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Post by Lux on Nov 19, 2021 14:22:57 GMT
Pacino can claim maybe the best film character ever with Michael Corleone but always been more of a Nicholson fan. That word "maybe" has just saved you. You owe the word your life that's how much.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Nov 19, 2021 14:30:22 GMT
Pacino can claim maybe the best film character ever with Michael Corleone but always been more of a Nicholson fan. That word "maybe" has just saved you. You owe the word your life that's how much.
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Post by marth on Nov 19, 2021 18:03:54 GMT
My vote goes to: He can´t believe the poll results so far.
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Post by sjg on Nov 19, 2021 18:39:23 GMT
Al Pacino
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 19, 2021 20:03:17 GMT
If it wasn't for 1980's Nicholson I would probably go with Pacino. I'm not sure the 80s is even Jack's best decade. And using the fact that Al got a bit over the top after Scarface as a con in favor of JACK NICHOLSON of all people is kinda ironic. Fair enough if you think Jack is funnier or more entertaining at it, though.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 19, 2021 23:25:43 GMT
If it wasn't for 1980's Nicholson I would probably go with Pacino. I'm not sure the 80s is even Jack's best decade. And using the fact that Al got a bit over the top after Scarface as a con in favor of JACK NICHOLSON of all people is kinda ironic. Fair enough if you think Jack is funnier or more entertaining at it, though. I am saying that 80s is where Nicholsosn has a big edge over Pacino. '70s was the beest decade for both actors by far imo. When I said I have issues with Pacino going OTT after Scarface, I am talking about in a way that sometimes can get on my nerves. Jack Nicholson went OTT too, but not usually in way that bugs me. I am only talking about certain scenes in Pacino's movies, not just that he went OTT. That he went OTT in sometimes grating ways. Heat for example. I know that the script has him as having a drug habit, but he has some cringe-y moments in the movie imo. You are correct though that Nicholson started going more OTT after The Shining, but I generally just prefer his OTT-ness to Pacino's and I did say that the main reason I prefer Nicholson is because he has a level of charisma and screen presence that few other actors have, so it is a combination of things. Nicolas Cage is one of my favorite actors too and in his case it is in part because of how OTT he can get, so it just depends on how fun I find the actor to be when they go OTT.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 19, 2021 23:47:27 GMT
I'm not sure the 80s is even Jack's best decade. And using the fact that Al got a bit over the top after Scarface as a con in favor of JACK NICHOLSON of all people is kinda ironic. Fair enough if you think Jack is funnier or more entertaining at it, though. I am saying that 80s is where Nicholsosn has a big edge over Pacino. '70s was the beest decade for both actors by far imo. When I said I have issues with Pacino going OTT after Scarface, I am talking about in a way that sometimes can get on my nerves. Jack Nicholson went OTT too, but not in way that bugs me. I am only talking about certain scenes in Pacino's movies, not just that he went OTT. That he went OTT in sometimes grating ways. Heat for example. I know that the script has him as having a drug habit, but he has some cringe-y moments in the movie imo. He had an even bigger edge over him in the 2000s. They go back and forth on better decade. 90s is kind of a draw, and Jack retired in the 10s while Al had something of a comeback. Easier for me to just go performance by performance, and Al has more of my favorites than Jack. Don't you find Jack annoying in Mars Attacks? I actually agree with you on Heat, but that's one of the only times I really found his scenery chewing inappropriate. It fits stuff like Dick Tracy and Devil's Advocate.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2021 0:02:00 GMT
I am saying that 80s is where Nicholsosn has a big edge over Pacino. '70s was the beest decade for both actors by far imo. When I said I have issues with Pacino going OTT after Scarface, I am talking about in a way that sometimes can get on my nerves. Jack Nicholson went OTT too, but not in way that bugs me. I am only talking about certain scenes in Pacino's movies, not just that he went OTT. That he went OTT in sometimes grating ways. Heat for example. I know that the script has him as having a drug habit, but he has some cringe-y moments in the movie imo. He had an even bigger edge over him in the 2000s. They go back and forth on better decade. 90s is kind of a draw, and Jack retired in the 10s while Al had something of a comeback. Easier for me to just go performance by performance, and Al has more of my favorites than Jack. Don't you find Jack annoying in Mars Attacks? I actually agree with you on Heat, but that's one of the only times I really found his scenery chewing inappropriate. It fits stuff like Dick Tracy and Devil's Advocate. Yes. I agree it fits Dick Tracy, but I still find him bothersome in it. Same with The Devil's Advocate at times. He breaks character in the latter imo and just starts to play Pacino rather than Satan. His first scene is great and then his performance goes back and forth between him playing a character and him playing Pacino. The difference is also that Nicholson has always sort of played Nicholson to some extent, so it isn't as noticeable with him. Performance by performance is about who is the more talented actor, but there is a big distinction between favorite and best for me.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2021 0:55:01 GMT
