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Post by darkpast on May 21, 2017 4:26:24 GMT
Solution = No More Sequels. Its all downhill after the first entry. They just become overstuffed and unfocused sequels.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on May 21, 2017 4:47:49 GMT
some of their best stuff has been sequels.
i suppose you could even argue that anything they do at this point is a sequel.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 21, 2017 5:27:05 GMT
Solution = No More Sequels. Its all downhill after the first entry. They just become overstuffed and unfocused sequels. Something tells me you're going to keep watching them anyway.
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Post by darkpast on May 21, 2017 5:45:13 GMT
Solution = No More Sequels. Its all downhill after the first entry. They just become overstuffed and unfocused sequels. Something tells me you're going to keep watching them anyway. i've seen them all, and own some of them
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 10:29:02 GMT
Solution = No More Sequels. Its all downhill after the first entry. They just become overstuffed and unfocused sequels. That may be true for some but Caps series and Guardians are the oposite. Thor 3 and Avengers 3 also look like the best in their series. So no, you are arguing the exception as the rule
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Post by politicidal on May 21, 2017 14:43:43 GMT
Doubtful since the sequels typically do better at the box office.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 21, 2017 14:57:46 GMT
some of their best stuff has been sequels. i suppose you could even argue that anything they do at this point is a sequel. This. Anything after Iron Man is a sequel.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 21, 2017 15:19:06 GMT
I mean, we all know I'm not the biggest MCU fan around here, but "Captain America" is widely considered to be his weakest film outing, isn't it? Compared to WS/CW?
So that's if nothing else the exception that proves the rule...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 22:13:32 GMT
Solution = No More Sequels. Its all downhill after the first entry. They just become overstuffed and unfocused sequels. The Winter Soldier and Civil War were both better than The First Avenger. As much as I love Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, I've become absolutely smitten with Vol. 2. Oh, and Ironman 3 was awesome, I don't care what anyone says. Oh, and Age of Ultron is every bit as good as The Avengers.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 22:17:28 GMT
I mean, we all know I'm not the biggest MCU fan around here, but "Captain America" is widely considered to be his weakest film outing, isn't it? Compared to WS/CW? So that's if nothing else the exception that proves the rule... Depends on what you're in the mood for. While I would say, yes, overall, the first Cap film is a very enjoyable Adventure Movie, lacking the weight and darkness of its sequels (and the frankly terrifying political relevance of Winter Soldier). Even if it ends on a low note with Steve in modern day New York, there is still much to enjoy about it.
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Post by kuatorises on May 22, 2017 1:58:04 GMT
The Winter Soldier. Civil War, and GOTG 2 are some of the best in the series.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 22, 2017 2:16:32 GMT
Solution = No More Sequels. Its all downhill after the first entry. They just become overstuffed and unfocused sequels. The Winter Soldier and Civil War were both better than The First Avenger. As much as I love Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, I've become absolutely smitten with Vol. 2. Oh, and Ironman 3 was awesome, I don't care what anyone says. Oh, and Age of Ultron is every bit as good as The Avengers. Yeah. A long time from now, when people don't care who the Mandarin or Tony Stark was or how they interacted in some comic book in the seventies, IM3 will be seen as ingenious, tentpole filmmaking. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 3:13:29 GMT
The Winter Soldier and Civil War were both better than The First Avenger. As much as I love Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, I've become absolutely smitten with Vol. 2. Oh, and Ironman 3 was awesome, I don't care what anyone says. Oh, and Age of Ultron is every bit as good as The Avengers. Yeah. A long time from now, when people don't care who the Mandarin or Tony Stark was or how they interacted in some comic book in the seventies, IM3 will be seen as ingenious, tentpole filmmaking. SaveSaveSo, kind of an Empire Strikes Back deal. There is a real potent part of me that still wants to see the real Mandarin in action even if I know its unlikely because its a tall task to present him in a racial sensitive manner, though. However, I really like the film's core point. Everyone in the film is so paranoid about about outside threats that they're not not even considering the possibility that the problem is right here at home. And you don't even have to get political to apply that message. It works on the level of individuals as well.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 22, 2017 4:37:25 GMT
