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Post by dividavi on Nov 3, 2021 17:33:18 GMT
Here are two questions from Science News correspondent Megan Scudellari: 1️⃣Are viruses alive, not alive or something in between? 2️⃣And why does it matter? My answers: 1️⃣Viruses are not alive 2️⃣It matters because it's untrue that viruses are living. So what do you say? Let me know after reading this fascinating article by Megan Scudellari. www.sciencenews.org/article/viruses-alive-coronavirus-definition
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Post by gw on Nov 5, 2021 19:56:04 GMT
1. I think that they're somewhere in between. 2. Viruses are able to recreate themselves, if admittedly with a cell's help, and evolve over time in a way that we wouldn't expect from a non-living thing, plus they contain small pieces of DNA. So they have some characteristics of life but not enough to consider them fully living but do things that we wouldn't expect from something that has no characteristics of life.
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Post by Sarge on Nov 7, 2021 5:04:28 GMT
We argued about this for decades. It comes down to the definition of living, which no one can agree on, and even physicists have waded into the debate for some godawful reason. We don't even agree on how many Kingdoms exist. My personal view is viruses are a form of proto-life, not living, but not inanimate. Couple years back we discovered (actually they were already known be we proved) a new form of life that isn't related to other life forms on Earth and is theorized to be another type of life that evolved but never flourished. So we have a lot to learn yet about what is or isn't life and as we explore other planets have to be open to forms of life that are fundamentally different than what we know.
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Post by NJtoTX on Nov 7, 2021 7:31:02 GMT
Schrödinger's virus
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Post by transfuged on Nov 29, 2021 14:51:11 GMT
The current definition of life deals with the ability to reproduce... Viruses are parasites in this regard, but... Maybe the definition is wrong. Sure thing, if pain in the back covid is not alive, it is a...pain in the back.
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Post by wickedkittiesmom on Nov 30, 2021 10:39:22 GMT
The way I understand it is that viruses are not living therefore cannot be "killed" but can be stopped. Viruses will also continue to mutate . This is truly above my knowledge but I'm not that smart. In the beginning of this pandemic, I often said it will last at least 2 -3 years ( the "black Plague took over 3 years to die down but bubonic plague is still with us). I continue to protect myself and WKD as best I can.
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Post by rizdek on Dec 9, 2021 14:43:23 GMT
I think of viruses as living. They exist as specific types/varieties/species. They have a gene pool. They reproduce/replicate and pass on genetic information to descendants which allows their gene pool to mutate and adapt. Just because they require a cell to thrive doesn't suggest to me they aren't alive, it just means they are like a myriad of other life forms that depending on a certain environment. Many forms of life depend on specific environments or components in their environment to survive. In fact pretty much all life on earth depends on the environment found on earth...so much so that in order for humans to survive in space they have to build contraptions...suits/craft/containers that allow them to carry a bit of that environment wherever they go.
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Post by transfuged on Jan 11, 2022 16:54:05 GMT
Maybe because Pasteur was one of them ?
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Post by Sarge on Jan 14, 2022 7:15:00 GMT
Maybe because Pasteur was one of them ? Or maybe because physics is getting more expensive and harder since so much of the basics have been solved. It's so expensive to make big new discoveries that there are fewer exciting opportunities, it's just the plodding stuff that is available to most, working on old problems or stretching our understanding of current theories. But I think the real answer is that quite a few physicists have become minor celebrities and the money from speaking and tv is really good compared to their normal paycheck, so they stretch further to have more to talk about. NDTyson wanders into biology all the time and just as often is completely wrong when he does. Physics is a few extremely complex concepts; biology is thousands of complex processes. That's why there is way more specialties in biology, biochemistry, bioengineering, and medicine than physics.
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Post by transfuged on Jan 14, 2022 15:54:41 GMT
Well, I would take the chance to think that's where the definition of life is essential. Biology deals with it, hence, cant really be empirical in every aspect. No one can experiment on someone else in every way. Consenting or not consenting... The research has to be more abstract in every subject that can't be empirically tested. Without the hope of an actual real answer. That is complex. Sorry, must go. Laters.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 17, 2022 5:44:16 GMT
Well, I would take the chance to think that's where the definition of life is essential. Biology deals with it, hence, cant really be empirical in every aspect. No one can experiment on someone else in every way. Consenting or not consenting... The research has to be more abstract in every subject that can't be empirically tested. Without the hope of an actual real answer. That is complex. Sorry, must go. Laters. It's not that we can't define life, it's that we don't agree on the definition. I think there was general agreement until we discovered viruses, and I think there are a few holdouts for religious reasons, waiting for us to discover the magic all-spark. And a definition doesn't solve any problems so there is no pressing need. If we someday discover non-terrestrial life, or make a breakthrough in abiogenesis, then it might become important. Biology is advancing rapidly and will be a very different field in 50 years, lots of definitions will probably change.
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Post by transfuged on Jan 14, 2024 13:22:30 GMT
Isn’t being alive requested in order to form whishes, plan, have an agenda, be in charge (you name it) ?
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