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Post by petrolino on Feb 27, 2022 2:59:20 GMT
Alan Bates
Alan Bates' parents were both musicians. An intensely private man, he apparently lived a dangerous life that commentators described at times as a "double life", a "triple life", and beyond. His (slightly younger) contemporary David Hemmings said he wasn't to be trifled with. His friend and (even younger) contemporary Malcolm McDowell said he could handle anyone that was physically intimidating, he was hard as nails, resolute in his beliefs, and didn't suffer fools gladly; for all the gruff and bluster projected by drunken bully boy Oliver Reed for example, McDowell said Bates always had Reed's number at crunch time (he added that Reed was delightful company up to and around midday but the sauce often got the better of him).
The Angry RAF Man & Angry RAF Service Apprentice : Donald Pleasence & Alan Bates
Alan Bates woos Julie Christie (Al Pacino's favourite actress) with pipe suddenly in hand
Albert Finney visits Malcolm McDowell during the filming of 'If ...'
“An interview is as dependent on time and mood as acting is, it's a slightly false situation, you're with someone you don't know, and wouldn't perhaps ever have met, and you have to, sort of, work. It is work — ”)
- Alan Bates, New York Times
RADA Classmates : Alan Bates & Albert Finney
'Georgy Girl' - The Seekers
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Post by Penn Guinn on Feb 27, 2022 4:06:03 GMT
Whistle Down the Wind (1961)Have wanted to see this again for forever and finally got to see it on YouTube. It is even better than remembered. The film is based on the novel by Hayley Mills' mother Mary Hayley Bell
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Post by petrolino on Feb 27, 2022 4:11:59 GMT
The film is based on the novel by Hayley Mills' mother Mary Hayley Bell
Do you remember Alan Bates well? He was always fiery and difficult, by anyone's standards. I don't recall the last time I was "let down", but he earned a reputation, like Albert Finney and Malcolm McDowell, for being "difficult".
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Post by Penn Guinn on Feb 27, 2022 4:12:37 GMT
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Post by Penn Guinn on Feb 27, 2022 4:16:32 GMT
The film is based on the novel by Hayley Mills' mother Mary Hayley Bell
Do you remember Alan Bates well? He was always fiery and difficult, by anyone's standards. I don't recall the last time I was "let down", but he earned a reputation, like Albert Finney and Malcolm McDowell, for being "difficult".
I always liked him in whatever I saw him in but never followed the off screen doings of movie folk so potential difficulty ... dunno. I saw him on Broadway in a couple of plays ... don't remember the plays themselves but seeing him on stage was pretty cool because had liked Whistle so much
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Post by Penn Guinn on Feb 27, 2022 4:18:19 GMT
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Post by petrolino on Feb 27, 2022 5:08:49 GMT
Do you remember Alan Bates well? He was always fiery and difficult, by anyone's standards. I don't recall the last time I was "let down", but he earned a reputation, like Albert Finney and Malcolm McDowell, for being "difficult".
I always liked him in whatever I saw him in but never followed the off screen doings of movie folk so potential difficulty ... dunno. I saw him on Broadway in a couple of plays ... don't remember the plays themselves but seeing him on stage was pretty cool because had liked Whistle so much
Diffcult = Dedicated?
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Post by Penn Guinn on Feb 27, 2022 5:29:54 GMT
Just found the movie version on You Tube and it's now on my watch later list. It's Harold Pinter so I shall probably have no clue what is going on but ....it's Bates ! youtu.be/a784UV0gamk
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Post by Penn Guinn on Feb 27, 2022 5:40:35 GMT
Gosford Park (2001) as Jennings, the Butler
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Post by spiderwort on Feb 27, 2022 14:37:36 GMT
Ollie, I had the good fortune to see "Butley" in Los Angeles after it closed on Broadway, with Bates in the lead. He was wonderful, as was the play. And like you, I've been wanting to see WHISTLE DOWN THE WIND again. Haven't seen it since it was released, but loved it then and think I would love it still. I'll look for it on youtube (though how to search for it there is a mystery to me).
petrolino, thanks so much for this tribute to a wonderful actor who deserves to be remembered -- done in your usual inimitable way.
A few more films not yet mentioned that I remember loving him in: THE GO-BETWEEN, WOMEN IN LOVE, FAR FROM THE MADDING CROWD, and A KIND OF LOVING (which I recorded on TCM and am really looking forward to watching again; haven't seen it since it was first released, but loved it then -- yes, I saw all of those films for the first time on the big screen!).
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Post by marshamae on Feb 27, 2022 15:34:04 GMT
The Fixer really captured me when it came out. Now sadly it seems like a by the numbers storyof a small man caught up in a wicked system. Alan Bates as the victim had nothing to do but suffer. He had much more interesting roles in other films.
As the soldier converted to joining the mad folks in King of Hearts, as The cold young school teacher in Zorba , as Joss in Georgey Girl, he had so many twists and turns. The last film I saw him in , Gosford park was rather disappointing. In a film filled with people who were up to something , his part was distressingly one note. Not his fault and I guess everyone could not be as mysterious as JAMES Wilton, Camilla Rutherford ( I still don’t get what she was up to) and of course Helen Mirren and Eileen Atkins .
