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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 19, 2021 9:20:52 GMT
I laugh when things are funny, you are not funny. Like what do you think is funny? The suffering of the human race.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 19, 2021 9:23:53 GMT
The suffering of the human race. That's so funny. No its not. But to give you a serious answer, I think Blackadder is funny.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 19, 2021 10:28:55 GMT
No its not.But to give you a serious answer, I think Blackadder is funny. Of course it's not. Did you think I was serious?  No I thought you where being saracstic.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 19, 2021 10:41:03 GMT
No I thought you where being saracstic. Sarcasm is humor. It is when its done well. You are just bad at it. Sorry to break it to you. But you are not funny.
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2021 17:21:26 GMT
They need to feel superior even in death Who's they? Oh.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 20, 2021 3:02:49 GMT
Death is just a thing, we can't avoid it, we can't change it. There is no point worrying about it. I personally would like if there was an afterlife, and I act as if there is, although I am one of the (probably minority) of Christians that think that the true message of Christianity is transformation of the current life not reward in the next, so the existence of an after life is not a required part of my faith. It doesn't matter that there isn't a point in worrying about it. We simply do. If we didn't have those worries and fears about death, I don't think we would be as good at surviving. I do appreciate your more realist view of Christianity though. I assume you mean that the message of Christianity the way you see it, is to try and make this life as good and as moral as possible. Yeah I mean the fundamental thing for humans in all fantasy roleplaying games is that they are better at learning because their shorter lifespan forces urgency. Yes, making this life good and moral in terms of my outwards actions and making this life abundant and joyful in terms of my inner mental state. That is to say to bring the kingdom of heaven that we live in to the forefront of my existence.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2021 3:16:33 GMT
It doesn't matter that there isn't a point in worrying about it. We simply do. If we didn't have those worries and fears about death, I don't think we would be as good at surviving. I do appreciate your more realist view of Christianity though. I assume you mean that the message of Christianity the way you see it, is to try and make this life as good and as moral as possible. Yeah I mean the fundamental thing for humans in all fantasy roleplaying games is that they are better at learning because their shorter lifespan forces urgency. Yes, making this life good and moral in terms of my outwards actions and making this life abundant and joyful in terms of my inner mental state. That is to say to bring the kingdom of heaven that we live in to the forefront of my existence. There are people who care more than others about staying alive though and there are certainly a lot of people who see it like a game they need to win, rather than just living it.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 20, 2021 6:17:33 GMT
Yeah I mean the fundamental thing for humans in all fantasy roleplaying games is that they are better at learning because their shorter lifespan forces urgency. Yes, making this life good and moral in terms of my outwards actions and making this life abundant and joyful in terms of my inner mental state. That is to say to bring the kingdom of heaven that we live in to the forefront of my existence. There are people who care more than others about staying alive though and there are certainly a lot of people who see it like a game they need to win, rather than just living it. Yeah I think we are all at different stages in our growth I think.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 28, 2021 3:39:17 GMT
I appreciate the poetic ideas of death and becoming part of the universe, but is that YOU anymore? Doesn't matter. There's nothing particularly important about 'me'. I'm a ghost in a dream.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 28, 2021 9:42:28 GMT
I appreciate the poetic ideas of death and becoming part of the universe, but is that YOU anymore? Doesn't matter. There's nothing particularly important about 'me'.
I'm a ghost in a dream. So if you died tomorrow, that wouldn't bother you at all? There may be nothing objectively important about you, but aren't you important to yourself? If not than why would you need poetic language for death? If there is nothing important about you then why would you care about this idea of becoming part of the universe?
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Post by gadreel on Nov 29, 2021 21:25:24 GMT
Death is just a thing, we can't avoid it, we can't change it. There is no point worrying about it. I personally would like if there was an afterlife, and I act as if there is, although I am one of the (probably minority) of Christians that think that the true message of Christianity is transformation of the current life not reward in the next, so the existence of an after life is not a required part of my faith. Buddhist Christian? Me? No hermetic christian I guess. There are a lot of similarities though as a lot of the mystic teachers took a living tradition from buddhism.
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Post by Admin on Nov 30, 2021 3:03:06 GMT
We are not expected to be eternal. Weren't Adam and Eve expected to be eternal as long as they didn't nibble on that tree?
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Post by Admin on Nov 30, 2021 3:37:22 GMT
Weren't Adam and Eve expected to be eternal as long as they didn't nibble on that tree? That's a whole other story. Lol. Satan as the protector of man's free will. What use is a man if he doesn't have knowledge? Death and knowledge go hand in hand. In the context of God creating us, you said we weren't expected to be eternal. Pointing out that A&E were presumably expected to be eternal doesn't sound like a whole other story to me.
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Post by Admin on Nov 30, 2021 4:03:02 GMT
In the context of God creating us, you said we weren't expected to be eternal. Pointing out that A&E were presumably expected to be eternal doesn't sound like a whole other story to me. The Bible is a mish mash though. These are different prophets expressing different ideas. If King Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes as I've heard, he was an existentialist before Sartre. There was an Othodox Jewish woman on IMDb who told me that only Jews are given eternal life anyway. We gentiles are just here for a very short ride.
