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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 31, 2022 19:59:23 GMT
Who said I get a pass? I specifically included myself in being evil. That's why I used "we." And no, it's not just one can. Please do not attempt to use hyperbole. And please stop trying to make excuses for slavery and racism. It's crass. It wasn't some mere "economy and culture." Don't disguise them as anything less than what they were: they were slavery and racism. Two ideas that were considered inhuman even at the height of their popularity. Actually, living my convictions is easy. I just work to do my part in the present. But that doesn't mean I make excuses for the past. I can work in the present and be angry about the past. Whoever told you that's impossible lied to you. Oh no, not the ol', "stop making excuses...," speech. Your ill-considered opinions are not me making excuses, get over yourself. Hyperbole? You are the one claiming everyone is evil. I'll go with it ... you say everyone is evil, so it must be unavoidable, like original sin, right? Otherwise, you choose to be evil. So, if it's unavoidable, you are not responsible for your sin. So why does it apply to you and not to the past? Actually, you're the one who claimed we were all evil originally. Do you see why I ask you not to use hyperbole? Don't do it. It derails the conversation. As for original sin, that only applies if you believe in the bible. But we're not discussing mythology here. We're discussing actual history, not theology so once again, the hyperbole is just going off track. And yes, you were making excuses by trying to pass off slavery as some mere economic system that people were forced into regardless of their actions. Which of course that's not true as the majority of Americans didn't even own slaves. So no, it was not some inescapable way of life for people. They chose to dehumanize Africans for their own benefit. Hence, why they mixed slavery with racism.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 2, 2022 4:30:28 GMT
Oh no, not the ol', "stop making excuses...," speech. Your ill-considered opinions are not me making excuses, get over yourself. Hyperbole? You are the one claiming everyone is evil. I'll go with it ... you say everyone is evil, so it must be unavoidable, like original sin, right? Otherwise, you choose to be evil. So, if it's unavoidable, you are not responsible for your sin. So why does it apply to you and not to the past? Actually, you're the one who claimed we were all evil originally. Do you see why I ask you not to use hyperbole? Don't do it. It derails the conversation. As for original sin, that only applies if you believe in the bible. But we're not discussing mythology here. We're discussing actual history, not theology so once again, the hyperbole is just going off track. And yes, you were making excuses by trying to pass off slavery as some mere economic system that people were forced into regardless of their actions. Which of course that's not true as the majority of Americans didn't even own slaves. So no, it was not some inescapable way of life for people. They chose to dehumanize Africans for their own benefit. Hence, why they mixed slavery with racism. Slavery was an economic system, it's not an excuse or hyperbole, it's just reality. Apparently, you have misunderstood my posts, I was being a bit cheeky, but I'll be more direct from now on. You keep dodging why you won't quit our economic system and the answer is, you can't, and neither could they. You aren't making sacrifices so why are condemning people of the past for not making sacrifices. You are no different than them. If you were born a slaver, you would have been a slaver. Hopefully that clears things up for you.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Feb 2, 2022 14:40:44 GMT
Actually, you're the one who claimed we were all evil originally. Do you see why I ask you not to use hyperbole? Don't do it. It derails the conversation. As for original sin, that only applies if you believe in the bible. But we're not discussing mythology here. We're discussing actual history, not theology so once again, the hyperbole is just going off track. And yes, you were making excuses by trying to pass off slavery as some mere economic system that people were forced into regardless of their actions. Which of course that's not true as the majority of Americans didn't even own slaves. So no, it was not some inescapable way of life for people. They chose to dehumanize Africans for their own benefit. Hence, why they mixed slavery with racism. Slavery was an economic system, it's not an excuse or hyperbole, it's just reality. Apparently, you have misunderstood my posts, I was being a bit cheeky, but I'll be more direct from now on. You keep dodging why you won't quit our economic system and the answer is, you can't, and neither could they. You aren't making sacrifices so why are condemning people of the past for not making sacrifices. You are no different than them. If you were born a slaver, you would have been a slaver. Hopefully that clears things up for you. Considering all the people who didn't own slaves and still made a living, no, it wasn't a mere economic system. And the fact that it was successfully abolished and many former slave owners still remained rich proves that it could be quit. Apparently, you misunderstood my posts. So I too shall be direct: White American slavers turned slavery (already an inhumane action even in their own time hundreds of years ago) into a systemically racist practice. They mixed the inhumanity of slavery with the inhumanity of racism. That is reality. Hopefully, that clears things up for you as well. And nope, saying I'm not making sacrifices or that I'm just like racist slave owners is just disingenuous at best and a lie at worst. But I do have to reiterate: stop engaging in hyperbole. You don't know how to use it.
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