I am saying that 80s is where Nicholsosn has a big edge over Pacino. '70s was the beest decade for both actors by far imo. When I said I have issues with Pacino going OTT after Scarface, I am talking about in a way that sometimes can get on my nerves. Jack Nicholson went OTT too, but not in way that bugs me. I am only talking about certain scenes in Pacino's movies, not just that he went OTT. That he went OTT in sometimes grating ways. Heat for example. I know that the script has him as having a drug habit, but he has some cringe-y moments in the movie imo. He had an even bigger edge over him in the 2000s. They go back and forth on better decade. 90s is kind of a draw, and Jack retired in the 10s while Al had something of a comeback. Easier for me to just go performance by performance, and Al has more of my favorites than Jack. Don't you find Jack annoying in Mars Attacks? I actually agree with you on Heat, but that's one of the only times I really found his scenery chewing inappropriate. It fits stuff like Dick Tracy and Devil's Advocate. One more thing and I'll leave it be. Al Pacino has more performances I either dislike or am indifferent towards, particularly the 2000s and after. He often loos unenthusiastic in these movies, even some of the ones where his performances are decent. Like he just got out of bed. The Irishman was a wonderful return to form. Martin Scorsese even got him to comb his hair and shave his goatee.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 20, 2021 0:56:14 GMT
He had an even bigger edge over him in the 2000s. They go back and forth on better decade. 90s is kind of a draw, and Jack retired in the 10s while Al had something of a comeback. Easier for me to just go performance by performance, and Al has more of my favorites than Jack. Don't you find Jack annoying in Mars Attacks? I actually agree with you on Heat, but that's one of the only times I really found his scenery chewing inappropriate. It fits stuff like Dick Tracy and Devil's Advocate. I am almost tempted to make a list ranking all their performances together, but that would take me a while. I can do a rough top 10. The Godfather Part II Dog Day Afternoon The Godfather One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest The Shining You Don't Know Jack As Good As It Gets Glengarry Glen Ross ... and justice for all About Schmidt It's more bothersome to me that Jack would play, say, the Joker as Jack. Satan is a bit less defined as a character. He can be a billy goat, Saddam Hussein's bitch, or yes, a hooah-ing Pacino. There's no real wrong way to do it. Devil's Advocate's script taken on its own, you want someone to call God a tight-ass, absentee landlord and NOT ham it up?
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2021 1:09:52 GMT
I am almost tempted to make a list ranking all their performances together, but that would take me a while. I can do a rough top 10. The Godfather Part II Dog Day Afternoon The Godfather One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest The Shining You Don't Know Jack As Good As It Gets Glengarry Glen Ross ... and justice for all About Schmidt It's more bothersome to me that Jack would play, say, the Joker as Jack. Satan is a bit less defined as a character. He can be a billy goat, Saddam Hussein's bitch, or yes, a hooah-ing Pacino. There's no real wrong way to do it. Devil's Advocate's script taken on its own, you want someone to call God a tight-ass, absentee landlord and NOT ham it up? I understand the complaint about Nicholson as the Joker, but it is an insanely entertaining and often frightening performance. He still evokes the Joker very well imo, because Nichoslon is a bit joker-eqsue in general. He already has a sort of creepy and humorous look to his face. Like I said though, Pacino breaks character in The Devil's Advocate. There are many scenes where I like his acting a lot and a handful where I don't. I particularly don't care for the final confrontation scene. Your point about how can you not ham in up I understand, but it isn't that he is hamming it up, it is the way he hams it up that doesn't work for me. I love me some ham from Gary Oldman, but that doesn't mean that I think he does it well or interestingly in all the movies he does it in. Nicolas Cage is one of my favorite actors, in part because he hams it up, but he is better at it than Pacino imo. I am fine with your ranking of the top 10, besides that I would probably add Scarface and Chinatown in there. Scarface is a wonderfully OTT performance, but that was the first time he did it and then he started relying on that in some of his later roles. Like "People seem to love me in Scarface, so I am just going to do that in everything." I have the same issue sometimes with Anthony Hopkins and his yelling. It can get annoying, because it comes off as "Look at how loud I can yell in your face."
