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Post by mikef6 on Aug 2, 2022 0:43:38 GMT
This “Christian” movie opens in one theater in Phoenix four days from now. Hurry and get your tickets. This movie has got EVERYTHING. There is Satan with wings and wearing sneakers, there’s Hitler, there’s a white guy playing Judas, there’s eyerolling acting. Like I said EVERYTHING. Seriously, Hell would be having to sit through this movie.
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Post by Isapop on Aug 2, 2022 13:55:27 GMT
Just the movie to take Christian Camp kids to for a field trip.
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Post by clusium on Aug 2, 2022 14:15:09 GMT
This “Christian” movie opens in one theater in Phoenix four days from now. Hurry and get your tickets. This movie has got EVERYTHING. There is Satan with wings and wearing sneakers, there’s Hitler, there’s a white guy playing Judas, there’s eyerolling acting. Like I said EVERYTHING. Seriously, Hell would be having to sit through this movie. Anybody remember this movie right here? Drag Me To Hell
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Post by clusium on Aug 2, 2022 14:18:06 GMT
Just the movie to take Christian Camp kids to for a field trip. Christian movies are not what they used to be. A Man For All Seasons
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Post by Isapop on Aug 2, 2022 14:52:33 GMT
Just the movie to take Christian Camp kids to for a field trip. Christian movies are not what they used to be. A Man For All Seasons Categorizing "A Man For All Seasons" as a Christian movie makes for an interesting topic of debate, given that its author, Robert Bolt, was atheist/agnostic. He saw the case of Thomas More as an example of personal integrity in extreme stress, rather than Christian martyrdom. But here are Bolt's words: "Thomas More, as I wrote about him, became for me a man with an adamantine sense of his own self. He knew where he began and left off...But I am not a Catholic nor even in the meaningful sense of the word a Christian. So by what right do I appropriate a Christian Saint to my purposes? Or to put it the other way, why do I take as my hero a man who brings about his own death because he can’t put his hand on an old black book and tell an ordinary lie? For this reason: A man takes an oath only when he wants to commit himself quite exceptionally to the statement, when he wants to make an identity between the truth of it and his own virtue; he offers himself as a guarantee."www.catholic365.com/article/4620/the-atheist-and-the-martyr.html
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Post by clusium on Aug 2, 2022 15:43:00 GMT
Categorizing "A Man For All Seasons" as a Christian movie makes for an interesting topic of debate, given that its author, Robert Bolt, was atheist/agnostic. He saw the case of Thomas More as an example of personal integrity in extreme stress, rather than Christian martyrdom. But here are Bolt's words: "Thomas More, as I wrote about him, became for me a man with an adamantine sense of his own self. He knew where he began and left off...But I am not a Catholic nor even in the meaningful sense of the word a Christian. So by what right do I appropriate a Christian Saint to my purposes? Or to put it the other way, why do I take as my hero a man who brings about his own death because he can’t put his hand on an old black book and tell an ordinary lie? For this reason: A man takes an oath only when he wants to commit himself quite exceptionally to the statement, when he wants to make an identity between the truth of it and his own virtue; he offers himself as a guarantee."www.catholic365.com/article/4620/the-atheist-and-the-martyr.html Just because the author himself was not Christian does not negate that A Man For All Seasons is a Christian movie, because it was all about Christianity: Catholicism vs Protestantism, or more specifically: Anglicanism. Thomas More is venerated as a Saint, because he died as a Martyr for his Christian convictions.
