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Post by Vegas on May 25, 2017 4:48:52 GMT
I totally disagree with that. Humor is not just humor sometimes. Because some humor is an attempt to hurt and belittle under the cover of "jokes". But if the category of people you're joking about is viewed as sub-human to begin with, you will find others that laugh with you. There is nothing humourous about a joke that delibaretly hurts someone or many someones on the basis that "bah" you shouldn't take it seriously it's just a joke. Your post to Cine about him not being alowed within 250 feet of kids is not a joke, you mean it to hurt him, that's why you say it, you don't say it to ellicit laughter, it's an insult not a joke. The same can be said about many (not all) of your jokes and those are the one that usually people chastise you for. Well... There is a difference between basic humor and humor that is used for insult. For humor.. Specifically, DARK HUMOR.. I just stipulated that it not really intended to offend anyone specific.... other than that "OMG! I can't believe you just made a joke about child molestation!" As far as insults go... The quote of mine that Superdick obsessively found and used from a few years ago made the point that NOBODY - INCLUDING THE INSULT ER - REALLY TREATS THE INSULT AS A REAL ACCUSATION... It's a part of the joke that Cine isn't really not allowed within 250 feet of kids.... And if you don't think that child molestation can be funny..  |
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Post by Marv on May 25, 2017 5:02:51 GMT
I know I've said this years ago...and probably even a little bit earlier in this thread. But the difference between a comment being regarded as an insult or a playful joke is determined by the comedians relationship with the butt of the joke. Speaking in regards to everyday people that is. When dealing with standup comedy or large audiences there's a whole different animal to consider. But if I make a fat joke about a fat person, and we aren't overly friendly...it will and should be seen as insulting. But if we're on decent terms it can be darkly humorous or playful. But it all depends on the jokers relationship with the jokee.
Irl, most of my friends will insult each other constantly. But it's all meant in good fun. And over the years we know where each one of our lines are or are just decent enough to know if the person the joke is about isn't laughing then you should simmer down.
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 25, 2017 8:07:08 GMT
I know I've said this years ago...and probably even a little bit earlier in this thread. But the difference between a comment being regarded as an insult or a playful joke is determined by the comedians relationship with the butt of the joke. Speaking in regards to everyday people that is. When dealing with standup comedy or large audiences there's a whole different animal to consider. But if I make a fat joke about a fat person, and we aren't overly friendly...it will and should be seen as insulting. But if we're on decent terms it can be darkly humorous or playful. But it all depends on the jokers relationship with the jokee. Irl, most of my friends will insult each other constantly. But it's all meant in good fun. And over the years we know where each one of our lines are or are just decent enough to know if the person the joke is about isn't laughing then you should simmer down. That's incredibly well said, Marv. Intimacy determines the limits of humor in personal social circles and, in a more public venue, you're stuck with a broader limit in appeal. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 25, 2017 8:08:25 GMT
It's got pluses and minuses. Keep refugees in an area where militants are creating a militant state, they're that much more likely to be indoctrinated and radicalized, especially if the alternative is starvation. Muslims in more progressive areas, especially second generation and beyond, have a much better rate of acclimation. Of course, open the door and it's MUCH easier to insert a radical or cell. One of the reasons liberals are pushing back so hard against the rise of "It's Islam, not individuals" in the US is that we've had hundreds of thousands of acclimated Muslims here for decades. No one worried a peep about them until 9-11, it's not as if they're suddenly terrorists. Our country has a history of violent subjugation of minorities - we're trying to keep this in mind while repeating "It's the radicals, not the group." Historically, group-blame has led to some hellish shit. Europe isn't America. Something Americans, no offense, seem to not understand is that the Muslims you have in the US are basically the cream of the crop. America isn't easy to get into, you need to be skilled and affluent. The Muslims that have moved to the US are not the same social class as the one that have flooded Europe. Imagine 400,000 trailer parks....And British Muslims are becoming more radical and less Western, not more so. There is a real problem in the UK and Europe and people don't want to