Yeah. A long time from now, when people don't care who the Mandarin or Tony Stark was or how they interacted in some comic book in the seventies, IM3 will be seen as ingenious, tentpole filmmaking. SaveSaveSo, kind of an Empire Strikes Back deal. There is a real potent part of me that still wants to see the real Mandarin in action even if I know its unlikely because its a tall task to present him in a racial sensitive manner, though. However, I really like the film's core point. Everyone in the film is so paranoid about about outside threats that they're not not even considering the possibility that the problem is right here at home. And you don't even have to get political to apply that message. It works on the level of individuals as well. As someone who is a comic book fan (and a former employee at a comic book store), I am well aware that page four of the Fandom Manual says that every superhero must have an arch nemesis. The arch nemesis is the one who causes the hero the most consternation. She or he is a formidable opponent who knows the hero intimately and can hurt her or him on more than just a physical level. The arch nemesis tests the hero by forcing her/him to use every tool, weapon, skill, and trick they have in their arsenal to the fullest extent in order to prevail. In short, the arch nemesis is the person you trot out when you need to break the villain-of-the-month monotony and boost sales. I get it but, the concept has never been something that has been at the forefront of my enjoyment of comic book literature. To me, Iron Man, whether it be the dour and controlled portrayal of the comic books or the more devil-may-care take of the movies, has always been a character that defies the need for an arch nemesis. Conceptually, Iron Man sits at the intersection of politics, futurism, terrorism, trans-humanism, capitalism, corporate power and the social, ethical and moral ramifications of how we choose to utilize technology in the 21 century. A well written Iron Man story is like a master class in how the world works. He's not tied to primal emotions like fear, rage or hope like Batman, the Hulk or Superman. Tony Stark represents the drive within human beings to invent and progress. The Iron Man is the living personification of the future. And it's not just dumb luck that is allowing him to enjoy renewed public interest (since 2008). Iron Man lives in this moment and he is mainlined into the current zeitgeist. When compared to the big two, he is more relevant than Batman and manages to avoid the stodgy, monolithic inertia of Superman. But, okay, enough fan-girling over my favorite male character. On to the Mandarin. Batman's most notable rogues have an intimate relationship with him that's been cultivated and deepened over a period of decades. The Joker has killed one of his protégés. He's slept with Cat Woman. Ra's al Ghul is practically obsessed with the Batman/Bruce Wayne dichotomy. Many writers have tried to bring the same richness to the relationship between Iron Man and the Mandarin - in my opinion, none have been entirely successful (John Byrne came really fucking close). A part of the problem may be the Mandarin's roots as an analogue for the worst aspects of Communist China. His initial clashes with Iron Man were ideological and not personal. Throw in a complicated powerset and multiple, contradictory and confusing character overhauls, and it's easy for me to see why Marvel chose the direction they did with Iron Man 3. I mean could you have made sense of this to the general movie going audience? I'm totally ready to be ripped to shreds on this but, I think most would have to acknowledge a little truth in what I'm saying. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 22, 2017 5:42:53 GMT
Solution = No More Sequels. Its all downhill after the first entry. They just become overstuffed and unfocused sequels. The Winter Soldier and Civil War were both better than The First Avenger. As much as I love Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, I've become absolutely smitten with Vol. 2. Oh, and Ironman 3 was awesome, I don't care what anyone says. Oh, and Age of Ultron is every bit as good as The Avengers. I enjoyed Iron Man 3, but I thought the ending with Pepper going full badass was kind of dumb. It really kind of took me out of the experience and it had no context for why she could do what she did. That being said, I think the Mandarin twist was okay. It was funny, plus I don't think he's on the level of Doctor Doom or Loki or whoever in Marvel Comics to say that he shouldn't be amended.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 18:17:16 GMT
