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Post by marianne48 on Jul 5, 2022 15:04:47 GMT
Elvis Presley's dreams of film stardom were repeatedly dashed by his overbearing manager, "Colonel" Tom Parker. According to various sources, these are the film roles he was offered over the years:
Ricky Nelson's role in Rio Bravo
Tony Curtis's role in The Defiant Ones
Conrad Birdie in Bye Bye Birdie
Joe Buck in Midnight Cowboy
Willie Wonka in Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (!)
Kris Kristofferson's role in A Star is Born
Does anyone know of any other decent film roles he was offered over the years? Do you think he might have been around a lot longer if he'd had a more decent filmography than the silly movies he was goaded into making by his manager?
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Post by movielover on Jul 5, 2022 15:06:16 GMT
Willy Wonka? lol...what a disaster that would’ve been.
Rio Bravo and Bye Bye Birdie would’ve worked, I think.
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Post by AcousticBlues77 on Jul 5, 2022 15:17:17 GMT
I heard he was offered the role of the Texas ranger La Boeuf that Glen Campbell played, but the "colonel" nixed that deal, too, because Elvis wouldn't have gotten top billing. Sheesh! Billing above the film's star, John Wayne. Tom Parker didn't do Elvis any favors.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 5, 2022 15:25:56 GMT
I thought I had read somewhere that he was offered Warren Oates role in In the Heat of the Night. Could be wrong.
A lot of them could have worked. I think Elvis could act but he never had a real role other than Flaming Star and Charro!. Co-incidentally, the two movies where he did almost no singing. The Defiant Ones is a role I really think he could have nailed. But he was force into all those silly roles. Some of it was Colonel Tom Parker. Parker was afraid that if Presley got to be a huge movie star, he would lose his absolute control over the King. Also, his movie formula did make money. The movies, even the stinkers, did well at the box office and the soundtracks sold very well. There was the legitimate concern that if Elvis made a legitimate movie, like The Defiant Ones, and it bombed, it would wreck his career, both on screen and in music.
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Post by Isapop on Jul 5, 2022 16:59:20 GMT
Elvis Presley's dreams of film stardom were repeatedly dashed by his overbearing manager, "Colonel" Tom Parker. According to various sources, these are the film roles he was offered over the years: Ricky Nelson's role in Rio Bravo
Tony Curtis's role in The Defiant Ones
Conrad Birdie in Bye Bye Birdie
Joe Buck in Midnight Cowboy
Willie Wonka in Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (!)
Kris Kristofferson's role in A Star is BornDoes anyone know of any other decent film roles he was offered over the years? Do you think he might have been around a lot longer if he'd had a more decent filmography than the silly movies he was goaded into making by his manager? Did you throw that one in as a test just to see if we're paying attention?
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Post by mikef6 on Jul 5, 2022 18:10:31 GMT
When Robert Mitchum was producing the now cult classic "Thunder Road" (1958) for himself to star in, he wanted Elvis to play his younger brother. Col. Parker didn't turn him down outright but demanded a fee that was larger than the entire film's budget. Mitchum's own son James got the part and came with a much more reasonable price tag. James Mitchum, almost a clone of his father.
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Post by mikef6 on Jul 5, 2022 18:18:39 GMT
In some cases, Parker may have been protecting Elvis. One biography I read of Presley said that the Col. turned down "A Star Is Born" because by 1976 Elvis had been stoned for about a decade. Col. Parker thought Elvis just couldn't handle it and scandal might ensue.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Jul 5, 2022 18:20:07 GMT
It was interesting to see his change as an actor from his almost embarrassing amateur awkwardness in Love me Tender to his comfort in front of the camera playing versions of "himself" in the musicals. One of his best performances, imo, was in King Creole where he showed the beginning of "what might have been" if only the colonel .....
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Post by marianne48 on Jul 5, 2022 18:27:20 GMT
Elvis Presley's dreams of film stardom were repeatedly dashed by his overbearing manager, "Colonel" Tom Parker. According to various sources, these are the film roles he was offered over the years: Ricky Nelson's role in Rio Bravo
Tony Curtis's role in The Defiant Ones
Conrad Birdie in Bye Bye Birdie
Joe Buck in Midnight Cowboy
Willie Wonka in Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (!)
