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Post by TalkGood50 on Nov 3, 2021 20:26:31 GMT
Unfortunately the legacy of slavery and discrimination and murder and brutality has led a percentage of black people to blame all whites and the white skin as the cause of racism. These black people probably come from the same isolated environments that those whites who become kkk and neo Nazis come from. Only those black citizens who are well educated about this whole word knows ,that, the white people who are the problem are those that are bigots and take physical action to it. They also recognize hate knows no race, color, creed, code.They also realized that it's those with money ,destructive courage, or they feel The got a god behind them that those bigots will take action. They know that they got to be ready if and when the bigots take physical action to counter act with action.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 3, 2021 22:43:19 GMT
Those KKK guys did not come from environments where whites where systemically oppressed by black society.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 4, 2021 8:55:56 GMT
Its kind of ironic how people think that white people are the only race that had slaves.
Every race had slaves, every race sold slaves and every race have been slaves.
The majority of slaves that was taken from Africa where slaves owned by other Africans and than sold to Europeans.
Slavery have existed all over the world and every race have either been slaves, owned slaves, sold slaves or bough slaves.
And what people also ignore is that in the world today there are about 40 million slaves, so slavery is not gone.
And also the vaste majority of white people through history never owned slaves. And the same thing goes for all other races.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 4, 2021 13:09:42 GMT
One thing to keep in mind though, is that white people, especially in the United States, were the ones who really made slavery about race. As you said, even Africa had African slaves. It wasn't a race thing. Rome took slaves from anywhere. Native Americans took slaves from any tribe.
However, white people turned slavery into systemic racism. They specifically targeted blacks as being inferior and therefore, perfect for being slaves. So on top of the horror of slavery, they added the disgust of racism to it. That more than anything is what continues to permeate modern society. It's not just about the legacy of slavery. It's about the legacy of racism that allowed slavery to thrive for hundreds of years.
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Post by amyghost on Nov 6, 2021 1:29:25 GMT
One thing to keep in mind though, is that white people, especially in the United States, were the ones who really made slavery about race. As you said, even Africa had African slaves. It wasn't a race thing. Rome took slaves from anywhere. Native Americans took slaves from any tribe. However, white people turned slavery into systemic racism. They specifically targeted blacks as being inferior and therefore, perfect for being slaves. So on top of the horror of slavery, they added the disgust of racism to it. That more than anything is what continues to permeate modern society. It's not just about the legacy of slavery. It's about the legacy of racism that allowed slavery to thrive for hundreds of years. That's true insofar as it goes--but white Britishers virtually enslaved the Irish and also made them the targets of justification for debased treatment due to their supposed 'inferiority'; and of course the Irish were every bit as white as the Brits. Presumed inferiority of a subjugated people by a conqueror group is nearly always underpinned by notions of the subject peoples supposed lower status. That's a power thing, and doesn't necessarily have to be based on skin tones or racial differences. Although it was in the case of black/white slavery, there have been many instances of enslavement of one group by another, using the notion of one group being in some way lesser than the other, that had little or nothing to do with 'racial' characteristics coming into play--or with the notion of race being something rather other than the current American one. Hitler--to take the most glaring modern example--based his whole idea of enslavement of massive portions of the Eastern European population on the claim that Slavs were genetically inferior to Western European and specifically Nordic groups even though there is no demonstrable difference between the two.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Dec 1, 2021 7:15:22 GMT
Yea, white people are the problem. That is a fact.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 4, 2021 17:01:17 GMT
Its kind of ironic how people think that white people are the only race that had slaves. Every race had slaves, every race sold slaves and every race have been slaves. The majority of slaves that was taken from Africa where slaves owned by other Africans and than sold to Europeans. Slavery have existed all over the world and every race have either been slaves, owned slaves, sold slaves or bough slaves. And what people also ignore is that in the world today there are about 40 million slaves, so slavery is not gone. And also the vaste majority of white people through history never owned slaves. And the same thing goes for all other races. The problem was the oppressed white men in the British colonies fought a war so all human beings could be equal and live in freedom, but then had to figure out how black slaves were not human so they wouldn't be liars and hypocrites and could keep on making money. So, for the USA, slavery and its white superiority syndrome is especially evil. But yes, slavery and the slave trade has always been a money making deal. The Vikings were intense slave traders. I'm assuming some of that cultural "DNA" has been passed down. FYI, there are more Viking descendants in the USA than Scandinavia. You are not even worth given a reply to.