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Post by Isapop on Aug 2, 2022 16:51:29 GMT
Categorizing "A Man For All Seasons" as a Christian movie makes for an interesting topic of debate, given that its author, Robert Bolt, was atheist/agnostic. He saw the case of Thomas More as an example of personal integrity in extreme stress, rather than Christian martyrdom. But here are Bolt's words: "Thomas More, as I wrote about him, became for me a man with an adamantine sense of his own self. He knew where he began and left off...But I am not a Catholic nor even in the meaningful sense of the word a Christian. So by what right do I appropriate a Christian Saint to my purposes? Or to put it the other way, why do I take as my hero a man who brings about his own death because he can’t put his hand on an old black book and tell an ordinary lie? For this reason: A man takes an oath only when he wants to commit himself quite exceptionally to the statement, when he wants to make an identity between the truth of it and his own virtue; he offers himself as a guarantee."www.catholic365.com/article/4620/the-atheist-and-the-martyr.html Just because the author himself was not Christian does not negate that A Man For All Seasons is a Christian movie Yes, that itself does not negate it as a Christian movie. An author can certainly write from a point of view not his own.Was it all about Christianity? Or was the Catholicism vs Protestantism aspect (as I would argue) just the factual historical setting for a story all about the clash of powerful forces against an unbreakable individual?No question about how the Church sees More. But the question of whether "A Man For All Seasons" is a Christian movie (and play) hangs on how Bolt, its author, sees More, not on how the Church sees him.
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Post by clusium on Aug 2, 2022 18:34:07 GMT
Just because the author himself was not Christian does not negate that A Man For All Seasons is a Christian movie Yes, that itself does not negate it as a Christian movie. An author can certainly write from a point of view not his own.Was it all about Christianity? Or was the Catholicism vs Protestantism aspect (as I would argue) just the factual historical setting for a story all about the clash of powerful forces against an unbreakable individual?No question about how the Church sees More. But the question of whether "A Man For All Seasons" is a Christian movie (and play) hangs on how Bolt, its author, sees More, not on how the Church sees him. The fact that More died a martyr for his staunch beliefs makes the story entirely inseparable from Christianity. Just because the villains in this movie were the Protestants does not negate upon this. Indeed, it can be even be argued that too, makes Christianity entirely intrinsic to the story. One of the most venerated figures in Shia Islam, after Muhammad & his daughter Fatimah (who receives the exact same type of devotion from Shias as The Blessed Virgin Mary does by Catholics & Orthodox) is a man who died a martyr for their faith by the name of Hussain. Actually, he IS Fatimah's son & thereby, Muhammad's grandson. He was killed by Sunnis. There have even been movies made about him in the Muslim world. Therefore, this is a Muslim movie (or story), despite the fact that the villains in his story were Sunnis (which make up the majority of Muslims, BTW).
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Post by Isapop on Aug 2, 2022 18:47:11 GMT
Yes, that itself does not negate it as a Christian movie. An author can certainly write from a point of view not his own.Was it all about Christianity? Or was the Catholicism vs Protestantism aspect (as I would argue) just the factual historical setting for a story all about the clash of powerful forces against an unbreakable individual?No question about how the Church sees More. But the question of whether "A Man For All Seasons" is a Christian movie (and play) hangs on how Bolt, its author, sees More, not on how the Church sees him. The fact that More died a martyr for his staunch beliefs makes the story entirely inseparable from Christianity. Just because the villains in this movie were the Protestants does not negate upon this. Indeed, it can be even be argued that too, makes Christianity entirely intrinsic to the story. One of the most venerated figures in Shia Islam, after Muhammad & his daughter Fatimah (who receives the exact same type of devotion from Shias as The Blessed Virgin Mary does by Catholics & Orthodox) is a man who died a martyr for their faith by the name of Hussain. Actually, he IS Fatimah's son & thereby, Muhammad's grandson. He was killed by Sunnis. There have even been movies made about him in the Muslim world. Therefore, this is a Muslim movie (or story), despite the fact that the villains in his story were Sunnis (which make up the majority of Muslims, BTW). I think the example you give of Hussain helps demonstrate that a story about dying for your beliefs is not an intrinsically Christian story and is indeed separable from it. Particular people will die for their beliefs in many different contexts, Christianity being only one of them.