Kris Kristofferson's role in A Star is BornDoes anyone know of any other decent film roles he was offered over the years? Do you think he might have been around a lot longer if he'd had a more decent filmography than the silly movies he was goaded into making by his manager? Did you throw that one in as a test just to see if we're paying attention? I was afraid people would assume that, but apparently it's true that Presley was "briefly considered" for the role (maybe because Wonka sings in the film, or maybe Elvis really, really liked candy). It might be hard to picture Presley in place of Gene Wilder, but he couldn't have been worse than Johnny Depp's Michael Jackson-ish take on the role in the remake. Just found a couple more: Paul Newman's role in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (The part was offered to Presley through Parker, who turned it down "on [Elvis'] behalf") Robert Duvall's role in The Godfather
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Post by marshamae on Jul 5, 2022 18:49:07 GMT
For the sake of this discussion let’s assume that sometime during Elvis’ hitch in the army, col parker fell off a boat going to Catalina and drowned of his own weight. Now think of Elvis coming back and needing to restart his music career, find a new management team and plot his entry into films. What would he choose?
Rio Bravo would have been a perfect part for him. He would have had the security of a secondary part he could play, surrounded by pros who would give strong performances and maybe some mentoring and camaraderie. One thing that strikes me about Elvis is how completely isolated he was . An actor like Wayne, good at building his team, and working with family and friends, and Dean Martin, at the top of night club work and learning to move into films, also good at working with a team while maintaining his own space, Elvis would have been with two men who could have helped him a lot.
Conrad Birdie would have been a terrible mistake. As it was, it was an homage to Elvis. If Elvis played it , he was the joke. Reminds me of Boris Karloff playing Jonathon in Arsonic and Old Lace , although in that case it worked either way.
I am a little intrigued by the idea of of Elvis as Willy Wonka.
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Post by jervistetch on Jul 5, 2022 19:37:29 GMT
Apparently, Graceland was a chocolate factory.
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Post by timshelboy on Jul 5, 2022 22:05:44 GMT
For the sake of this discussion let’s assume that sometime during Elvis’ hitch in the army, col parker fell off a boat going to Catalina and drowned of his own weight. Now think of Elvis coming back and needing to restart his music career, find a new management team and plot his entry into films. What would he choose? Rio Bravo would have been a perfect part for him. He would have had the security of a secondary part he could play, surrounded by pros who would give strong performances and maybe some mentoring and camaraderie. One thing that strikes me about Elvis is how completely isolated he was . An actor like Wayne, good at building his team, and working with family and friends, and Dean Martin, at the top of night club work and learning to move into films, also good at working with a team while maintaining his own space, Elvis would have been with two men who could have helped him a lot. Conrad Birdie would have been a terrible mistake. As it was, it was an homage to Elvis. If Elvis played it , he was the joke. Reminds me of Boris Karloff playing Jonathon in Arsonic and Old Lace , although in that case it worked either way. I am a little intrigued by the idea of of Elvis as Willy Wonka. The other issue with BIRDIE is he would have been supporting dick van dyke.... it may be the title role but it wasn’t the lead joe buck is an interesting thought but suspect he was too lardy by that point
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Post by marianne48 on Jul 5, 2022 22:09:56 GMT
In some cases, Parker may have been protecting Elvis. One biography I read of Presley said that the Col. turned down "A Star Is Born" because by 1976 Elvis had been stoned for about a decade. Col. Parker thought Elvis just couldn't handle it and scandal might ensue. Maybe getting the role might have been the shove he needed to clean up a little and attempt a comeback. Instead he was dead a year later, and his drug use caused a scandal. What a shame that he wasn't able to escape from his controlling manager as Brian Wilson was eventually able to do ( Love & Mercy is an excellent depiction of Wilson's nightmare with his therapist/"advisor").