Ecclesiastes, however, is a whole other story.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 30, 2021 17:50:03 GMT
Me? No hermetic christian I guess. There are a lot of similarities though as a lot of the mystic teachers took a living tradition from buddhism. For you are dust, And to dust you shall return
That line is so pithy. I love it. True Judeo-Christian existentialism, unlike anything else in the entire Bible. And it promises nothing.
You raise an interesting point. I suspect there is a God more than I trust there is an afterlife.
It seems he only created us for this short life span of less than a century. We are not expected to be eternal.
But that doesn't mean we are not accountable. And we must reject nihilism, and we must live a righteous life nonetheless.
You hit on a couple of interesting points. I have two stances on God™ I ascribe to the idea that the universe is best interpreted as if it was created by intention, and was in fact created as an outpouring of thought. Not because it is truer than any other creation claim (including that made by science), instead because it fits the way I chose to interpret the creation of the universe. This is not a truth claim as far as I am concerned, just a choice of understanding. I also happen to talk to God™ and make demands of it and thank it, this I do not have an explanation for, it may well be just that there is no one else in my life to talk to. But neither of these stances or choices indicates an afterlife. As I say I would love there to be one, but God™ the creation force could be just as uncaring as the Big Bang. There is a possibility in the way I choose to interpret the universe in that you can come to the conclusion that material matter is an illusion. That may or may not be the case, regardless the fact is that our experience is real, so it could be a 'fake' universe and mean nothing, however we are in this universe and so must treat it as if it is as real as it feels.
I don't know about eternity, as we have said before, I think the fact that a human life is limited can act as incentive to achieve.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 30, 2021 17:57:40 GMT
We are not expected to be eternal. Weren't Adam and Eve expected to be eternal as long as they didn't nibble on that tree?
There are other passages in the Bible that indicate death is a consequence of sin which implies that the sinless creature would be immortal. I choose to read that as allegory describing our fallen state of sin, meaning as we are separated from the essence of God™ then our existence is finite.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 1, 2021 18:29:24 GMT
You hit on a couple of interesting points. I have two stances on God™ I ascribe to the idea that the universe is best interpreted as if it was created by intention, and was in fact created as an outpouring of thought. Not because it is truer than any other creation claim (including that made by science), instead because it fits the way I chose to interpret the creation of the universe. This is not a truth claim as far as I am concerned, just a choice of understanding. I also happen to talk to God™ and make demands of it and thank it, this I do not have an explanation for, it may well be just that there is no one else in my life to talk to. But neither of these stances or choices indicates an afterlife. As I say I would love there to be one, but God™ the creation force could be just as uncaring as the Big Bang. There is a possibility in the way I choose to interpret the universe in that you can come to the conclusion that material matter is an illusion. That may or may not be the case, regardless the fact is that our experience is real, so it could be a 'fake' universe and mean nothing, however we are in this universe and so must treat it as if it is as real as it feels.
I don't know about eternity, as we have said before, I think the fact that a human life is limited can act as incentive to achieve.
The Big Bang indicates planning to me more than happenstance. But then all of existence for all of eternity infinitely may have been a series of Big Bangs and expansion.
And god might be caring, but still not feel it necessary that a human exist more than 70 or so years.
Also when we say "god" we could be talking about Zeus. This creator is obviously nothing like we can even fathom. It's not even a "god".
Actually I read a theory once (of course I cant find it any more) that the big bang was something that repeated itself ad infinitum. Yeah God is sometimes referred to as Ain Soph Ur (prolly spelled wrong) meaning the unknown, the theory being that we cannot know the creation source, only it's affect on creation, that its to say the great outpouring.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 3, 2021 1:06:44 GMT
Actually I read a theory once (of course I cant find it any more) that the big bang was something that repeated itself ad infinitum. Yeah God is sometimes referred to as Ain Soph Ur (prolly spelled wrong) meaning the unknown, the theory being that we cannot know the creation source, only it's affect on creation, that its to say the great outpouring. Don't you think that if the Big Bang was a one time event, it would definitely indicate a Prime Mover or God? But if it's a repetitious phenomenon, it could be completely materialistic.
What do you think of the Mormon belief that eternal life for a being would eventually lead to godhood? If it's eternal with no end that would be it's natural course.
Yes, the theory I read suggested that a natural bug bang event would create equal parts matter and anti matter and so immediately destroy itself, but for some reason our big bang created different levels and so was created, i will try to find the piece I was reading, but it was years ago.
that is quite a common belief in Christian mysticism.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 7, 2021 17:23:11 GMT
Yes, the theory I read suggested that a natural bug bang event would create equal parts matter and anti matter and so immediately destroy itself, but for some reason our big bang created different levels and so was created, i will try to find the piece I was reading, but it was years ago.
that is quite a common belief in Christian mysticism.
The pre-universe could have been equal parts annihilating each other for near infinity until something slowed one part down. That slowdown could have been just .0000000000001, or really any number of zeros in front of the one, of a second. And since the ancient Hebrews’ cosmology was conceived like this…  …or this…  …do you think they understood the concept of infinity? Do I think they understood the concept of infinity? Hm I think I am missing your point.
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Post by drystyx on Dec 7, 2021 17:33:23 GMT
I think death is a natural thing, and its silly to fear it.
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