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Post by ck100 on Nov 22, 2021 6:20:54 GMT
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Nov 22, 2021 7:41:52 GMT
Star Trek: First Blood
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Post by jonesjxd on Nov 22, 2021 10:45:24 GMT
First Contact made me a fan of Star Trek, I saw this in theaters and started watching Deep Space Nine and reruns of Next Generation and the original series. Honestly, I've grown to love Insurrection more than First Contact.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 22, 2021 13:26:49 GMT
The second best Trek flick.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 22, 2021 14:13:05 GMT
It’s my third favorite after the first two J. J. Abrams movies.
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Post by Lux on Nov 22, 2021 14:19:38 GMT
It’s my third favorite after the first two J. J. Abrams movies. You didn't like any of Shatner's? Seriously?
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Post by politicidal on Nov 22, 2021 14:25:48 GMT
It’s my third favorite after the first two J. J. Abrams movies. You didn't like any of Shatner's? Seriously? Did I say that in my post?
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Post by Lux on Nov 22, 2021 14:33:41 GMT
You didn't like any of Shatner's? Seriously? Did I say that in my post? Shatner is the father of Star Trek and the best Star Trek actor the fact that his Star Trek films are behind Star Trek into Darkness with a white man playing a man with the name of "Khan" in your list is not exactly a good sign is it? You may not hate his films but you don't exactly like them either.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 22, 2021 14:39:34 GMT
Did I say that in my post? Shatner is the father of Star Trek and the best Star Trek actor the fact that his Star Trek films are behind Star Trek into Darkness with a white man playing a man with the name of "Khan" in your list is not exactly a good sign is it? You may not hate his films but you don't exactly like them either. I actually like half of the original cast’s movies, which is different from “not liking any of Shatner’s” as you implied in your first post. It’s true that I prefer other movies in the franchise. If that bothers you, I don’t care.
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Post by Lux on Nov 22, 2021 14:46:49 GMT
Shatner is the father of Star Trek and the best Star Trek actor the fact that his Star Trek films are behind Star Trek into Darkness with a white man playing a man with the name of "Khan" in your list is not exactly a good sign is it? You may not hate his films but you don't exactly like them either. I actually like half of the original cast’s movies, which is different from “not liking any of Shatner’s” as you implied in your first post. It’s true that I prefer other movies in the franchise. If that bothers you, I don’t care. So you think a sequel with a white man named Khan is better than the original Khan? It's not about you not caring or caring it was just an opinion. If you're going to put three movies before Shatner it really needs to be good and while Star Trek into Darkness is okay they're not better than Shatner okay.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Nov 23, 2021 7:02:58 GMT
It's my personal favourite Star Trek movie. The look of the new Enterprise, the new uniforms, the Borg at their scariest, the story, Goldsmith's gorgeous soundtrack and Patrick Stewart's stellar performance all add up to an utterly fantastic viewing experience. I like most of the TNG movies (bar Nemesis) but First Contact was the crowning achievement of the movie franchise.
I remember when it was released but didn't get to see it until January 1998, when I rented it out on VHS. Got a copy of the movie in that format for my 14th birthday later that same year.
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Post by wmcclain on Nov 23, 2021 17:44:04 GMT
Star Trek: First Contact (1996), directed by Jonathan Frakes. The Borg are back! The Enterprise arrives in time to destroy their mammoth ship as they attack Earth, but the villains have gone back in time -- Terminator (1984)-like -- to win the war in the past before the humans have even developed warp drive. Picard and crew are in hot pursuit, but it isn't going to be easy. It's not without its flaws but I think this is a pretty great entry in the series, one of the best films. We have a nice balance of action/adventure, horror and comedy. Several parallel story-lines are skillfully managed. Made when the various Trek TV series were still current, it combines the television origins with the expanded scale of a feature film. A bit more violence and emotion, but still PG-13. Kudos to Jonathan Frakes directing his first film. When the series was running I remember we were laughing at the Next Generation characters, but we were also very fond of them, and it is great to revisit them and see them in a big adventure. Picard once again does his morally sensitive starship captain, actually changing his stance on something vital, which is rare in life. Once again we are afraid Data has gone wacky ("for 0.68 seconds" he says). Frakes is very relaxed at directing himself. Marina Sirtis: pretty! I won't quibble over the many plot holes, but other things that bother me: - I don't mind Zefram Cochrane having a goofy, drunken side, but I can't see James Cromwell as the engineering genius who invented warp drive.
- If we think of the Borg as a hive then it may be natural to introduce a Queen, but it is an awkward splice of the mythology when she is introduced here for the first time.
- The battle on the deflector dish is a good tense scene, maybe a little long, but the zero-g stunt should have been cut.
- Engineering has a "break glass to flood compartment with flesh-dissolving plasma coolant" fixture. And an automatic vacuum cleanup system!
- The drones all blow up when the Queen is dead? Yes, obviously that is the best way to design them.