address it. Do you see things like this in the US? www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nlIfn8tNAwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym3VFX6VrA8www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKipqzoyeicwww.youtube.com/watch?v=3VQk_VklYUcAnd yet there is a push in the UK to out law "Islamophibia" with the Met police warning people that they would be arrested for Tweeting about Islam..... ISIS said they were going to use the refugee crisis to get terror cells into Europe. NATO warned this would happen. The leaders of the EU simply put their fingers in their ears and proclaimed themselves to be good people and opened the doors to people with no means to support themselves in Europe, who don't speak the native languages are largely unskilled and uneducated in whos ranks were people bent on the destruction of The West. In terms of refugees, NATO should have enforced a safe zone on the Turkish border. Sorry Thor I was really speaking from my "across the pond" PoV. You're right, there are entirely different considerations when you're two land borders away or what not. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 25, 2017 8:19:43 GMT
It's got pluses and minuses. Keep refugees in an area where militants are creating a militant state, they're that much more likely to be indoctrinated and radicalized, especially if the alternative is starvation. Muslims in more progressive areas, especially second generation and beyond, have a much better rate of acclimation. Of course, open the door and it's MUCH easier to insert a radical or cell. One of the reasons liberals are pushing back so hard against the rise of "It's Islam, not individuals" in the US is that we've had hundreds of thousands of acclimated Muslims here for decades. No one worried a peep about them until 9-11, it's not as if they're suddenly terrorists. Our country has a history of violent subjugation of minorities - we're trying to keep this in mind while repeating "It's the radicals, not the group." Historically, group-blame has led to some hellish shit. Must have not made the distinction clear my second paragraph was not about war refugees, but immigrants in general like haitians. That leave their countries not because of war or persecution but in search of a better life. Ah sorry. I read that poorly. |
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Post by islandmur on May 25, 2017 10:09:05 GMT
I know I've said this years ago...and probably even a little bit earlier in this thread. But the difference between a comment being regarded as an insult or a playful joke is determined by the comedians relationship with the butt of the joke. Speaking in regards to everyday people that is. When dealing with standup comedy or large audiences there's a whole different animal to consider. But if I make a fat joke about a fat person, and we aren't overly friendly...it will and should be seen as insulting. But if we're on decent terms it can be darkly humorous or playful. But it all depends on the jokers relationship with the jokee. Irl, most of my friends will insult each other constantly. But it's all meant in good fun. And over the years we know where each one of our lines are or are just decent enough to know if the person the joke is about isn't laughing then you should simmer down. i agree with this. "in jokes" I do understand also |
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Post by The Lost One on May 25, 2017 13:21:54 GMT
The Unionist - Loyalist conflict in Ulster was not a religious one. Nitpicking here, but I think you mean either the Unionist-Nationalist conflict or the Republican-Loyalist conflict. "Loyalist" is essentially the term for extremist Unionists (and "Republican" the term for extremist Nationalists). Anyway, I agree to an extent - the goal of Republicanism/Nationalism is a united Ireland rather than anything religious per se. The goal of Loyalism/Unionism is to keep Northern Ireland part of the UK. In fact, some of the heroes of Nationalism like Wolfe Tone and Charles Stewart Parnell were Protestant. Having said that I think it would be disingenuous to say there was no religious element to the conflict - the terms Catholic and Protestant are generally used as shorthand for the two communities. Catholic symbols often appear on murals and bonfires celebrating the Battle of the Boyne sometime burn Catholic symbols. Places of worship for both sides have often been targets for attacks. Ian Paisley, the founder of NI's largest Unionist Party also founded the Free Presbyterian Church (and was forced to step down as moderator of said church when he agreed to share power with Sinn Fein). He has also been a frequent critic of the Pope, despite popes throughout history largely being neutral about NI. SDLP, a nationalist party, has in the past defined itself as a Catholic party. Interestingly though, Sinn Fein, the more extreme nationalist party is less interested in Catholic values than SDLP, the more moderate nationalist party. And the DUP has largely been critical of terrorism on both sides (bar a