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Post by clusium on Aug 2, 2022 19:05:10 GMT
The fact that More died a martyr for his staunch beliefs makes the story entirely inseparable from Christianity. Just because the villains in this movie were the Protestants does not negate upon this. Indeed, it can be even be argued that too, makes Christianity entirely intrinsic to the story. One of the most venerated figures in Shia Islam, after Muhammad & his daughter Fatimah (who receives the exact same type of devotion from Shias as The Blessed Virgin Mary does by Catholics & Orthodox) is a man who died a martyr for their faith by the name of Hussain. Actually, he IS Fatimah's son & thereby, Muhammad's grandson. He was killed by Sunnis. There have even been movies made about him in the Muslim world. Therefore, this is a Muslim movie (or story), despite the fact that the villains in his story were Sunnis (which make up the majority of Muslims, BTW). I think the example you give of Hussain helps demonstrate that a story about dying for your beliefs is not an intrinsically Christian story and is indeed separable from it. Particular people will die for their beliefs in many different contexts, Christianity being only one of them. I think you miss the point. Hussain was martyred for his Shia Muslim beliefs, hence movies, plays, about him are intrinsically Muslim. Movies, plays, etc., about St. Thomas More or any other martyr for the Christian faith are intrinsically Christian, because it is what they sacrificed their lives for. Yes, particular people will die for their beliefs in many different contexts, whether they are religious, political, & yes, in some cases even TRIVIAL things. Nonetheless, regardless of what it is they die for, you cannot separate their story from their belief, thereby, making the belief intrinsic to the story. Eg: Movies, plays, etc., about the Holocaust, such as The Diary of Anne Frank, etc., are intrinsically Jewish, even if/or when the victims themselves had been atheists, etc.
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Post by Isapop on Aug 2, 2022 19:27:11 GMT
I think the example you give of Hussain helps demonstrate that a story about dying for your beliefs is not an intrinsically Christian story and is indeed separable from it. Particular people will die for their beliefs in many different contexts, Christianity being only one of them. I think you miss the point. Hussain was martyred for his Shia Muslim beliefs, hence movies, plays, about him are intrinsically Muslim. Movies, plays, etc., about St. Thomas More or any other martyr for the Christian faith are intrinsically Christian, because it is what they sacrificed their lives for. Yes, particular people will die for their beliefs in many different contexts, whether they are religious, political, & yes, in some cases even TRIVIAL things. Nonetheless, regardless of what it is they die for, you cannot separate their story from their belief, thereby, making the belief intrinsic to the story. Eg: Movies, plays, etc., about the Holocaust, such as The Diary of Anne Frank, etc., are intrinsically Jewish, even if/or when the victims themselves had been atheists, etc. If I say to you, "I've just written a story about someone who dies for their beliefs", you wouldn't respond with "Ah, so it's a Christian story!" That's because there's nothing intrinsically Christian about dying for your beliefs. The person could hold any kinds of beliefs. That's why I'd say that, while More's beliefs were Christian, his willingness to die for them doesn't make his story a Christian story. But, as I said at the outset, it is a debatable topic. (A Holocaust story is, I agree, intrinsically Jewish. The victims were not hunted and exterminated because of anything they believed. It was purely because they were born as Jews.)
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Post by clusium on Aug 2, 2022 22:07:42 GMT
I think you miss the point. Hussain was martyred for his Shia Muslim beliefs, hence movies, plays, about him are intrinsically Muslim. Movies, plays, etc., about St. Thomas More or any other martyr for the Christian faith are intrinsically Christian, because it is what they sacrificed their lives for. Yes, particular people will die for their beliefs in many different contexts, whether they are religious, political, & yes, in some cases even TRIVIAL things. Nonetheless, regardless of what it is they die for, you cannot separate their story from their belief, thereby, making the belief intrinsic to the story. Eg: Movies, plays, etc., about the Holocaust, such as The Diary of Anne Frank, etc., are intrinsically Jewish, even if/or when the victims themselves had been atheists, etc. If I say to you, "I've just written a story about someone who dies for their beliefs", you wouldn't respond with "Ah, so it's a Christian story!" That's because there's nothing intrinsically Christian about dying for your beliefs. The person could hold any kinds of beliefs. That's why I'd say that, while More's beliefs were Christian, his willingness to die for them doesn't make his story a Christian story. But, as I said at the outset, it is a debatable topic. (A Holocaust story is, I agree, intrinsically Jewish. The victims were not hunted and exterminated because of anything they believed. It was purely because they were born as Jews.) Correct. I wouldn't respond that way. I know that other religions have had people who died as martyrs too. Eg: The Baha'i faith is a persecuted religion in Iran right down to this very day. Just yesterday, I saw on the news that 9 Baha'is had been executed by the Iranian Government, because they were accused of spying. Back in the mid-80s, there was a song (& music video) about a girl who was martyred for her Baha'i faith.