So, kind of an Empire Strikes Back deal. There is a real potent part of me that still wants to see the real Mandarin in action even if I know its unlikely because its a tall task to present him in a racial sensitive manner, though. However, I really like the film's core point. Everyone in the film is so paranoid about about outside threats that they're not not even considering the possibility that the problem is right here at home. And you don't even have to get political to apply that message. It works on the level of individuals as well. As someone who is a comic book fan (and a former employee at a comic book store), I am well aware that page four of the Fandom Manual says that every superhero must have an arch nemesis. The arch nemesis is the one who causes the hero the most consternation. She or he is a formidable opponent who knows the hero intimately and can hurt her or him on more than just a physical level. The arch nemesis tests the hero by forcing her/him to use every tool, weapon, skill, and trick they have in their arsenal to the fullest extent in order to prevail. In short, the arch nemesis is the person you trot out when you need to break the villain-of-the-month monotony and boost sales. I get it but, the concept has never been something that has been at the forefront of my enjoyment of comic book literature. To me, Iron Man, whether it be the dour and controlled portrayal of the comic books or the more devil-may-care take of the movies, has always been a character that defies the need for an arch nemesis. Conceptually, Iron Man sits at the intersection of politics, futurism, terrorism, trans-humanism, capitalism, corporate power and the social, ethical and moral ramifications of how we choose to utilize technology in the 21 century. A well written Iron Man story is like a master class in how the world works. He's not tied to primal emotions like fear, rage or hope like Batman, the Hulk or Superman. Tony Stark represents the drive within human beings to invent and progress. The Iron Man is the living personification of the future. And it's not just dumb luck that is allowing him to enjoy renewed public interest (since 2008). Iron Man lives in this moment and he is mainlined into the current zeitgeist. When compared to the big two, he is more relevant than Batman and manages to avoid the stodgy, monolithic inertia of Superman. But, okay, enough fan-girling over my favorite male character. On to the Mandarin. Batman's most notable rogues have an intimate relationship with him that's been cultivated and deepened over a period of decades. The Joker has killed one of his protégés. He's slept with Cat Woman. Ra's al Ghul is practically obsessed with the Batman/Bruce Wayne dichotomy. Many writers have tried to bring the same richness to the relationship between Iron Man and the Mandarin - in my opinion, none have been entirely successful (John Byrne came really fucking close). A part of the problem may be the Mandarin's roots as an analogue for the worst aspects of Communist China. His initial clashes with Iron Man were ideological and not personal. Throw in a complicated powerset and multiple, contradictory and confusing character overhauls, and it's easy for me to see why Marvel chose the direction they did with Iron Man 3. I mean could you have made sense of this to the general movie going audience? I'm totally ready to be ripped to shreds on this but, I think most would have to acknowledge a little truth in what I'm saying. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveThere is nothing can I add to this. Well said.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 18:18:46 GMT
The Winter Soldier and Civil War were both better than The First Avenger. As much as I love Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, I've become absolutely smitten with Vol. 2. Oh, and Ironman 3 was awesome, I don't care what anyone says. Oh, and Age of Ultron is every bit as good as The Avengers. I enjoyed Iron Man 3, but I thought the ending with Pepper going full badass was kind of dumb. It really kind of took me out of the experience and it had no context for why she could do what she did. That being said, I think the Mandarin twist was okay. It was funny, plus I don't think he's on the level of Doctor Doom or Loki or whoever in Marvel Comics to say that he shouldn't be amended. Eh, I have to disagree on Pepper. Let the girl have her one moment, since it's obviously the last we'll be seeing of her in the MCU unless there is a very pleasant surprise awaiting in Infinity War. Plus, the Mandarin twist works so well with the theme they were going for.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 23:30:24 GMT
Solution = No More Sequels. Its all downhill after the first entry. They just become overstuffed and unfocused sequels. Not that I think that Marvel has a sequel problem, but what you are discribing is not a marvel problem, rather an Hollywood one... Exceptions to the rule apply.
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Post by Skaathar on May 23, 2017 17:17:12 GMT
CATWS was a whole lot better than CATFA (so was Civil War) and Thor Ragnarok looks like it's going to be better than the first 2 Thor movies. Spiderman 2 was also better than the first.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 17:29:49 GMT
I mean, we all know I'm not the biggest MCU fan around here, but "Captain America" is widely considered to be his weakest film outing, isn't it? Compared to WS/CW? So that's if nothing else the exception that proves the rule... Yeah, I'd say 'Captain america' is the weakest of the three.
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