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Post by alpha128 on Jul 16, 2022 20:04:21 GMT
Inspired by my latest post in the quote thread for My Science Project (1985), I recently watched three first time reaction videos for "The City on the Edge of Forever". If you just want to see their reactions to the climactic scene, those start at 17:23 , 16:05 , and 10:46 respectively. |
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Post by MCDemuth on Dec 11, 2022 2:40:56 GMT
I watch stuff like this sometimes... It's fun to see first reactions to media I saw years ago...
It's interesting, how younger audiences don't want to watch older media, and then when they do, they love it.
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Post by amyghost on Dec 14, 2022 20:22:35 GMT
Harlan Ellison could sometimes be a bit self-aggrandizing about his own work (yes, I realize that's a little like saying the ocean is a bit wet, lol), but I do agree his original concept was butchered. That said, his original concept would likely have been un-airable for network television at the time. But I'd have certainly liked to see the story presented in its original, unadulterated version. One for the fantasy list.
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Post by alpha128 on Dec 15, 2022 2:55:28 GMT
Harlan Ellison could sometimes be a bit self-aggrandizing about his own work (yes, I realize that's a little like saying the ocean is a bit wet, lol), but I do agree his original concept was butchered. That said, his original concept would likely have been un-airable for network television at the time. But I'd have certainly liked to see the story presented in its original, unadulterated version. One for the fantasy list. The "original, unadulterated version" was produced as a comic and recapped in the video below. Personally, I agree with Ellison that "Trooper" was a great character, and was watered down into "Rodent". And I agree that having McCoy accidentally inject himself with a dangerous drug was a bad look for the good doctor. However, I disagree with Ellison's having Kirk be frozen by indecision, and having Spock be the one to do the deed - because he's the logical one. For Spock, the decision to let Edith die is a no-brainer. But for Kirk it's a difficult decision. It's one thing to know, intellectually, that someone has to die to save the future. It's another thing entirely to be the one to make them die, especially when its the woman you love. At the very end of the televised episode, when Kirk says, "Let's get the hell out of here", you just know that his decision is one that is going to haunt him for a very long time. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 17, 2022 1:12:18 GMT
Personally, I don't think this is the best ST episode.
The quintessential ST episode IMO is Devil in the Dark which I heard was also William Shatner's (you can rearrange the letters to spell Animal Whistler) favorite.
It has all the classic elements.
It has encounter with alien life
Spock mind-meld--(one of the best uses of it)
and McCoy has his part
and the ending resolves the conflict in a way that is agreeable to all sides
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Post by alpha128 on Dec 17, 2022 2:56:21 GMT
Personally, I don't think this is the best ST episode. It may be the best, but my it's not my favorite either. My personal favorite is "The Doomsday Machine". |
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 17, 2022 7:12:01 GMT
Vulcans never bluff.
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Post by MCDemuth on Dec 17, 2022 7:46:01 GMT
And a Vulcan ship would have been destroyed, in "The Corbomite Maneuver". And they held back the early Warp program on Earth? Because Humans were not "ready" for Space Travel? LOL! Thank God, the Enterprise has all kinds of Lifeforms on board... Many different Ideas & Knowledge for Kirk to use in order to deal with the Unknown, by helping him think outside the box of classic training and standard procedures. If the Vulcans had sent a ship to investigate V'Ger in "The Motion Picture", Earth would have been destroyed too... They would have returned scans & raised their shields, and armed weapons, and would have appeared hostile... But, Kirk played it cool, and got inside. |
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Post by alpha128 on Dec 17, 2022 17:04:49 GMT
And a Vulcan ship would have been destroyed, in "The Corbomite Maneuver". And they held back the early Warp program on Earth? Because Humans were not "ready" for Space Travel? LOL! Thank God, the Enterprise has all kinds of Lifeforms on board... Many different Ideas & Knowledge for Kirk to use in order to deal with the Unknown, by helping him think outside the box of classic training and standard procedures. If the Vulcans had sent a ship to investigate V'Ger in "The Motion Picture", Earth would have been destroyed too... They would have returned scans & raised their shields, and armed weapons, and would have appeared hostile... But, Kirk played it cool, and got inside. We actually had all Vulcan starship mentioned in "The Immunity Syndrome". It didn't turn out well for the USS Intrepid: |
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 17, 2022 20:14:02 GMT
William Windom--I like his reaction to the "vulcans never bluff" line.
He fiddles with those plastic cards too--which I assume was meant to remind one of Queeg's ball bearings in the Caine Mutiny.
I used to watch this episode and wonder why he was fiddling with those things.
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Post by alpha128 on Dec 17, 2022 20:30:17 GMT
William Windom--I like his reaction to the "vulcans never bluff" line. He fiddles with those plastic cards too--which I assume was meant to remind one of Queeg's ball bearings in the Caine Mutiny. I used to watch this episode and wonder why he was fiddling with those things. Per Memory Alpha: |
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 17, 2022 22:11:22 GMT
Harlan Ellison could sometimes be a bit self-aggrandizing about his own work (yes, I realize that's a little like saying the ocean is a bit wet, lol), but I do agree his original concept was butchered. That said, his original concept would likely have been un-airable for network television at the time. But I'd have certainly liked to see the story presented in its original, unadulterated version. One for the fantasy list. Ellison alway bit the hand that fed him. He detested his fans too. He thought he was more than a genre writer. But he was a good writer. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 11, 2023 20:35:58 GMT
I would say the best time travel episode is COTEOF and the best alien encounter episode is DITD and the best ship-based episode was The Doomsday Machine (rewatched it).
It is a great episode. Windom really shines in the Dekker role. The score is great but the CGI is terribly dated now.
They should redo it with better texturing so it looks more like real models and closer to the original model work.
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Post by alpha128 on Feb 12, 2023 19:46:00 GMT
I would say the best time travel episode is COTEOF and the best alien encounter episode is DITD and the best ship-based episode was The Doomsday Machine (rewatched it). It is a great episode. Windom really shines in the Dekker role. The score is great but the CGI is terribly dated now. They should redo it with better texturing so it looks more like real models and closer to the original model work. I always thought the remastered special effects were hit and miss. When I do I quote threads over on the IMDB v2.2 Movie Quotes board, I typically use the original effects shots because they seem more "real" to me. However, sometimes the remastered effects are more appropriate for what I've trying to achieve as in this recent example from the Capricorn One (1978) quote thread. |
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