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 20, 2021 2:09:08 GMT
I can do a rough top 10. The Godfather Part II Dog Day Afternoon The Godfather One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest The Shining You Don't Know Jack As Good As It Gets Glengarry Glen Ross ... and justice for all About Schmidt It's more bothersome to me that Jack would play, say, the Joker as Jack. Satan is a bit less defined as a character. He can be a billy goat, Saddam Hussein's bitch, or yes, a hooah-ing Pacino. There's no real wrong way to do it. Devil's Advocate's script taken on its own, you want someone to call God a tight-ass, absentee landlord and NOT ham it up? I understand the complaint about Nicholson as the Joker, but it is an insanely entertaining and often frightening performance. He still evokes the Joker very well imo, because Nichoslon is a bit joker-eqsue in general. He already has a sort of creepy and humorous look to his face. Like I said though, Pacino breaks character in The Devil's Advocate. There are many scenes where I like his acting a lot and a handful where I don't. I particularly don't care for the final confrontation scene. Your point about how can you not ham in up I understand, but it isn't that he is hamming it up, it is the way he hams it up that doesn't work for me. I love me some ham from Gary Oldman, but that doesn't mean that I think he does it well or interestingly in all the movies he does it in. Nicolas Cage is one of my favorite actors, in part because he hams it up, but he is better at it than Pacino imo. I am fine with your ranking of the top 10, besides that I would probably add Scarface and Chinatown in there. Scarface is a wonderfully OTT performance, but that was the first time he did it and then he started relying on that in some of his later roles. Like "People seem to love me in Scarface, so I am just going to do that in everything." I have the same issue sometimes with Anthony Hopkins and his yelling. It can get annoying, because it comes off as "Look at how loud I can yell in your face." I don't know, too much of that movie is spent on Jack just being Cool Jack. He gives a better Joker performance in The Shining and he did it without makeup. Also, for $60 million, the dude could hit a treadmill. Funnily enough, you say Pacino has spent his career since Scarface trying to duplicate that success whereas Cage has spent the last 15 years trying to duplicate Wicker Man's ironic failure. At least we're supposed to be laughing WITH Al. Heh.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2021 2:14:17 GMT
I understand the complaint about Nicholson as the Joker, but it is an insanely entertaining and often frightening performance. He still evokes the Joker very well imo, because Nichoslon is a bit joker-eqsue in general. He already has a sort of creepy and humorous look to his face. Like I said though, Pacino breaks character in The Devil's Advocate. There are many scenes where I like his acting a lot and a handful where I don't. I particularly don't care for the final confrontation scene. Your point about how can you not ham in up I understand, but it isn't that he is hamming it up, it is the way he hams it up that doesn't work for me. I love me some ham from Gary Oldman, but that doesn't mean that I think he does it well or interestingly in all the movies he does it in. Nicolas Cage is one of my favorite actors, in part because he hams it up, but he is better at it than Pacino imo. I am fine with your ranking of the top 10, besides that I would probably add Scarface and Chinatown in there. Scarface is a wonderfully OTT performance, but that was the first time he did it and then he started relying on that in some of his later roles. Like "People seem to love me in Scarface, so I am just going to do that in everything." I have the same issue sometimes with Anthony Hopkins and his yelling. It can get annoying, because it comes off as "Look at how loud I can yell in your face." I don't know, too much of that movie is spent on Jack just being Cool Jack. He gives a better Joker performance in The Shining and he did it without makeup. Also, for $60 million, the dude could hit a treadmill. Funnily enough, you say Pacino has spent his career since Scarface trying to duplicate that success whereas Cage has spent the last 15 years trying to duplicate Wicker Man's ironic failure. At least we're supposed to be laughing WITH Al. Heh. I disagree. Cage was doing that long before The Wicker Man and it very much shows through in elements of many of his performances before that. Matchstick Men, Peggy Sue Got Married, Deadfall, Vampire's Kiss, Face-Off. I can go on and on.