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Post by jpat99 on Dec 30, 2021 10:22:57 GMT
One thing to keep in mind though, is that white people, especially in the United States, were the ones who really made slavery about race. As you said, even Africa had African slaves. It wasn't a race thing. Rome took slaves from anywhere. Native Americans took slaves from any tribe. However, white people turned slavery into systemic racism. They specifically targeted blacks as being inferior and therefore, perfect for being slaves. So on top of the horror of slavery, they added the disgust of racism to it. That more than anything is what continues to permeate modern society. It's not just about the legacy of slavery. It's about the legacy of racism that allowed slavery to thrive for hundreds of years. This escapes a lot of people.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 26, 2022 4:04:55 GMT
One thing to keep in mind though, is that white people, especially in the United States, were the ones who really made slavery about race. As you said, even Africa had African slaves. It wasn't a race thing. Rome took slaves from anywhere. Native Americans took slaves from any tribe. However, white people turned slavery into systemic racism. They specifically targeted blacks as being inferior and therefore, perfect for being slaves. So on top of the horror of slavery, they added the disgust of racism to it. That more than anything is what continues to permeate modern society. It's not just about the legacy of slavery. It's about the legacy of racism that allowed slavery to thrive for hundreds of years. Blacks were chosen because of their resistance to heat, sun, and malaria, not because they were black. It was easy to buy them from auctions in Africa. In Australia, they sometimes used white orphan children who were sold into slavery and written off as dead or adopted. People of all cultures (colors are for crayons), were enslaved. The racial spin came later. And you may not know this, but there were free blacks like Thomas Day who ran a furniture factory in the South, in the early 1800s and used black slaves. His grandfather was a doctor. His son reopened the factory after the Civil War. I find it curious that Thomas is celebrated for being a successful black businessman but gets a total pass for being a slave owner. There is even a statue of Thomas Day, and no one has pulled it down. “People's behaviors are messages, not a diagnosis because I can no longer discern the world's version of insanity.” ― Shannon L. Alder
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Post by Penn Guinn on Jan 26, 2022 4:19:25 GMT
They were too busy pulling down statues of abolitionists.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 26, 2022 14:16:21 GMT
Yep. And it was the whites who did it to the blacks. Whatever the initial reasons may be, it was turned strictly into a racist system: specifically that blacks were inferior and made to be slaves. As I said, other countries and cultures took slaves from anywhere. America made it so that blacks in particular were born into slavery for centuries.
I absolutely did know that. It doesn't change the history of slavery as a form of oppression against black people throughout the United States.
I find it curious people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are celebrated for freeing the American's from England's rule yet get a pass for being slave owners. There's even a whole mountain with their faces carved into it over Native American territory.
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Post by amyghost on Jan 26, 2022 17:44:52 GMT
One thing to keep in mind though, is that white people, especially in the United States, were the ones who really made slavery about race. As you said, even Africa had African slaves. It wasn't a race thing. Rome took slaves from anywhere. Native Americans took slaves from any tribe. However, white people turned slavery into systemic racism. They specifically targeted blacks as being inferior and therefore, perfect for being slaves. So on top of the horror of slavery, they added the disgust of racism to it. That more than anything is what continues to permeate modern society. It's not just about the legacy of slavery. It's about the legacy of racism that allowed slavery to thrive for hundreds of years. Blacks were chosen because of their resistance to heat, sun, and malaria, not because they were black. It was easy to buy them from auctions in Africa. In Australia, they sometimes used white orphan children who were sold into slavery and written off as dead or adopted. People of all cultures (colors are for crayons), were enslaved. The racial spin came later. And you may not know this, but there were free blacks like Thomas Day who ran a furniture factory in the South, in the early 1800s and used black slaves. His grandfather was a doctor. His son reopened the factory after the Civil War. I find it curious that Thomas is celebrated for being a successful black businessman but gets a total pass for being a slave owner. There is even a statue of Thomas Day, and no one has pulled it down. “People's behaviors are messages, not a diagnosis because I can no longer discern the world's version of insanity.” ― Shannon L. Alder There's an unintentionally humorous attempt at apologetics regarding Black slaveowners courtesy of the website The Root to be had here: www.theroot.com/did-black-people-own-slaves-1790895436suggesting that 'most' Black holders of slaves did so in order to protect their fellow Blacks. A few bad apples were in it for profit, of course; but as with many other actions that are held to be indefensible when engaged in by Whites (and justly so), Blacks frequently manage to receive a free pass for the same actions--no matter the amount of pretzel-twisting revisionism that has to be applied to make the shoe fit.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 27, 2022 6:48:15 GMT
