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Post by darkpast on Nov 16, 2021 4:59:11 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 16, 2021 13:11:11 GMT
This is also true for superhero movies.
It's ironic when directors go off about different kinds of films, when they themselves should know how difficult it can be for some genres to resonate with audiences. Sci-fi flicks for example hardly ever win awards because general audiences have a hard time wrapping their heads around what's being portrayed on screen. Some people just hate fantasy because they can't see beyond the elves or magic wands or whatever to the very human story being portrayed.
Also, Ridley, more than one poster on this site has referred to Blade Runner as "boring as shit," so you know how it goes. You can't please 'em all.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 18, 2021 9:37:18 GMT
I can get Martin Scorsese slamming the superhero genre, but Ridley Scott? Ā Scorceseās films can be more cartoonish than Ridley Scottās, who I rate higher myself. The MCU and DCU have been mediocre to terrible for the most part so I donāt think heās wrong. The genre has potential but rarely does it reach it.
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Post by Lux on Nov 18, 2021 11:22:24 GMT
I can get Martin Scorsese slamming the superhero genre, but Ridley Scott? Ā Scorceseās films can be more cartoonish than Ridley Scottās, who I rate higher myself. The MCU and DCU have been mediocre to terrible for the most part so I donāt think heās wrong. The genre has potential but rarely does it reach it. If they've been mediocre to terrible then why are you here? Was IronMan2 mediocre or terrible?
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 18, 2021 15:24:49 GMT
Scorceseās films can be more cartoonish than Ridley Scottās, who I rate higher myself. The MCU and DCU have been mediocre to terrible for the most part so I donāt think heās wrong. The genre has potential but rarely does it reach it. If they've been mediocre to terrible then why are you here? Was IronMan2 mediocre or terrible? I said āfor the most partā. And Iām here because I love Marvel, and live in hope that they improve their cinematic offerings.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 18, 2021 17:06:50 GMT
That's pretty rich coming from the guy that did Legend (1985), one of the most beautiful looking fantasy films ever. But it's boring as hell.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 18, 2021 17:30:29 GMT
This is also true for superhero movies. It's ironic when directors go off about different kinds of films, when they themselves should know how difficult it can be for some genres to resonate with audiences. Sci-fi flicks for example hardly ever win awards because general audiences have a hard time wrapping their heads around what's being portrayed on screen. Some people just hate fantasy because they can't see beyond the elves or magic wands or whatever to the very human story being portrayed. Also, Ridley, more than one poster on this site has referred to Blade Runner as "boring as shit," so you know how it goes. You can't please 'em all. What made MCU movies so successful was precisely because they were (most of the time) extremely character-focused, particularly on the protagonist.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 26, 2021 20:09:03 GMT
Stellan Skarsgard has words: When appearing at the Gotenberg Film Festival, the actor made a number of points about the criticism given to Marvelās work by Scorsese and had some interesting things to say at the time. āWhat Martin Scorsese wrote in his article [in NYT] was not that it was Marvelās fault because itās not and he knows that. The fault is that we have, for decades, believed that the market should rule everything and that the rich should get richer. And that is the root of it all because what has happened is that all the different small distribution companies have been erased. Itās a monopoly everywhere.ā
He continued, āSome film companies are not anymore run by people who want to make money specifically out of the film because they like the film. They are run by big corporations that want 10% back on their invested capital. Which means that as long as they sell popcorn, itās fine. Thatās why all the mid-range films lower than 100 million dollars in budget and over 3 million dollars in budget, they donāt exist anymore.āIn conclusion, he added, āMid-range films are those that can slowly grow in the cinema. They opened in a few cinemas and they went for years. One Flew Over The Cuckooās Nest was continuously running in Stockholm for 20 years. That will not happen now. So itās not all the fault of Marvel. Itās the fault of an idea about how the economical systems of the world should work. Because these systems are all fiction, but the fiction that we have had for the last couple of decades has led to this.ā
In The Guardian, Skarsgard expanded on this, explaining that while he doesnāt have any issues with superhero movies, the market has turned them into all-encompassing giants that prevent āmid-budgetā movies from finding their true success. He explained: āIāve got nothing against superhero movies. Iāve been in a couple and they definitely have a place. The problem is that the system that allows eight people to own half of the wealth in the world enhances the power of the market forces, so small and independent cinemas rarely exist any more outside a few big cities. Thereās no distribution channels for all the mid-budget films that have the best actors, the best writing, because they canāt throw up $3m for a marketing campaign. When cinemas let them in, they do so for one week and if it doesnāt pay off in a week, theyāre gone.
