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Post by maya55555 on Nov 18, 2021 20:40:20 GMT
To make you smile:
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 22, 2021 15:09:15 GMT
You realize that song is about gay sex in the locker room at the YMCA, right?  And so is "In the Navy", that's what I like about pre-Internet era, conservative parents probably just thought "YMCA" was just some cute, funny disco song their kids liked to sing along to, they didn't realize it was a gay sex anthem.
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Post by Admin on Nov 22, 2021 17:33:44 GMT
You realize that song is about gay sex in the locker room at the YMCA, right? There’s nothing in the lyrics that says that. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 22, 2021 17:41:44 GMT
You realize that song is about gay sex in the locker room at the YMCA, right? There’s nothing in the lyrics that says that. It doesn't EXPLICITLY say that, but that is what the song is about, this a pretty well known fact, the YMCA was (still is?) a pretty well known hook up spot for gay men (the Village People themselves even admit that's what the song is about)
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Post by Admin on Nov 23, 2021 2:45:31 GMT
There’s nothing in the lyrics that says that. Exactly, it was a sly way for gay men to fuck with breeders. Every faggot knew what it was about. Yes, and the Washington Monument is a penis. The guy who wrote the lyrics to YMCA denies the allegation, but since his affection for double entendres is well known, it is assumed.
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Post by Admin on Nov 23, 2021 3:55:50 GMT
Yes, and the Washington Monument is a penis. The guy who wrote the lyrics to YMCA denies the allegation, but since his affection for double entendres is well known, it is assumed. That's called revisionist history. Of course he's old now and has regrets.  These guys are 100% heterosexual!:
Well, the guy who wrote the song said it wasn't intended to be a gay anthem. I'm sure he's fine with it being one anyway, but unless you're accusing him of lying, the revisionist is on your side of the table.
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Post by Admin on Nov 23, 2021 4:41:44 GMT
Well, the guy who wrote the song said it wasn't intended to be a gay anthem. I'm sure he's fine with it being one anyway, but unless you're accusing him of lying, the revisionist is on your side of the table. I think this is a case of exploiting your audience, making your bucks, and after you're done, you can say whatever you want. Village People definitely built their careers playing gay clubs. Most of them from what I know are gay. Though I've heard there are a couple of straight males who went along for the ride. Dude, they pandered to a gay crowd to build their careers. If the composer is trying to claim that didn't happen 40 years later, he's a hypocrite.
"The initial goal of Village People producers Morali and Belolo was to attract disco's gay audience by featuring popular gay fantasy in their music. [...] Conversely, Willis had said that he did not write 'Y.M.C.A.' as a gay anthem, but rather as a reflection of the fun activities that young urban black youth experienced at YMCA." It's all right there on Wiki, although I didn't check the sources. So a gay man writes a song about the YMCA and specifically states that it's actually about the YMCA and not a gay anthem, but he isn't to be believed because the gay community says otherwise. Ok.
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Post by Admin on Nov 23, 2021 5:31:51 GMT
I don't give a rat's ass what he says. Well alrighty then.
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 23, 2021 10:35:33 GMT
That's called revisionist history. Of course he's old now and has regrets. These guys are 100% heterosexual!:
Well, the guy who wrote the song said it wasn't intended to be a gay anthem. I'm sure he's fine with it being one anyway, but unless you're accusing him of lying, the revisionist is on your side of the table. Even if he didn’t intend it that way he should have looked at who was singing it. Mind you, he might have been like an old manager of mine who told me she once thought gay men didn’t have sex but liked to go shopping.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 23, 2021 23:12:50 GMT
I don't give a rat's ass what he says. YMCA's are legendary as gay pickup spots. And they exploited the song for that purpose. Maybe he was stupid enough and heterosexual enough to think he was writing about boys snapping each others butts with towels. But the producers intended it and the group played it as gay double entendre about sex in a YMCA locker room. Thats kind of an interesting stance, not that I disagree with it. Here we have a song that was written by a straight man (admittedly for a gay group) and used as a gay anthem for decades, then the writer comes out and says he never intended that reading of the lyrics. To be clear his tweet was that Y.M.C.A was not about <b>ILLICIT</b> gay sex, although I think ALL gay sex was illegal at the time, so the distinction escapes me. The interesting point though is that he clearly believes that he did not write it referring to gay sex, and that it was supposed to be innocent. Now I dont see any reason for him to lie, do you think it is possible he wrote it with the intentions he had, knowing full well it would be co-opted, I mean the statements he made suggest he is happy with it being a gay anthem, just that it was not his intention.
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 24, 2021 2:32:05 GMT
Even if he didn’t intend it that way he should have looked at who was singing it. Mind you, he might have been like an old manager of mine who told me she once thought gay men didn’t have sex but liked to go shopping. I guess "shopping" is one way to describe it. I guess the Boy's Town Gang summed it up perfectly with Cruisin The Street.
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Post by Admin on Nov 24, 2021 4:23:15 GMT
I researched it a bit and it's a bit more complicated than that. It was written by both Jacques Morali (who was the group's gay producer) and Victor Willis (who was the group's straight lead singer). It sounds like straight man Willis is saying it is not about gay sex. My point here is that he is an old heterosexual man now, but he obviously let the gay producer Morali market it as a gay song back in the 70's. Where do you see that it was marketed as a "gay song"?
