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Post by moviemouth on Jul 5, 2022 16:08:35 GMT
The Bible is not a human product, and it's not our place to question God's reasons. We can, but it's not our place. That is an unfounded assertion based on biased assumptions. You are beginning with the Bible is truth, which is a circular argument. You point to a text in the Bible to support that the Bible is inspired by God. That is the definition of a circular argument. It all comes down to "the Bible is inspired by God because a bunch of humans decided it is." Yet not one human in history can prove they have ever had revelation from God or that any God exists to have given revelation. The more someone reads about religion the more ambiguous it becomes and ambiguity should never be asserted as truth.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 5, 2022 16:26:02 GMT
“The Bible is a human product: it tells us how our religious ancestors saw things, not how God sees things.” – Marcus J. Borg, [Borg] was among the most widely known and influential voices in Liberal Christianity. As a fellow of the Jesus Seminar, Borg was a major figure in historical Jesus scholarship. (Wikipedia)And, yeah, if you don’t believe in God and/or believe that the Bible is a cruel and harmful book, that’s fine. That is what I believe, too. It just means that the “how could a loving God permit this” - as with the killing of all the men, women, children, and animals in a city in the Book of Joshua - questions are irrelevant. It is not “God,” it is ancient world religious writers who believed that about their God. God ordered entire cities to be wiped out because those people were enemies of God, according to the Jewish people. Some more outsider beliefs are that some of those people weren't even human, but offspring of renegade angels. What it really comes down to is that there were different groups of people who had conflicting views and that led to genocide and wars. When the supposed all-knowing, all-loving, unchanging, all-powerful creator of everything can't be even remotely as clear as laws made by men, there is a serious problem. I know what the law is and what the punishment is for breaking the law, because I have proof of this. Man's law is very clear, God's law is not and the punishment for breaking God's law isn't even remotely clear because nobody has experienced any punishment from God and came back to relay what that punishment is. It is especially problematic when you can break God's most sacred commandments, but that get a pass if you accept Jesus. In reality I can't murder someone in cold blood and get off by expressing how deeply sorry I am for murdering someone in cold blood and then get to live out my life on some fancy island somewhere. There is a huge secondary issue here if you believe in Hell and that is "If life is eternal then eternal punishment for finite crimes is monstrous." In reality we have laws that are in place to protect human beings because life is finite. If killing someone wasn't possible in reality, the our laws would be much different. Under most Christian views killing someone isn't possible, you are just moving the person from one place to another place and supposedly to a much better place. This is very strong evidence that all these God laws are just made by humans to protect other humans from ceasing to exist sooner than is their time, because humans have a natural desire to survive.
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Post by MooseNugget on Jul 27, 2022 8:08:32 GMT
When preachers talked about god destroying cities, in the back of my mind I understood it to be god correcting his own mistakes at the expense of people. The Bible as much as admits that about the flood. I think bad things happen, and in a world that supposedly controlled by an all mighty being people wonder how things like that can take place. I've experienced it after my brother died and his girlfriend was wondering if the angles had mistakenly grabbed him instead of her. I guess if you're a theist it's too hard too accept that god(s) allows or does bad things, so instead it's a mistake or a punishment.
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