Remember that The Godfather first opened in 100 cinemas in the United States ā big films now open in 4,000. They had small ads in the New York Times, but it grew and grew because it was such a good film. The peopleās opinion has no chance any more. And that is sad.
I think that we should have Marvel films and more rollercoaster films. We should have other films, too. And thatās the sad thing: when raw market forces come in, studios start being run by companies that donāt care if theyāre dealing in films or toothpaste so long as they get their 10% [return]. When AT&T took over Time Warner, it immediately told HBO to become lighter and more commercial. They were always making money. But not enough for an investor.ā movieweb.com/stellan-skarsgrd-scott-scorseses-marvel/
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Post by Lux on Nov 26, 2021 23:35:59 GMT
Stellan Skarsgard has words: When appearing at the Gotenberg Film Festival, the actor made a number of points about the criticism given to Marvelās work by Scorsese and had some interesting things to say at the time. āWhat Martin Scorsese wrote in his article [in NYT] was not that it was Marvelās fault because itās not and he knows that. The fault is that we have, for decades, believed that the market should rule everything and that the rich should get richer. And that is the root of it all because what has happened is that all the different small distribution companies have been erased. Itās a monopoly everywhere.ā
He continued, āSome film companies are not anymore run by people who want to make money specifically out of the film because they like the film. They are run by big corporations that want 10% back on their invested capital. Which means that as long as they sell popcorn, itās fine. Thatās why all the mid-range films lower than 100 million dollars in budget and over 3 million dollars in budget, they donāt exist anymore.āIn conclusion, he added, āMid-range films are those that can slowly grow in the cinema. They opened in a few cinemas and they went for years. One Flew Over The Cuckooās Nest was continuously running in Stockholm for 20 years. That will not happen now. So itās not all the fault of Marvel. Itās the fault of an idea about how the economical systems of the world should work. Because these systems are all fiction, but the fiction that we have had for the last couple of decades has led to this.ā
In The Guardian, Skarsgard expanded on this, explaining that while he doesnāt have any issues with superhero movies, the market has turned them into all-encompassing giants that prevent āmid-budgetā movies from finding their true success. He explained: āIāve got nothing against superhero movies. Iāve been in a couple and they definitely have a place. The problem is that the system that allows eight people to own half of the wealth in the world enhances the power of the market forces, so small and independent cinemas rarely exist any more outside a few big cities. Thereās no distribution channels for all the mid-budget films that have the best actors, the best writing, because they canāt throw up $3m for a marketing campaign. When cinemas let them in, they do so for one week and if it doesnāt pay off in a week, theyāre gone.
Remember that The Godfather first opened in 100 cinemas in the United States ā big films now open in 4,000. They had small ads in the New York Times, but it grew and grew because it was such a good film. The peopleās opinion has no chance any more. And that is sad.
I think that we should have Marvel films and more rollercoaster films. We should have other films, too. And thatās the sad thing: when raw market forces come in, studios start being run by companies that donāt care if theyāre dealing in films or toothpaste so long as they get their 10% [return]. When AT&T took over Time Warner, it immediately told HBO to become lighter and more commercial. They were always making money. But not enough for an investor.ā movieweb.com/stellan-skarsgrd-scott-scorseses-marvel/There are plenty of small and independent movies that are released and get plenty of advertisement too.
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