few exceptions like Emma Little-Pengelly who has claimed to be proud to be the daughter of a UVF member). Would the NI conflict still exist without the Catholic/Protestant divide? Almost certainly but I reckon its character would have been somewhat different and perhaps peace may have been easier to achieve (if it has been achieved at all anyway). With ISIS, it's a much more overtly religious movement - the goal is an Islamic state. However, it's probably not coincidence that it's emerged in the political and economic climate that it has. Disaffected young men seeming to be gathering to the flag of radical Islam (even though in many cases they have not been particularly religious before). Perhaps Islam as a religion does lend itself more to such radicalisation and it's a mistake I feel to say that only interpretations of it as a religion of peace are valid. But I think it's also a mistake to say this recent violence can be solely blamed on the tenets of Islam. As with NI, would removing Islam as a factor remove the disaffection or would we merely see it manifest in different ways? And while these ways might not be as awful as suicide bombs and rape-gangs it's likely they would still be pretty unpleasant. |
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Post by thorshairspray on May 26, 2017 0:34:53 GMT
The Unionist - Loyalist conflict in Ulster was not a religious one. Nitpicking here, but I think you mean either the Unionist-Nationalist conflict or the Republican-Loyalist conflict. "Loyalist" is essentially the term for extremist Unionists (and "Republican" the term for extremist Nationalists). Anyway, I agree to an extent - the goal of Republicanism/Nationalism is a united Ireland rather than anything religious per se. The goal of Loyalism/Unionism is to keep Northern Ireland part of the UK. In fact, some of the heroes of Nationalism like Wolfe Tone and Charles Stewart Parnell were Protestant. Having said that I think it would be disingenuous to say there was no religious element to the conflict - the terms Catholic and Protestant are generally used as shorthand for the two communities. Catholic symbols often appear on murals and bonfires celebrating the Battle of the Boyne sometime burn Catholic symbols. Places of worship for both sides have often been targets for attacks. Ian Paisley, the founder of NI's largest Unionist Party also founded the Free Presbyterian Church (and was forced to step down as moderator of said church when he agreed to share power with Sinn Fein). He has also been a frequent critic of the Pope, despite popes throughout history largely being neutral about NI. SDLP, a nationalist party, has in the past defined itself as a Catholic party. Interestingly though, Sinn Fein, the more extreme nationalist party is less interested in Catholic values than SDLP, the more moderate nationalist party. And the DUP has largely been critical of terrorism on both sides (bar a few exceptions like Emma Little-Pengelly who has claimed to be proud to be the daughter of a UVF member). Would the NI conflict still exist without the Catholic/Protestant divide? Almost certainly but I reckon its character would have been somewhat different and perhaps peace may have been easier to achieve (if it has been achieved at all anyway). With ISIS, it's a much more overtly religious movement - the goal is an Islamic state. However, it's probably not coincidence that it's emerged in the political and economic climate that it has. Disaffected young men seeming to be gathering to the flag of radical Islam (even though in many cases they have not been particularly religious before). Perhaps Islam as a religion does lend itself more to such radicalisation and it's a mistake I feel to say that only interpretations of it as a religion of peace are valid. But I think it's also a mistake to say this recent violence can be solely blamed on the tenets of Islam. As with NI, would removing Islam as a factor remove the disaffection or would we merely see it manifest in different ways? And while these ways might not be as awful as suicide bombs and rape-gangs it's likely they would still be pretty unpleasant. Nitpick away. I got that wrong. As for the rest, I was talking about the causes of the conflict, they were not religious, there was no doctrinal clash. You could have had the same conflict f all of Ireland was Catholic, or if Ulster was mainly Jewish or Hindu. The religious dividing line was based on ancestry. The IRA were not trying to spread Catholicism, nor the UDA Protestantism. Similarly, had the Protestants not had such strong historical links to the "Mainland" hen the conflict probably wouldn't have happened, regardless or religion. With ISIS they are motivated by religion. That is their driver, to spread Islam and Islamic law. |
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Post by cupcakes on May 26, 2017 0:51:30 GMT
tpfkar It is incredibly over-simplistic, and no surprise to narrative purpose, to pretend that Protestant v. Catholic and the second-classing of Catholics and their culture was not a heavy basis.
