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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 5, 2022 18:09:33 GMT
...to be brother and sister was a good idea? Lucas didn't originally intend for that and I don't think he decided to write that in until ROTJ. I guess it was the only way Lucas could think of to get Skywalker to try and kill Vader (after Vader reveals he would try to convert his sister to the dark side, he loses it and tries to kill Vader). But of course there's the creepy incest angle that still lingers from the previous films as a result.
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Post by Archelaus on Jun 5, 2022 18:17:55 GMT
It was a bad idea at first because it seemingly comes out nowhere. It makes a wide universe seem even smaller if your main characters are so close in familial relationships. I can buy Leia is Force sensitive as hinted in The Empire Strikes Back, but I wish George Lucas did create a new female character instead of selecting Leia. Now that we have a prequel trilogy that has explained why they were separated at birth, I can accept it.
EDIT: Also, Lucas wrote Leia to be Luke's sister because he had to explain what Yoda meant by "There is another". Originally, Luke's sister was to be a new character that Luke would meet in the earliest concepts of the "sequel trilogy". However, The Empire Strikes Back proved to be a chaotic production that he scrapped plans for a sequel trilogy. He then decided to end the series with Return of the Jedi and make Leia Luke's sister to close that plot line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 18:26:34 GMT
I think it was an awful idea and it hasn't really grown on me. I suspect part of it was to write themselves out of the love triangle with no hard feelings, but why not? Luke should be tempted by the dark side and joining his father. If Leia chose Han over him, at least there'd be a little more suspense over him turning his back on them.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 5, 2022 18:28:57 GMT
It’s said and done. But yeah it’s kind of odd.
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Post by James on Jun 5, 2022 18:57:53 GMT
Not the best of ideas at first, but it's grown on me.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 5, 2022 19:35:36 GMT
...to be brother and sister was a good idea? Lucas didn't originally intend for that and I don't think he decided to write that in until ROTJ. I guess it was the only way Lucas could think of to get Skywalker to try and kill Vader (after Vader reveals he would try to convert his sister to the dark side, he loses it and tries to kill Vader). But of course there's the creepy incest angle that still lingers from the previous films as a result. It's only creepy for people who are obsessed with incest, and can't see that Luke & Leia did nothing wrong because they didn't know... and as you said. Lucas didn't even know. So. NO INCEST.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 5, 2022 19:39:36 GMT
I am fine with them being siblings.
Was it a mistake ?.
I don`t think its my place to say whether or not George Lucas made a mistake.
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Jun 5, 2022 19:43:59 GMT
After Empire, he probably needed another plot twist. Luke and Leia as siblings must've seemed like a decent idea at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 20:03:27 GMT
I am fine with them being siblings. Was it a mistake ?. I don`t think its my place to say whether or not George Lucas made a mistake. Not even Jar Jar? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 20:03:56 GMT
...to be brother and sister was a good idea? Lucas didn't originally intend for that and I don't think he decided to write that in until ROTJ. I guess it was the only way Lucas could think of to get Skywalker to try and kill Vader (after Vader reveals he would try to convert his sister to the dark side, he loses it and tries to kill Vader). But of course there's the creepy incest angle that still lingers from the previous films as a result. It's only creepy for people who are obsessed with incest, and can't see that Luke & Leia did nothing wrong because they didn't know... and as you said. Lucas didn't even know. So. NO INCEST. I guess by that logic, neither did Oedipus. |
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 5, 2022 20:14:04 GMT
I am fine with them being siblings. Was it a mistake ?. I don`t think its my place to say whether or not George Lucas made a mistake. Not even Jar Jar? I never had a problem with Jar Jar. Sure there was no need for him, but i did not mind him as much as many people did.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 5, 2022 20:17:50 GMT
It's only creepy for people who are obsessed with incest, and can't see that Luke & Leia did nothing wrong because they didn't know... and as you said. Lucas didn't even know. So. NO INCEST. I guess by that logic, neither did Oedipus. I think there is a difference here, Leia just kissed Luke ( and yes it was Leia that kissed Luke) but Oedipus fucked his mother and had children with her.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 5, 2022 20:24:27 GMT
I guess by that logic, neither did Oedipus. I think there is a difference here, Leia just kissed Luke ( and yes it was Leia that kissed Luke) but Oedipus fucked his mother and had children with her. Makes one wonder... For every person that ever kissed their parents or siblings or relatives or parents even kissing their children goodnight... Were they committing INCEST? Afterall, they KNEW that the other person they were kissing... were family...   INCEST?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 5, 2022 20:26:49 GMT