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Post by telegonus on Jul 5, 2022 22:26:50 GMT
When I saw Walking Tall in the theater I felt that Joe Don Baker bore a resemblance to Elvis, and I wondered how the film would have done with Elvis in the lead. Maybe well, maybe not. Elvis was such a superstar it might have literally horrified his fans to see him getting shot up like that. Also, while I see some acting talent in Mr. Presley, I can only wonder how credible he would have been in such a dramatic role. The film might have bombed, or played as a campfest. Seriously, the guy had never done anything like that movie, nor even a sort of precursor. He was a master at what he did, and an attempt at what many might have seen as a "makeover" might have hurt him. It's not like a middle-aged crooner, Dick Powell, walking away from an already somewhat faded stardom to enter a whole new career phase. Nor did, I suspect, Elvis himself want to change his image like that. He really loved singing, enjoyed what he did, and I doubt he would have cared to "move on". He was already an icon; and besides he was too out of shape for an "action career".
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Post by stryker on Jul 5, 2022 22:48:22 GMT
When I saw Walking Tall in the theater I felt that Joe Don Baker bore a resemblance to Elvis, and I wondered how the film would have done with Elvis in the lead. Maybe well, maybe not. Elvis was such a superstar it might have literally horrified his fans to see him getting shot up like that. Also, while I see some acting talent in Mr. Presley, I can only wonder how credible he would have been in such a dramatic role. The film might have bombed, or played as a campfest. Seriously, the guy had never done anything like that movie, nor even a sort of precursor. He was a master at what he did, and an attempt at what many might have seen as a "makeover" might have hurt him. It's not like a middle-aged crooner, Dick Powell, walking away from an already somewhat faded stardom to enter a whole new career phase. Nor did, I suspect, Elvis himself want to change his image like that. He really loved singing, enjoyed what he did, and I doubt he would have cared to "move on". He was already an icon; and besides he was too out of shape for an "action career". Elvis would, IMHO, have made a dreadful Buford Pusser.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 5, 2022 23:06:22 GMT
Rio Bravo would had been a cinch for him. Maybe even replacing Tony Curtis in The Defiant Ones. The rest would at least had been hilariously bad miscasting.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Jul 5, 2022 23:08:31 GMT
I can see him quite easily in Bravo but for me... Defiant Ones ... no way !
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Post by marianne48 on Jul 6, 2022 0:08:12 GMT
Found two more:
Tony in West Side Story
Paul Newman's role in Sweet Bird of Youth
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 6, 2022 3:46:09 GMT
I can see him quite easily in Bravo but for me... Defiant Ones ... no way ! Curtis' character in TDO was just an ignorant, racist redneck. I think Elvis' face and natural accent would have been perfect. Guaranteed success, no. It would have been a challenge to go from his normal fare of lifeguards and stock car drivers to a desperate escapee from a chain gang.
Parker undoubtedly was hamstringing Presley's career. Parker did make some brilliant decisions early on. Taking Elvis to the edge of obscenity but not over. Encouraging him to serve in the Army and not just in Special Services but as a regular GI (it endeared him to all Americans, not just kids). After the army, he sucked every drop out of Presley. Because he left the Netherlands under a cloud (possible murder rap), he couldn't apply for a passport. He couldn't leave the US so Elvis couldn't leave. Presley left millions on the table because he never toured outside of the US. He made the ghastly movies and passed on serious roles because Parker could influence crap like Clambake and Spinout.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Jul 6, 2022 4:39:37 GMT
I can see him quite easily in Bravo but for me... Defiant Ones ... no way ! Curtis' character in TDO was just an ignorant, racist redneck. I think Elvis' face and natural accent would have been perfect.
Joker was also an ANGRY man and in 1958 Presley was just too "non-actor" to have managed that particular role. (imo). He was a singer who was new at making movies and still pretty amateurish and noticeably "trying hard" Curtis too played against type but he was an experienced actor by then and was able to drop his pretty boy with charm image for the role. Those came after the stint in the army ..in the 60's... Defiant Ones was in 1958 with only Love Me Tender, Loving You, King Creole and Jailhouse Rock under his acting belt.
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