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Post by clusium on May 26, 2017 0:58:52 GMT
tpfkar It is incredibly over-simplistic, and no surprise to narrative purpose, to pretend that Protestant v. Catholic and the second-classing of Catholics and their culture was not a heavy basis. loves me some nazi pug guy
While yes, religion does play some role in the Northern Ireland Troubles, it is a SECONDARY ONE. Nationality & patriotism is the PRIMARY ONE. By contrast, in the case, ISIS(or ISIL) al Qaida, Hamas, the Taliban, Boko Haram, etc. , religion is the primary one, & nationality & patriotism is secondary (if at all). |
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Post by cupcakes on May 26, 2017 1:01:51 GMT
tpfkar You're pardon me if I don't pay any mind to more patent bull that you push for purpose. 
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Post by thorshairspray on May 26, 2017 1:08:21 GMT
Europe isn't America. Something Americans, no offense, seem to not understand is that the Muslims you have in the US are basically the cream of the crop. America isn't easy to get into, you need to be skilled and affluent. The Muslims that have moved to the US are not the same social class as the one that have flooded Europe. Imagine 400,000 trailer parks....And British Muslims are becoming more radical and less Western, not more so. There is a real problem in the UK and Europe and people don't want to address it. Do you see things like this in the US? www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nlIfn8tNAwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym3VFX6VrA8www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKipqzoyeicwww.youtube.com/watch?v=3VQk_VklYUcAnd yet there is a push in the UK to out law "Islamophibia" with the Met police warning people that they would be arrested for Tweeting about Islam..... ISIS said they were going to use the refugee crisis to get terror cells into Europe. NATO warned this would happen. The leaders of the EU simply put their fingers in their ears and proclaimed themselves to be good people and opened the doors to people with no means to support themselves in Europe, who don't speak the native languages are largely unskilled and uneducated in whos ranks were people bent on the destruction of The West. In terms of refugees, NATO should have enforced a safe zone on the Turkish border. Sorry Thor I was really speaking from my "across the pond" PoV. You're right, there are entirely different considerations when you're two land borders away or what not. No need to apologise, Cine. There is a growing anger over here and the reason is not the Muslim community, it is political failure. European politicians have failed the people. You will have seen me rail against the "SJW's" and "Political Correctness" and I don't think America has seen the true effects this can have. I spoke about Rotherham. 1500 children systematically abused by grooming gangs that were exclusively Pakistani. It was covered up and ignored. One incident among many was the girl who had been groomed, hooked on heroin and repeatedly abused, when the police arrived at the house she was in, they arrested her for being "drunk and disorderly" But nobody chose to follow up on the question of why would a 14 year old white girl be in a house with a group Pakistani men, drinking and taking drugs. And I say Pakistani because the ethnic origins of the abusers was the reason this was over looked. We saw the same in Rochdale and Huddersfield, the list goes on. And this isn't my interpretation either, it was the finding of the official report to Her Majesties Government. It has emerged that the Manchester bomber had been reported five times for his "extremist" views. His support of ISIS. Police did nothing. Why? Call me a tinfoil hatter, but that first link I gave you, the protest in Luton, that was because the police had arrested the wife of the Stockholm bomber, Taimur Abdulwahab al-Abdaly. Remember Cologne? That "uneventful" New Years Eve they had? On top of this, there are so many cases of migrants and refugees escaping justice it isn't even funny. A Pakistani was spared jail for statutory rape because he had been taught in the Madrasa that women were worthless. A refugee in the UK was spared deportation after a rape conviction because he didn't know rape was wrong, went on to rape two more women. The guy in Austria who