Yep. And it was the whites who did it to the blacks. Whatever the initial reasons may be, it was turned strictly into a racist system: specifically that blacks were inferior and made to be slaves. As I said, other countries and cultures took slaves from anywhere. America made it so that blacks in particular were born into slavery for centuries. I absolutely did know that. It doesn't change the history of slavery as a form of oppression against black people throughout the United States. I find it curious people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are celebrated for freeing the American's from England's rule yet get a pass for being slave owners. There's even a whole mountain with their faces carved into it over Native American territory. Hmm, they get a pass, from who? No one gives them a pass, but they did great things and deserve to be remembered. Thomas Day owned slaves because he lived in an economy that ran on slaves, just as you live in an economy that poisons the water and air, but you are participating in it because you have no choice and neither did they. If they are evil, so are we. One last thing, Mt Rushmore isn't in native territory, it's in the United States of America. The indigenous people of the New World were conquered because they allowed outsiders to divide them. They fought each other instead of uniting against a common threat, looking around, things haven't changed much. Everywhere someone lives now, someone else lived there first. If you want to help black people, make your country stronger and more prosperous and united, vote for people based on what they do and not what they say.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 27, 2022 14:21:13 GMT
Yep. And it was the whites who did it to the blacks. Whatever the initial reasons may be, it was turned strictly into a racist system: specifically that blacks were inferior and made to be slaves. As I said, other countries and cultures took slaves from anywhere. America made it so that blacks in particular were born into slavery for centuries. I absolutely did know that. It doesn't change the history of slavery as a form of oppression against black people throughout the United States. I find it curious people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are celebrated for freeing the American's from England's rule yet get a pass for being slave owners. There's even a whole mountain with their faces carved into it over Native American territory. Hmm, they get a pass, from who? No one gives them a pass, but they did great things and deserve to be remembered. Thomas Day owned slaves because he lived in an economy that ran on slaves, just as you live in an economy that poisons the water and air, but you are participating in it because you have no choice and neither did they. If they are evil, so are we. One last thing, Mt Rushmore isn't in native territory, it's in the United States of America. The indigenous people of the New World were conquered because they allowed outsiders to divide them. They fought each other instead of uniting against a common threat, looking around, things haven't changed much. Everywhere someone lives now, someone else lived there first. If you want to help black people, make your country stronger and more prosperous and united, vote for people based on what they do and not what they say. They get a pass from people who call their deeds great and deserve remembrance while denouncing black people's success despite using the same tactics as white people. Sure, we're evil too. I can accept it and strive to be better by recycling, using more solar power, and volunteering to clean up around my community. Life is about working to do better. Not just accepting the world as it is. And yes, Mt. Rushmore is absolutely on Native American territory. The Black Hills were reserved for the Native Americans through a treaty with the U.S. government. They literally told them it was their land. But they reneged and took it. Please don't excuse a traitorous government's actions. Vote for people on the good they do, not defend the evils and lies of the past. And no, the Native Tribes did not allow outsiders to divide them. That's a gross misrepresentation that falsely supposes Native Americans all belonged to one giant, happy tribe all living in harmony. There was division long before Europeans set foot on the continent. History in the Americas did not begin when white people showed up, despite what History books may say.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 30, 2022 7:42:22 GMT
Hmm, they get a pass, from who? No one gives them a pass, but they did great things and deserve to be remembered. Thomas Day owned slaves because he lived in an economy that ran on slaves, just as you live in an economy that poisons the water and air, but you are participating in it because you have no choice and neither did they. If they are evil, so are we. One last thing, Mt Rushmore isn't in native territory, it's in the United States of America. The indigenous people of the New World were conquered because they allowed outsiders to divide them. They fought each other instead of uniting against a common threat, looking around, things haven't changed much. Everywhere someone lives now, someone else lived there first. If you want to help black people, make your country stronger and more prosperous and united, vote for people based on what they do and not what they say. They get a pass from people who call their deeds great and deserve remembrance while denouncing black people's success despite using the same tactics as white people. Sure, we're evil too. I can accept it and strive to be better by recycling, using more solar power, and volunteering to clean up around my community. Life is about working to do better. Not just accepting the world as it is. And yes, Mt. Rushmore is absolutely on Native American territory. The Black Hills were reserved for the Native Americans through a treaty with the U.S. government. They literally told them it was their land. But they reneged and took it. Please don't excuse a traitorous government's actions. Vote for people on the good they do, not defend the evils and lies of the past. And no, the Native Tribes did not allow outsiders to divide them. That's a gross misrepresentation that falsely supposes Native Americans all belonged to one giant, happy tribe all living in harmony. There was division long before Europeans set foot on the continent. History in the Americas did not begin when white people showed up, despite what History books may say. So you get a pass for participating in an economy that destroys lives, culture, and the environment because you toss a can in the recycle bin? Why don't you just stop participating in our economy that poisons the water? Isn't that how you are judging people of the past? You condemn them because they didn't cease to participate in the economy and culture into which they were born. Like I told Paul, it's easy to be angry about the past because you can't change it, so you don't have to do anything except shake your fist and appear righteous. Changing the present takes work. Living your convictions is hard.