...to be brother and sister was a good idea? Lucas didn't originally intend for that and I don't think he decided to write that in until ROTJ. I guess it was the only way Lucas could think of to get Skywalker to try and kill Vader (after Vader reveals he would try to convert his sister to the dark side, he loses it and tries to kill Vader). But of course there's the creepy incest angle that still lingers from the previous films as a result. It's only creepy for people who are obsessed with incest, and can't see that Luke & Leia did nothing wrong because they didn't know... and as you said. Lucas didn't even know. So. NO INCEST. Uh no, there was IMPLIED incest, there's no getting around that. Luke was attracted to her in the first one, they made out in the second. If Han wasn't in the picture and attracted Leia away from Luke, who knows how far they would have taken it (do you really wanna go there?). Luke not knowing Leia is sister is irrelevant to whether is counts as incest.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 5, 2022 20:28:40 GMT
I think there is a difference here, Leia just kissed Luke ( and yes it was Leia that kissed Luke) but Oedipus fucked his mother and had children with her. Makes one wonder... For every person that ever kissed their parents or siblings or relatives or parents even kissing their children goodnight... Were they committing INCEST? Afterall, they KNEW that the other person they were kissing... were family... INCEST? Uh that's not the same thing and you know it, is there an implied sexual attraction when a parent kisses their child? If a man nuzzles a woman breast is that the same thing as a woman breastfeeding her baby? You're being very dissingenous and I think you know it.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 5, 2022 20:29:14 GMT
It's only creepy for people who are obsessed with incest, and can't see that Luke & Leia did nothing wrong because they didn't know... and as you said. Lucas didn't even know. So. NO INCEST. Uh no, there was IMPLIED incest, there's no getting around that. Luke was attracted to her in the first one, they made out in the second. If Han wasn't in the picture and attracted Leia away from Luke, who knows how far they would have taken it (do you really wanna go there?). Whether or not it was intentional or not is a different matter. No There Wasn't... Implied INCEST would mean kissing or having sex with someone that YOU KNOW is related to you. Luke & Leia didn't know they were related to each other in Empire Strikes Back.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 5, 2022 20:29:37 GMT
I think there is a difference here, Leia just kissed Luke ( and yes it was Leia that kissed Luke) but Oedipus fucked his mother and had children with her. Makes one wonder... For every person that ever kissed their parents or siblings or relatives or parents even kissing their children goodnight... Were they committing INCEST? Afterall, they KNEW that the other person they were kissing... were family... INCEST? I don`t think a light kiss can be considered incest. And the kiss between Luke and Leia was a light kiss. So no not incest But French kissing i would say is incest.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 5, 2022 20:30:24 GMT
Uh no, there was IMPLIED incest, there's no getting around that. Luke was attracted to her in the first one, they made out in the second. If Han wasn't in the picture and attracted Leia away from Luke, who knows how far they would have taken it (do you really wanna go there?). Whether or not it was intentional or not is a different matter. No There Wasn't... Implied INCEST would mean kissing or having sex with someone that YOU KNOW is related to you. Luke & Leia didn't know they were related to each other in Empire Strikes Back. "Implied INCEST would mean kissing or having sex with someone that YOU KNOW is related to you." Ok so you don't know what incest actually means. Gotcha.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 5, 2022 20:34:00 GMT
No There Wasn't... Implied INCEST would mean kissing or having sex with someone that YOU KNOW is related to you. Luke & Leia didn't know they were related to each other in Empire Strikes Back. "Implied INCEST would mean kissing or having sex with someone that YOU KNOW is related to you." Ok so you don't know what incest actually means. Gotcha. Incest is when you kiss or have sex with someone that related to you. They didn't know they were related to each other... NO ONE new until Return of the Jedi came out... So it wasn't incest when the film came out, and it certainly was NEVER "implied".
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 5, 2022 20:38:09 GMT
"Implied INCEST would mean kissing or having sex with someone that YOU KNOW is related to you." Ok so you don't know what incest actually means. Gotcha. Incest is when you kiss or have sex with someone that related to you. They didn't know they were related to each other... NO ONE new until Return of the Jedi came out... So it wasn't incest when the film came out, and it certainly was NEVER "implied". "Incest is when you kiss or have sex with someone that related to you." Yeah and Luke and Leia were related. How does this contradict what I said? "They didn't know they were related to each other..." That has nothing to do with incest, whether or not two relatives knowingly have sex with one another is irrelevant to the actual defintion of "incest". You can look it up yourself. "and it certainly was NEVER "implied"." Uh Leia and Luke made out in the second one, which IMPLIES sexual attraction, if Han wasn't a factor, well again who knows how far they would have taken it. Do you really wanna die on this hill?
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