings after Rami and Campbell were told that Ash couldn't kill off either character.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 3, 2021 22:29:23 GMT
freddy vs jason was the first horror film i ever saw in theatres went and saw it six times in theatres. i wish we had gotten a sequel I don't know if it counts, but New Line did try to convince Sam Rami and Bruce Campbell to do Freddy vs Jason vs Ash. I guess there was some brief interest and a treatment was written, but it didn't go very far beyond a few meetings after Rami and Campbell were told that Ash couldn't kill off either character. Seems like a weird dealbreaker. Freddy and Jason die at the end of nearly every movie.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 3, 2021 22:52:31 GMT
I don't know if it counts, but New Line did try to convince Sam Rami and Bruce Campbell to do Freddy vs Jason vs Ash. I guess there was some brief interest and a treatment was written, but it didn't go very far beyond a few meetings after Rami and Campbell were told that Ash couldn't kill off either character. Seems like a weird dealbreaker. Freddy and Jason die at the end of nearly every movie. Yeah. There's a good chance they weren't particularly interested in doing it to begin with, I suppose.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 3, 2021 23:13:05 GMT
For the record the Jason vs Freddy script was about Jason being a real, living person, not Freddy. Oops! I kinda prefer Freddy being a real person, to be honest…though that may be too close to New Nightmare. Thanks for letting me know and for the link! Yeah, I like it as a slasher premise, just not as a Halloween premise. Sure, it’s not that much crazier than an evil druid cult, but I don’t think most people like that evil druid cult anyway. I certainly don’t; my ideal Mikey is left mysterious, a figure who seems supernatural but never outright is. Yeah I hear ya. That's how I like Michael too, I just think that of all the movies we've seen, this idea doesn't change as much as some of the others, like when he gets blown up and shot to pieces and then just sleeps next to a homeless guy for a year and is fine, or the man in black or the cult. If they went too far with it that could bad, but if he just drove into town in some vehicle that suggested something without making it explicit I think that might have been cool. Plus I liked some of the other ideas, like Michael being this sort of urban legend that people learned about online but wasn't officially known to have committed all of these separate murders in different places.... Anyway they didn't write a script and it never went beyond a pitch, so for all of their backstory ideas we don't really know how he would have been depicted practically.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Nov 3, 2021 23:46:37 GMT
Dario Argento's FRANKENSTEIN
I read about this proposed early '80s project some 10-15 years ago... I don't believe the script was ever completed.
It was to be a gory (naturally!) retelling of the Frankenstein story, only set in 1930s Nazi Germany instead of the 19th Century. Argento supposedly wanted Timothy Dalton to play the Peter Cushing-ish Baron Frankenstein.
(Argento made TENEBRE and PHENEOMENA instead.)
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Post by redcharge on Nov 4, 2021 0:51:44 GMT
I don't know if it counts, but New Line did try to convince Sam Rami and Bruce Campbell to do Freddy vs Jason vs Ash. I guess there was some brief interest and a treatment was written, but it didn't go very far beyond a few meetings after Rami and Campbell were told that Ash couldn't kill off either character. Seems like a weird dealbreaker. Freddy and Jason die at the end of nearly every movie. they usually come back as well though thus Ash usually kills off every monster/demon he encounters
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Post by redcharge on Nov 4, 2021 0:53:51 GMT
Helloween Michael Myers vs Pinhead this was in talks after Resurrection and H20 supernatural Myers vs demon king Pinhead wouldve been cool to see
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Post by redcharge on Nov 4, 2021 0:55:39 GMT
Seems like a weird dealbreaker. Freddy and Jason die at the end of nearly every movie. Yeah. There's a good chance they weren't particularly interested in doing it to begin with, I suppose. Pinhead was originally suppose to appear at the end of Freddy Vs jason but the studio didnt want to spend money to buy rights to the character..... Freddy vs Jason vs Pinhead wouldve been a movie i wouldve been first in line to see
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Post by mgmarshall on Nov 4, 2021 2:22:25 GMT
It always makes me sad that Don Coscarelli could never raise the money for that post-apocalyptic Phantasm sequel with Bruce Campbell. That would've been kickass, and Phantasm: Ravager is just a pale shadow of what could've been.
Speaking of Coscarelli, all these years on and we've still never seen Bubba Nosferatu.
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