This is an actor I first became aware of in the mid - sixties with Georgie Girl , then Zorba. I probably saw both films ten times each , a lot of theater going in those pre- vcr days. Bates was mysterious , slightly sinister and full of mischief. He became an actor I wanted to see in anything he did. I wish I had seen him on stage. Women in Love , Far From The Madding Crowd, the Go Between, Whistle Down The Wind, all favorites. His American films, the Rose, and An Unmarried Woman were not too interesting. I haven’t seen and want to see Nijinsky, Three Sisters , Duet For One, Cherry Orchard and Hamlet .
I had high hopes of Quartet, from a beloved novel by Jean Rhys and a great cast , but it did not quite gel. I probably should see it again. The lost condition of the main character , Isabel Adjani resonated with me and a lot of my friends whose lives seemed to lose direction and focus in our late twenties. Bates and Maggie Smith played a wealthy couple up for anything, a kind of fun house Adjani wandered into.
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Post by Stammerhead on Feb 28, 2022 0:36:11 GMT
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Post by teleadm on Feb 28, 2022 18:22:51 GMT
A good early role was as Laurence Olivier's son in The Entertainer 1960.
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Post by timshelboy on Feb 28, 2022 20:10:36 GMT
So do I - Hands down one of my all time favourite actors. Top 5 films - all 10/10s for me -(chronologically) WHISTLE DOWN THE WIND A KIND OF LOVING (probably his keeper) With June Ritchie and Thora Hird FAR FROM THE MADDING CROWD a solid Oak - with Julie Christie QUARTET Merchant Ivory's best kept secret... Gorgeous Jean Rhys adaptation about decadent Expats involved in illegal art business. With Maggie Smith and Isabelle Adjani (NB Maggie starred in another QUARTET some 30 years later - make sure you watch the right one!) GOSFORD PARK but he was excellent in NOTHING BUT THE BEST, KING OF HEARTS, GEORGY GIRL, WOMEN IN LOVE, THE GO BETWEEN, THE SHOUT, AN UNMA|RRIED WOMAN, THE ROSE, SEPARATE TABLES for TV, PACK OF LIES, the 2002 LOVE IN A COLD CLIMATE. I'd recommend them all.. The least angry of the angry young men... more bemused and a little discombobulated by circumstances...and by far the most likeable of the lot.
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Post by timshelboy on Mar 1, 2022 9:40:08 GMT
Ollie, I had the good fortune to see "Butley" in Los Angeles after it closed on Broadway, with Bates in the lead. He was wonderful, as was the play. And like you, I've been wanting to see WHISTLE DOWN THE WIND again. Haven't seen it since it was released, but loved it then and think I would love it still. I'll look for it on youtube (though how to search for it there is a mystery to me).
petrolino , thanks so much for this tribute to a wonderful actor who deserves to be remembered -- done in your usual inimitable way.
A few more films not yet mentioned that I remember loving him in: THE GO-BETWEEN, WOMEN IN LOVE, FAR FROM THE MADDING CROWD, and A KIND OF LOVING (which I recorded on TCM and am really looking forward to watching again; haven't seen it since it was first released, but loved it then -- yes, I saw all of those films for the first time on the big screen!).
There you go Spider - see below -enjoy! On youtube you simply search for the Film using the title in the search function at the top - or you could search on a name - Alan Bates - and get a long list of free viewing! Bates' TV series OLIVERS TRAVELS is there too!. see link Searching youtube for search function I envy you rewatching A KIND OF LOVING after a 60 year gap - I love it dearly and rewatch it regularly - wonderful film with Bates at his most charming and dear Thora offering the screen's greatest Mother in Law. and here is A KIND OF LOVING Everything that was "with it" about a 1966 London on the cusp of "swinging".......in one gorgeously trendy couple - with Charlotte Rampling in GEORGY GIRL With Lynn Redgrave as GEORGY (her big sister Vanessa's BLOW UP was the other cinematic offering from 66 that put swinging London firmly on the map) and off screen together
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Post by Penn Guinn on Mar 1, 2022 14:05:26 GMT
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Post by spiderwort on Mar 2, 2022 13:02:51 GMT
There you go Spider - see below -enjoy! . . . Whistle Down the Wind - 1961 (Hayley Mills - Alan Bates - Bernard Lee) I envy you rewatching A KIND OF LOVING after a 60 year gap - I love it dearly and rewatch it regularly - wonderful film with Bates at his most charming and dear Thora offering the screen's greatest Mother in Law. and here is A KIND OF LOVING A Kind of Loving 1962 | Full Movie Online HD | Romance | John Schlesinger, Alan Bates, June Ritchie Thanks for the links, tim. I will get to both as soon as I can. I'm sure I'll love them now as much as I did when I first saw them. And I know that feeling about watching a film so long after the first viewing; it will be like seeing it for the first time (I think, anyway).
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Post by spiderwort on Mar 2, 2022 13:05:42 GMT
Thanks, Ollie. It will be very interesting to see (for the first time) the film version of this play that I've already seen. And to see it directed by Harold Pinter! That alone is inviting. Will get to it as soon as I can.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Mar 2, 2022 18:51:35 GMT
RE: Butley.
It's a film that is over two hours long. I made it through 45 minutes this morning. Alan Bates is terrific at being this thoroughly obnoxious intelligent bully of a man BUT I cannot watch it any longer. I don't like the character even a little bit and I don't care what sort of terrible day he is having or why he is such a cruel bastard of a man.
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