raped a 10 year old boy in a swimming pool because it was a "sexual emergency" has had his sentence reduce to four years, he will be out in two. Three women were spared a jail sentence for assault because they "were not used to the effects of alcohol being Muslims" The men involved in the Rochdale case are currently fighting deportation using British taxpayers money. People are allowed to protest carrying the ISIS flag on our streets, but our councils will ban St Georges Day Parades because "inclusion" Our flag has been banned by certain councils. We have 3000 people on a watchlist that cost us $13,000,000,000 per year. We have allowed hundreds of men who left the UK to join ISIS return to the country. And Count Dankula faces a year in prison for teaching his girlfriends dog to do a Nazi salute and North Yorkshire Police virtue signal about "Misogyny" while complaining they cannot deal with terror threats due to limited resources. Priorities guys. On top of this, the Government is further looking to censor free speech and impose on our privacy to combat "hate speech online" Priorities guys. Frankly, it's a mess. I saw the other day something about a legal case in the US advocating for FGM on the grounds of Religious Freedom. It was in the Detroit Free Press. I cannot make any claims for it's veracity, the DFP could be the US version of the Daily Sport for all I know. But this is what we saw in Europe, small steps. German and Sweden have allowed child marriages on the basis of "Culture" America must not surrender its values because Europe is on it's arse. |
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Post by thorshairspray on May 26, 2017 1:10:04 GMT
tpfkar It is incredibly over-simplistic, and no surprise to narrative purpose, to pretend that Protestant v. Catholic and the second-classing of Catholics and their culture was not a heavy basis. loves me some nazi pug guy
While yes, religion does play some role in the Northern Ireland Troubles, it is a SECONDARY ONE. Nationality & patriotism is the PRIMARY ONE. By contrast, in the case, ISIS(or ISIL) al Qaida, Hamas, the Taliban, Boko Haram, etc. , religion is the primary one, & nationality & patriotism is secondary (if at all). I wouldn't bother. Rabbit will continue to claim that The Troubles was a religious war for eternity, despite the fact that it wasn't. |
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Post by cupcakes on May 26, 2017 1:16:33 GMT
tpfkar You just lie forever. I never said it was a "religious war". It's you self-described "bombasitc prick" howling mimis that try to steer everything to black and white to suit the yt-level rage narratives you furiously try to peddle.
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Post by cupcakes on May 26, 2017 1:23:29 GMT
tpfkar Ghettoizing and letting anybody flout the law is pretty stupid, for sure. Effects primarily being countless wails on youtube. Because ignoring and covering up pedophilia is part of your culture. He was reported by Muslims. It's some combination of occurrences of gross negligence in the face of radicals and criminals, and some slant of the continuous bullshyte runs from you.
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Post by thorshairspray on May 26, 2017 1:32:47 GMT
tpfkar Ghettoizing and letting anybody flout the law is pretty stupid, for sure. Effects primarily being countless wails on youtube. Because ignoring and covering up pedophilia is part of your culture. He was reported by Muslims. It's some combination of occurrences of gross negligence in the face of radicals and criminals, and some slant of the continuous bullshyte runs from you.
There is a serious problem within the Muslim Asian community when it comes to the sexual abuse of young girls(mainly white)."Blah, blah ur wrong cos I dunt liek yoo. Teh ofisial report to teh Roverum case taht blamed the "potical correctiveness" is leik a lie n ur just a wacist n Youtube n tha." Thats what I got. |
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Post by cupcakes on May 26, 2017 1:36:43 GMT
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Post by thorshairspray on May 26, 2017 2:22:15 GMT
tpfkar You just lie forever. I never said it was a "religious war". It's you self-described "bombasitc prick" howling mimis that try to steer everything to black and white to suit the yt-level rage narratives you furiously try to peddle.