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 24, 2021 10:48:40 GMT
The Village People Saga goes to another level when you reach the cinematic masterpiece known as You Can’t Stop The Music. It was the acting debut of the athlete formally known as Bruce Jenner (see below) and apparently the production was often interrupted by people thinking they were protesting against Cruising which was also being filmed in New York at the time.  |
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Post by gadreel on Nov 24, 2021 17:44:18 GMT
Thats kind of an interesting stance, not that I disagree with it. Here we have a song that was written by a straight man (admittedly for a gay group) and used as a gay anthem for decades, then the writer comes out and says he never intended that reading of the lyrics. To be clear his tweet was that Y.M.C.A was not about <b>ILLICIT</b> gay sex, although I think ALL gay sex was illegal at the time, so the distinction escapes me. The interesting point though is that he clearly believes that he did not write it referring to gay sex, and that it was supposed to be innocent. Now I dont see any reason for him to lie, do you think it is possible he wrote it with the intentions he had, knowing full well it would be co-opted, I mean the statements he made suggest he is happy with it being a gay anthem, just that it was not his intention. I researched it a bit and it's a bit more complicated than that. It was written by both Jacques Morali (who was the group's gay producer) and Victor Willis (who was the group's straight lead singer). It sounds like straight man Willis is saying it is not about gay sex. My point here is that he is an old heterosexual man now, but he obviously let the gay producer Morali market it as a gay song back in the 70's.
So YMCA's were popular gay cruising spots in the 70's. The producer Morali is himself gay and organized the group to play gay clubs. But Willis is saying for his part in it, there is nothing "gay" about the song?
Does this pass the credibility test to you?
I think it sounds very naive from Willis, I think he is saying the song itself was written by him without intending to be gay itself, which at the very least is short sighted of a guy in that position.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 24, 2021 18:37:01 GMT
I researched it a bit and it's a bit more complicated than that. It was written by both Jacques Morali (who was the group's gay producer) and Victor Willis (who was the group's straight lead singer). It sounds like straight man Willis is saying it is not about gay sex. My point here is that he is an old heterosexual man now, but he obviously let the gay producer Morali market it as a gay song back in the 70's. Where do you see that it was marketed as a "gay song"? I'd have to look it up, but I would imagine it was played extensively at gay night clubs. Disco in general was associated with gay culture, Diana Ross even made an explicity gay disco anthem ("I'm Coming Out") at time when the topic was till rather taboo.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 24, 2021 20:40:54 GMT
I think it sounds very naive from Willis, I think he is saying the song itself was written by him without intending to be gay itself, which at the very least is short sighted of a guy in that position. Straight males have a tendency to try and distance themselves from anything which might indicate they know anything about "teh gay". I think that's what's going on here. If him and Morali collaborated on the song I have a hard time believing Willis doesn't know what it's about.  Thats a really interesting observation, as a straight male, I don't really give a fuck if people think I am gay or not, in fact because of my mannerisms a lot of people assume I am (although that is getting less common as the standard straight male evolves slowly), so I don't even consider that. I am beginning to lean towards your point of view a bit, although I suspect that Willis is in fact just doing a really good job of deluding himself as opposed to being wilfully ignorant or somehow oblivious, maybe he really thought he was not writing a gay anthem and so wrote the words with that in mind, and then deluded himself about the rest, maybe he is just trying to rewrite history I guess too. The whole standard mindset western men get drawn into can be very deceiving.
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Post by Admin on Nov 24, 2021 20:54:02 GMT
Where do you see that it was marketed as a "gay song"? I'd have to look it up, but I would imagine it was played extensively at gay night clubs. Disco in general was associated with gay culture, Diana Ross even made an explicity gay disco anthem ("I'm Coming Out") at time when the topic was till rather taboo. It was played extensively everywhere. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 24, 2021 21:42:04 GMT
I'd have to look it up, but I would imagine it was played extensively at gay night clubs. Disco in general was associated with gay culture, Diana Ross even made an explicity gay disco anthem ("I'm Coming Out") at time when the topic was till rather taboo. It was played extensively everywhere. I don't see how that contradicts what I said. Obviously it wasn't marketed EXLCUSIVELY to gay men, but the Village People (and disco in general) was marketed heavily towards them, they were one of the biggest consumers of the genre. In fact disco was probably the first music genre to be heavily associated with gay culture (synth pop and house music came afterwards).
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Post by Admin on Nov 24, 2021 22:23:24 GMT
It was played extensively everywhere. I don't see how that contradicts what I said. Obviously it wasn't marketed EXLCUSIVELY to gay men, but the Village People (and disco in general) was marketed heavily towards them, they were one of the biggest consumers of the genre. In fact disco was probably the first music genre to be heavily associated with gay culture (synth pop and house music came afterwards). I'm not trying to contradict. If the song was played extensively everywhere (which it was and still kinda is), why single out the gay clubs? Sounds like a clear case of confirmation bias to me.
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