My favorite bit is actually at the end, Picard's goodbye to Lilly: "I envy you, taking these first steps into a new frontier." What I think of as "real Star Trek" exists only in my mind, those moments in the original series when they are way out there in the black, where no man has gone before, no one to call for help, encountering the alien with a slight horror tinge. I always wanted a series set before Captain Kirk when everything was rough and improvised, during the first explorations. Enterprise was not that show; too smooth, too crowded and cosmopolitan, more like Next Generation than the original series. Notes: - Alice Krige as the Borg Queen. Yikes, where did she get that? Calling H.R. Giger! One of the commentaries says she got the role because of Ghost Story (1981) where she is also sexy and scary.
- Nasty upgrade on the Borg themselves.
- Earth as a Borg planet: even from orbit that is creepy.
- Neal McDonough has a good supporting role. He's a redshirt, sorry.
- Star Fleet Command does not trust Picard after he was assimilated and rescued. Not without reason, right? He still has a telepathic connection.
- Data continues his evolution. When touching the missile he feels nothing special, but when the Borg Queen gives him real skin his sense of touch becomes hyper-erotic. "She brought me closer to humanity than I ever thought possible".
- That's a real missile silo with a real missile.
- Note the happy post-apocalyptic settlement in Montana. That's the Roddenberry look.
- When I saw the Borg working in vacuum outside the ship I thought of Scanners Live in Vain, Cordwainer Smith's first published story. His Scanners don't have a hive mind but they are "adjusted" bio-mechanical humans who operate in space, a nightmare job.
Finally, the music. Jerry Goldsmith, as always, provides essential support throughout the film (assisted here by his son, Joel). His soaring main title anthem is surprisingly poignant and uplifting for an action film, those horns perhaps suggesting the optimistic hopes of First Contact. This is one of those films where I cannot stop during the closing credits. Goldsmith conducts the orchestra and I'm there until the final note. He reprises Alexander Courage's theme for the original series and then gives a lovely, stirring suite combining the main theme and his majestic seafaring score for Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979), also used for the Next Generation TV series. Available on Blu-ray with three commentary tracks: - Director Frakes gives some production details but mostly narrates what's on screen and shouts out whatever happy thought comes to mind.
- Screenwriters Brannon Braga and Ronald D. Moore give detailed notes on their story and its production. Prophetically, they predict the franchise would require a major reboot someday. From the writer's perspective the weight of decades of continuity became paralyzing. Time for a fresh start.
- Light patter between a fan and Damon Lindelof, producer of Star Trek (2009).
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 23, 2021 19:55:02 GMT
I’ve seen some, such as RLM, who consider it to be the movie that began the downfall of the franchise, since it started the trend of making the series more violent and action packed, and turned Picard into a bloodthirsty maniac who’s obsessed with revenge.
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Post by ck100 on Nov 23, 2021 22:23:30 GMT
I’ve seen some, such as RLM, who consider it to be the movie that began the downfall of the franchise, since it started the trend of making the series more violent and action packed, and turned Picard into a bloodthirsty maniac who’s obsessed with revenge. I've made a thread about this before. The quote below from Star Trek screenwriter and TV producer Ronald D. Moore is very telling about how Star Trek lost what it's supposed to be about while on the big screen: trekmovie.com/2021/02/18/interview-ron-moore-on-section-31-series-and-what-he-would-do-with-star-trek-on-the-big-screen/?fbclid=IwAR3hMR6dZDIWz3FmLoQ6mxJnpnj3gw229aTsvlqnbMrwkKvt9l5XnSy1d6E"Trek is, in some ways, an uncomfortable fit to the big screen I’ve kind of come to feel, even though I did two of them. I thought First Contact was a really good film, Generations not so much. And Wrath of Khan is an outstanding film. The Voyage Home works really well, and so on. It’s not that they’re not good movies, but it feels like the movies have to be spectacle. The movies have to be gigantic, action-adventure, lots of shooting, lots of things at stake – except for Voyage Home. And that’s not really Star Trek to me. To me, Trek is a morality play. It’s a show about ethical dilemmas. It’s a science fiction show about “What if?” And it’s a character piece. The best parts of Trek don’t necessarily lend themselves towards the big screen. For instance, you couldn’t do “Data’s Day” as a movie, right? It was one of my favorite episodes. “The Conscience of the King” from The Original Series is one of my favorite episodes. That’s not a movie. So, the movie version always has to be hyped up and overdamped and they’re big giant roller coasters. And I don’t know that the roller coaster aspect is what attracts me to Star Trek the most. So, if they asked me what to do with the movies, I don’t know. I’d want to reboot and start over and do something very different. And try a different flavor of Star Trek for the big screen. And not just make ‘Who’s going to be the “Khan” in this version? What’s the big, giant weapon that’s going to threaten the universe? Or anything like that. I think you’d have to find some sci-fi angle that made it more about: what are the roots of Trek? Why did people come to fall in love with it in the first place? And that’s a tall order."
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Post by MCDemuth on Nov 23, 2021 22:33:09 GMT
Are you going to do the Movie Quote Thread for the original film? The second film was already done.
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