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Post by theravenking on Jan 30, 2022 23:03:16 GMT
The irony about this is, that white people today are probably the least racist of all races. Asians, Arabs and even Africans are far more racist, but of course they rarely get called out for it.
And it's even more ironic that it was self-hating white people who started this whole "blaming the whites for all the ills of the world" thing and it has really gotten out of control by now.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 31, 2022 8:18:14 GMT
The irony about this is, that white people today are probably the least racist of all races. Asians, Arabs and even Africans are far more racist, but of course they rarely get called out for it. And it's even more ironic that it was self-hating white people who started this whole "blaming the whites for all the ills of the world" thing and it has really gotten out of control by now. Like the guest speaker hired by Harvard who claims architecture is racist because it was invented by white people. Apparently even Ivy League schools can only see in black and white now. Imagine those Greeks in their pointy Klan hats, rubbing their hands and laughing diabolically about how their columns would destroy blacks.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 31, 2022 15:00:50 GMT
They get a pass from people who call their deeds great and deserve remembrance while denouncing black people's success despite using the same tactics as white people. Sure, we're evil too. I can accept it and strive to be better by recycling, using more solar power, and volunteering to clean up around my community. Life is about working to do better. Not just accepting the world as it is. And yes, Mt. Rushmore is absolutely on Native American territory. The Black Hills were reserved for the Native Americans through a treaty with the U.S. government. They literally told them it was their land. But they reneged and took it. Please don't excuse a traitorous government's actions. Vote for people on the good they do, not defend the evils and lies of the past. And no, the Native Tribes did not allow outsiders to divide them. That's a gross misrepresentation that falsely supposes Native Americans all belonged to one giant, happy tribe all living in harmony. There was division long before Europeans set foot on the continent. History in the Americas did not begin when white people showed up, despite what History books may say. So you get a pass for participating in an economy that destroys lives, culture, and the environment because you toss a can in the recycle bin? Why don't you just stop participating in our economy that poisons the water? Isn't that how you are judging people of the past? You condemn them because they didn't cease to participate in the economy and culture into which they were born. Like I told Paul, it's easy to be angry about the past because you can't change it, so you don't have to do anything except shake your fist and appear righteous. Changing the present takes work. Living your convictions is hard. Who said I get a pass? I specifically included myself in being evil. That's why I used "we." And no, it's not just one can. Please do not attempt to use hyperbole. And please stop trying to make excuses for slavery and racism. It's crass. It wasn't some mere "economy and culture." Don't disguise them as anything less than what they were: they were slavery and racism. Two ideas that were considered inhuman even at the height of their popularity. Actually, living my convictions is easy. I just work to do my part in the present. But that doesn't mean I make excuses for the past. I can work in the present and be angry about the past. Whoever told you that's impossible lied to you.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 31, 2022 15:03:13 GMT
The irony about this is, that white people today are probably the least racist of all races. Asians, Arabs and even Africans are far more racist, but of course they rarely get called out for it. And it's even more ironic that it was self-hating white people who started this whole "blaming the whites for all the ills of the world" thing and it has really gotten out of control by now. I doubt any of that unless there's some observable and recordable data and metrics you've read.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 31, 2022 17:45:25 GMT
So you get a pass for participating in an economy that destroys lives, culture, and the environment because you toss a can in the recycle bin? Why don't you just stop participating in our economy that poisons the water? Isn't that how you are judging people of the past? You condemn them because they didn't cease to participate in the economy and culture into which they were born. Like I told Paul, it's easy to be angry about the past because you can't change it, so you don't have to do anything except shake your fist and appear righteous. Changing the present takes work. Living your convictions is hard. Who said I get a pass? I specifically included myself in being evil. That's why I used "we." And no, it's not just one can. Please do not attempt to use hyperbole. And please stop trying to make excuses for slavery and racism. It's crass. It wasn't some mere "economy and culture." Don't disguise them as anything less than what they were: they were slavery and racism. Two ideas that were considered inhuman even at the height of their popularity. Actually, living my convictions is easy. I just work to do my part in the present. But that doesn't mean I make excuses for the past. I can work in the present and be angry about the past. Whoever told you that's impossible lied to you. Oh no, not the ol', "stop making excuses...," speech. Your ill-considered opinions are not me making excuses, get over yourself. Hyperbole? You are the one claiming everyone is evil. I'll go with it ... you say everyone is evil, so it must be unavoidable, like original sin, right? Otherwise, you choose to be evil. So, if it's unavoidable, you are not responsible for your sin. So why does it apply to you and not to the past?
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