Eλευθερί
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 25, 2022 2:29:53 GMT
9/10
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Post by movielover on Mar 25, 2022 2:34:09 GMT
7.5/10
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Post by sjg on Mar 25, 2022 8:27:15 GMT
7/10
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 25, 2022 13:01:03 GMT
8/10
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 14, 2022 22:55:50 GMT
Does anyone on here actually DISCUSS why they rate a movie as they do?
10/10
This movie is a gem, and one of my favorite movies of all time. No, it isn't completely historically accurate, but the way this tale is told is genius.
I was a fan of Mozart's music long before the film, I have always liked classical music, and just the soundtrack is incredible. But paired with images, the music means so much more.
In high school, the school choir I sang in actually performed a Requiem Mass in Latin of a different composer, so I knew what all that was about. And the end; a genius who dies is buried in an unmarked mass grave. That is tragic.
I loved both actors, Tom Hulce and F. Murray Abraham. Each did an amazing job, but the scenes of Salieri telling the priest his story, and the last lines of that, concerning mediocrity, were the perfect summation of greed.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Apr 15, 2022 1:47:01 GMT
Does anyone on here actually DISCUSS why they rate a movie as they do? does for some movies where he is comparing different film versions of a given story. If you look at some of my older posts, I often did. But it doesn't seem like enough people read these posts or care enough for it to be worth the effort that goes into it.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Apr 15, 2022 1:50:04 GMT
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 15, 2022 2:42:02 GMT
Does anyone on here actually DISCUSS why they rate a movie as they do? does for some movies where he is comparing different film versions of a given story. If you look at some of my older posts, I often did. But it doesn't seem like enough people read these posts or care enough for it to be worth the effort that goes into it. Well, there is that. It is what I miss most about the old boards, everyone had an opinion.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 15, 2022 2:50:11 GMT
Thanks for the link, that is a good example.
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Post by Vits on Apr 18, 2022 15:25:42 GMT
Vits does for some movies where he is comparing different film versions of a given story. If you look at some of my older posts, I often did. But it doesn't seem like enough people read these posts or care enough for it to be worth the effort that goes into it. Well, there is that. It is what I miss most about the old boards, everyone had an opinion. It's not necessary, though. Sometimes, we don't feel like we have anything to say other than "I liked it" or "I didn't like it". That's what the numbers are for.
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Post by llanwydd on Apr 18, 2022 16:10:56 GMT
Well, what scale are we rating it by? For best film of 1984 I would give it the highest rating. As a comedy, I would give it a 7 or 8. As a biopic, a little lower. As just a fun film, 8 for the first three viewings.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 18, 2022 19:17:29 GMT
Well, what scale are we rating it by? For best film of 1984 I would give it the highest rating. As a comedy, I would give it a 7 or 8. As a biopic, a little lower. As just a fun film, 8 for the first three viewings. Just for fun?  That never occurred to me.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 18, 2022 19:18:50 GMT
Well, there is that. It is what I miss most about the old boards, everyone had an opinion. It's not necessary, though. Sometimes, we don't feel like we have anything to say other than "I liked it" or "I didn't like it". That's what the numbers are for. Well, I suppose, but why rate it if you don't explain why?
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Post by llanwydd on Apr 18, 2022 21:17:53 GMT
My, we are getting picky here. Some people want to give a review, some just like to rate the films. I do both sometimes. The freedom of choice is part of the fun.
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Post by Vits on Apr 19, 2022 11:35:17 GMT
Well, I suppose, but why rate it if you don't explain why? Well, it's not literally a rating. We're not using math to judge the quality. It's a number that sums up how we feel about the movie overall.
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Post by NJtoTX on Apr 19, 2022 21:36:39 GMT
8/10.
Yes, not a documentary, but Mozart and Salieri respected each other, were friendly rivals for a short time, and Mozart likely died from alcoholism.
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Post by NJtoTX on Sept 10, 2023 12:34:13 GMT
From a classically trained friend:
Last night, we streamed "Amadeus".
It's an extremely well done movie which is so full of shit that I'm surprised the entire movie isn't sepia-toned.
Salieri had nothing to do with Mozart's death. Salieri and Mozart were professional rivals, but they both respected one another and even teamed together on some projects.
After Mozart's death, Salieri taught Mozart's son, Franz Xavier Mozart. If Mozart and Salieri were such "bitter enemies", why would Constanze have *allowed* Salieri to teach her son (who was a fairly successful musician, but not the genius his father was).
Salieri was a very successful composer of operas. One of his operas, “Die Neger,” includes an interracial love duet. (Imagine THAT in conservative Vienna of the early 1800s!)
Amadeus portrays Austrian Emperor Joseph II as a dithering idiot. Joseph II was one of the more enlightened monarchs of the day, noted for his rejection of regal pomp, his expansion of popular education, his integration of Jews into Austrian society, and his cultivation of a modern state bureaucracy. An edict that he issued in 1782, suggesting that “all our subjects, without distinction of nation and religion . . . should enjoy a legally guaranteed freedom,” was nearly as radical as anything propounded in France or America.
Joseph II also had a keenly musical man who acted as a full-time artistic administrator, attending to composers, librettists, singers, and budgets as if there were nothing more important to occupy his time. Vienna’s move to the center of European musical life had much to do with Joseph’s determination to attract talented artists—and, when necessary, to set them in competition with one another. Joseph II was largely the reason that Vienna became the center of the musical world in the latter half of the 18th century.
Who (or what) killed Mozart? Probably Mozart, What the movie doesn't cover is the fact that Mozart was a compulsive gambler, and what income he made from his operas and symphonies went to gambling, and his gambling debts kept him in poverty despite his successes. His death was likely due to a strep infection. Strep infections in the late 1800s were frequently a death sentence.
Salieri's students read like an early 19th century Who's Who of Romanticism: Hummel. Weber. Beethoven. Schubert. Liszt. The only other teacher who exerted a greater influence over an entire generation of great composers was Nadia Boulanger in the 20th century.
"Salieri killed Mozart" is an urban legend -- just like razorblades in Hallowe'en apples, the 1980s "Satanic panic", and Hillary's Pizza Parlor.
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