There is a serious problem within the Muslim Asian community when it comes to the sexual abuse of young girls(mainly white).BREAKING! Rabbit in bringing up something irrelevant a poster said months ago shocker. Posters on IMDB successor board @imdb V2.0 were shocked this evening as frequent poster, Cupcakes brought up a post by a different user for months ago. A source form IMDB V2. said: "Yeah, he does that, dunno why" The post relates to an apology made by User ThorsHairspray, at the time Thor, a notorious bigot, was suffering serious personal issues and vented on the board, later to apologise. However, Cupcakes, AKA Rabbit refuses to let this die, believing it proves something, because reasons. "I don't know why he bothers" poster Merv, might have said and Vegas Devil stated "Something Racist" Cinemachinery couldn't be bothered to comment. We approached Thor on the issue, but he simply threw some herring at us and shouted "F*CK OFF. I'm literally Hitler and I need to do stuff" This bizarre behaviour was explained by conspiracy nutjob ErJen, who might have said "Thor is actually a lizard man, see what happened is...." he continued but we got bored. The consequences however could be far reaching, as resident old guy, Old Sam Vines stated "Get off my lawn!" With the board split into two camps "Rambo" Cash said the "answer was to shoot them" which provoked a response from ozzy beach babe Goz, which we couldn't bothered to report as it is still going on. Blade however has the answer, according to Blade, both are "gay." This answer that we made up was attacked by many other users, Eddie Elizabeth Hitler summed up the board response to Blade by stated "He is a retard" As the online spat continued into what could only be described as an "online spat" we contacted the IMDB V2.0 for comment. Admin said "Who are you and why are you pretending to be a reporter? Is that an Avengers microphone? Sod off and talk to Skyhawk" Our attempts to contact Skyhawk failed, well, they didn't fail its just that we didn't really understand what he was saying, so we just nodded. User Keira was too nice to take sides, because she loves everybody, while PhDE said "I'm neither Rabbit or Thor, so can't answer the question"." Superdude was more forthcoming. According to Superdude Rabbit is jealous of Thors keks, he possibly said "Alright mate, mek it quick, am gagging fer a pint sunshiiiiiiiiiiiiine, oh right, yeah, Rabbit is a right angin twat, amma Live Forever me"" We had literally no idea what this meant, so we asked Thefleetsin, who didn't really say "Roses are red, violets are blue, f*ck off" Geode and Ruth both stated "We are real people with proper jobs, don't talk to us" "Thorshairspray is a Nazi" was the response we made up and attributed to Coady, "But at least he doesn't talk about Christians, not like the others" Smith concurred with the sentiments Coady didn't really express "Yeah, its odd, wait...who is Thor again?" We delved deeper into the Nazi connection finding numerous links, well one, to racist Youtube videos, with Ada suggesting this was the cause of the argument, "I never said that" she said. "Also, I'm not Ada and i'm not even here" Steve Allaby was probably quoted as saying "Guys, lets all be friends" while AJ-June was entirely reasonble, saying "I'm reasonable" a position quickly attacked by Arlon, who might have said "I'm the arbiter of whats reasonable" As we searched for more information as to he cause of Rabbits need to repost quotes, Progressive element said, "I don't know about that, here is a list of the Ten Bestest Ice Creams Evar!" While ArcArcStanton said "*** off, I'm a ******* atheist **** you **** I'll ******* ***** ***** ****tit!" at which point Eva Yojimbo neatly summed up all the arguments and gave a reasoned conclusion that everyone ignored. More on this story later. |
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Post by cupcakes on May 26, 2017 2:32:07 GMT
tpfkar Bigger breaking is the effort you put into that, my man.  And nothing that you never stop doing is irrelevant, Markie moan, like calling me "rabbit". I'll have to dig out some of the other head-hung-low stuff you posted those few times you hit the point in the bipolar curve where you actually feel shame. 
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Post by thorshairspray on May 26, 2017 2:51:11 GMT
tpfkar Bigger breaking is the effort you put into that, my man. And nothing that you never stop doing is irrelevant, Markie moan, like calling me "rabbit". I'll have to dig out some of the other head-hung-low stuff you posted those few times you hit the point in the bipolar curve where you actually feel shame.
No fair! You actually quoted something I said!Go for it!!!! Do it!!!! Do it!!! Bunny, did out those old saves of quotes, we've all missed not reading them! C'mon, bunny, bring on quotes from 14 years ago nobody remembers or cares about, they don't make you look like a very, very sad man in any way......... But yeah, I was going to leave it at the first sentence, but I got caught in the moment. |
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