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Post by petrolino on Nov 20, 2021 2:18:59 GMT
What an exciting close contest you're running. It's like the Best Actor Oscar races of 1974 and 1975 all over again.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 20, 2021 2:25:49 GMT
I don't know, too much of that movie is spent on Jack just being Cool Jack. He gives a better Joker performance in The Shining and he did it without makeup. Also, for $60 million, the dude could hit a treadmill. Funnily enough, you say Pacino has spent his career since Scarface trying to duplicate that success whereas Cage has spent the last 15 years trying to duplicate Wicker Man's ironic failure. At least we're supposed to be laughing WITH Al. Heh. I disagree. Cage was doing that long before The Wicker Man and it very much shows through in elements of many of his performances before that. Matchstick Men, Peggy Sue Got Married, Deadfall, Vampire's Kiss, Face-Off. I can go on and on. But he didn't coast on that until his memefication. There's a reason he spends most of Face/Off as the bland good guy while Travolta does the chewing.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2021 2:35:57 GMT
I disagree. Cage was doing that long before The Wicker Man and it very much shows through in elements of many of his performances before that. Matchstick Men, Peggy Sue Got Married, Deadfall, Vampire's Kiss, Face-Off. I can go on and on. But he didn't coast on that until his memefication. There's a reason he spends most of Face/Off as the bland good guy while Travolta does the chewing. Sure, he didn't coast on it, but it was a big part of his appeal for me. Anyway, when it comes to subjective taste I find arguing usless. It is like arguing with me that I like pizza more than steak or something, yet I tend to dislike cheese generally. This is why I don't like to argue about movies. Movies are my religion and there isn't always a "rational" reason. I did the best I could to explain why I prefer Nicholson over Pacino, but that is all I can do. What I like and dislike isn't something I have a choice in. Pacino is the better actor. I can give you that. Isn't that good enough? In the same way that Edward Norton is a better actor than Kurt Russell and Mel Gibson, but I much prefer Mel Gibson and Kurt Russell over Norton in general, because they have more natural charisma and screen presence. I like Con Air more than Parasite, so...take that.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 20, 2021 3:01:33 GMT
But he didn't coast on that until his memefication. There's a reason he spends most of Face/Off as the bland good guy while Travolta does the chewing. Sure, he didn't coast on it, but it was a big part of his appeal for me. Anyway, when it comes to subjective taste I find arguing usless. It is like arguing with me that I like pizza more than steak or something, yet I tend to dislike cheese generally. This is why I don't like to argue about movies. Movies are my religion and there isn't always a "rational" reason. I did the best I could to explain why I prefer Nicholson over Pacino, but that is all I can do. What I like and dislike isn't something I have a choice in. Pacino is the better actor. I can give you that. Isn't that good enough? In the same way that Edward Norton is a better actor than Kurt Russell and Mel Gibson, but I much prefer Mel Gibson and Kurt Russell over Norton in general, because they have more natural charisma and screen presence. I like Con Air more than Parasite, so...take that. Parasite lacked a stuffed animal held at gunpoint, I'll give you that. Fair enough on the rest. Just shooting the shit.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2021 3:06:28 GMT
Sure, he didn't coast on it, but it was a big part of his appeal for me. Anyway, when it comes to subjective taste I find arguing usless. It is like arguing with me that I like pizza more than steak or something, yet I tend to dislike cheese generally. This is why I don't like to argue about movies. Movies are my religion and there isn't always a "rational" reason. I did the best I could to explain why I prefer Nicholson over Pacino, but that is all I can do. What I like and dislike isn't something I have a choice in. Pacino is the better actor. I can give you that. Isn't that good enough? In the same way that Edward Norton is a better actor than Kurt Russell and Mel Gibson, but I much prefer Mel Gibson and Kurt Russell over Norton in general, because they have more natural charisma and screen presence. I like Con Air more than Parasite, so...take that. Parasite lacked a stuffed animal held at gunpoint, I'll give you that. Fair enough on the rest. Just shooting the shit. I don't want you to think that I don't like having the conversations though. I think differences in subjective opinions and tastes is one of the most interesting things about being human. I especially like having conversations about this stuff with you, because you are so passionate about your opinions on movies. There are things when it comes to objectivity about reality is when you can get me to come around or where I think it is vital to argue about. I love debating morality and stuff like that.
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Post by petrolino on Nov 20, 2021 10:52:27 GMT
Huh. Did Al Pacino win?
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2021 13:26:35 GMT
He is ahead right now, but the poll is open until tonight.
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