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Post by clusium on Nov 8, 2021 21:59:09 GMT
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Post by rizdek on Nov 8, 2021 22:21:30 GMT
I doubt he actually wanted to kill...he had plenty of opportunity to kill long before being tackled. You don't walk to the platform waving a gun about asking congregation to stand if you're bent on killing. You just pull the gun out and start shooting. Looks more to me like he wanted attention. Of course they did the right thing to disarm him and hold him...the gun could've discharged accidentally....like in this case. So...who caused more damage, the guy who waved his gun around or this guy ostensibly showing people how to handle a gun safely?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 9, 2021 2:21:47 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Nov 10, 2021 16:47:46 GMT
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Post by maya55555 on Nov 10, 2021 18:14:17 GMT
I doubt he actually wanted to kill...he had plenty of opportunity to kill long before being tackled. You don't walk to the platform waving a gun about asking congregation to stand if you're bent on killing. You just pull the gun out and start shooting. Looks more to me like he wanted attention. Of course they did the right thing to disarm him and hold him...the gun could've discharged accidentally....like in this case. So...who caused more damage, the guy who waved his gun around or this guy ostensibly showing people how to handle a gun safely?
We do not actually know that he did not want to kill. Who was willing to find that out?
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Post by kls on Nov 11, 2021 11:05:31 GMT
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 11, 2021 13:44:56 GMT
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Post by kls on Nov 11, 2021 13:56:20 GMT
I thought it was called a commandment.
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Post by Isapop on Nov 11, 2021 18:24:58 GMT
I thought it was called a commandment. So with god it's all a matter of semantics? Making a distinction between "kill" and "murder" is merely a matter of semantics?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Nov 11, 2021 18:49:23 GMT
Making a distinction between "kill" and "murder" is merely a matter of semantics? Existentially, yes. The universe doesn't give a rat's ass. We're also talking about a translation of a translation of a transl ... And possibly the proofreader was drunk that day... There are older Bibles, printed in small batches as presses came into use, that actually had typos in them. From the Guardian, www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/21/10-baddest-mistakes-in-the-bible
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Post by Isapop on Nov 11, 2021 19:07:44 GMT
Existentially, yes. The universe doesn't give a rat's ass. We're also talking about a translation of a translation of a transl ... And possibly the proofreader was drunk that day... There are older Bibles, printed in small batches as presses came into use, that actually had typos in them. Quite right. And just as the difference between "Thou shalt commit adultery" and "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is not mere semantics, the difference between "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not murder" (while not as stark) is not mere semantics either.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Nov 11, 2021 20:11:35 GMT
RE: the non-semantics mentioned by IsapopJust watched a film in which a woman had been acquitted of MURDER because she had killed a man in self defense. She then proceeded to bemoan the fact that she could not convince her current lover that she had not " killed" the man (even tho' she HAD KILLED him. Neither she nor the script writers seemed to know the difference between KILL and MURDER. Not all who are killed are murdered.
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Post by kls on Nov 12, 2021 10:23:53 GMT
I thought it was called a commandment. So with god it's all a matter of semantics? It isn't semantics. All killing is not murder or unlawful.
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Post by lunda2222 on Nov 13, 2021 20:43:37 GMT
So with god it's all a matter of semantics? It isn't semantics. All killing is not murder or unlawful. Well since God murdered every man woman and child except Noah and his family (if you believe in the flood), it's not a commandment he is qualified to make anyway.
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Post by Zos on Nov 14, 2021 12:51:44 GMT
Yet murder is a legal construct not a moral one.
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Post by Zos on Nov 14, 2021 12:59:36 GMT
So with god it's all a matter of semantics? It isn't semantics. All killing is not murder or unlawful. Again what law? Biblical law from 2000 years ago is very different to the law now. Do you think it is alright to kill if the bible says it is okay but US law says it is murder? Which has priority ?
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Post by kls on Nov 14, 2021 13:18:53 GMT
It isn't semantics. All killing is not murder or unlawful. Again what law? Biblical law from 2000 years ago is very different to the law now. Do you think it is alright to kill if the bible says it is okay but US law says it is murder? Which has priority ? I didn't get into right or wrong. Just different definitions for different words. Personally I wouldn't condone taking a life unless in self defense or defense of another if someone else's life was in danger.
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Post by clusium on Nov 14, 2021 15:54:05 GMT
Yet murder is a legal construct not a moral one. Actually, it is both.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Dec 6, 2021 21:54:12 GMT
So with god it's all a matter of semantics? It isn't semantics. All killing is not murder or unlawful. Quite right, just think of abortion.
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