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Post by clusium on Aug 2, 2022 22:42:04 GMT
I think you miss the point. Hussain was martyred for his Shia Muslim beliefs, hence movies, plays, about him are intrinsically Muslim. Movies, plays, etc., about St. Thomas More or any other martyr for the Christian faith are intrinsically Christian, because it is what they sacrificed their lives for. Yes, particular people will die for their beliefs in many different contexts, whether they are religious, political, & yes, in some cases even TRIVIAL things. Nonetheless, regardless of what it is they die for, you cannot separate their story from their belief, thereby, making the belief intrinsic to the story. Eg: Movies, plays, etc., about the Holocaust, such as The Diary of Anne Frank, etc., are intrinsically Jewish, even if/or when the victims themselves had been atheists, etc. If I say to you, "I've just written a story about someone who dies for their beliefs", you wouldn't respond with "Ah, so it's a Christian story!" That's because there's nothing intrinsically Christian about dying for your beliefs. The person could hold any kinds of beliefs. That's why I'd say that, while More's beliefs were Christian, his willingness to die for them doesn't make his story a Christian story. But, as I said at the outset, it is a debatable topic. (A Holocaust story is, I agree, intrinsically Jewish. The victims were not hunted and exterminated because of anything they believed. It was purely because they were born as Jews.) Wikipedia has placed A Man For All Seasons in almost a hundred categories, including "Films about Christianity." Wikipedia: Films About Christianity
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 2, 2022 23:21:59 GMT
This “Christian” movie opens in one theater in Phoenix four days from now. Hurry and get your tickets. This movie has got EVERYTHING. There is Satan with wings and wearing sneakers, there’s Hitler, there’s a white guy playing Judas, there’s eyerolling acting. Like I said EVERYTHING. Seriously, Hell would be having to sit through this movie. Anybody remember this movie right here? Drag Me To Hell I remember Drag Me To Hell, I was quite excited as it was Sam Raimi's return to horror (by then he was pretty much done with Spider-man), rather disapointed overall. Kinda wish he did an Evil Dead sequel/remake instead.
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Post by Isapop on Aug 2, 2022 23:36:40 GMT
If I say to you, "I've just written a story about someone who dies for their beliefs", you wouldn't respond with "Ah, so it's a Christian story!" That's because there's nothing intrinsically Christian about dying for your beliefs. The person could hold any kinds of beliefs. That's why I'd say that, while More's beliefs were Christian, his willingness to die for them doesn't make his story a Christian story. But, as I said at the outset, it is a debatable topic. (A Holocaust story is, I agree, intrinsically Jewish. The victims were not hunted and exterminated because of anything they believed. It was purely because they were born as Jews.) Wikipedia has placed A Man For All Seasons in almost a hundred categories, including "Films about Christianity." Wikipedia: Films About Christianity To this I would just say that a generalist reference like Wiki is no place for settling more finely shaded debates. Added to that, I would say that a "Film about Christianity" is not the same as "A Christian Film".
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Post by clusium on Aug 2, 2022 23:56:11 GMT
To this I would just say that a generalist reference like Wiki is no place for settling more finely shaded debates. Added to that, I would say that a "Film about Christianity" is not the same as "A Christian Film". What would you define as a Christian film?
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Post by Isapop on Aug 3, 2022 0:15:05 GMT
To this I would just say that a generalist reference like Wiki is no place for settling more finely shaded debates. Added to that, I would say that a "Film about Christianity" is not the same as "A Christian Film". What would you define as a Christian film? I'd say it's a film that promotes or encourages a view that is readily identified as distinct or particular to Christianity. For instance, "The Chronicles of Narnia" is a fantasy story that expresses a Christian world view.
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Post by clusium on Aug 3, 2022 0:30:41 GMT
What would you define as a Christian film? I'd say it's a film that promotes or encourages a view that is readily identified as distinct or particular to Christianity. For instance, "The Chronicles of Narnia" is a fantasy story that expresses a Christian world view. True. You will get no argument from me there. Ditto for the Harry Potter series, in spite of the fact that a lot of Christians panned that series (POF: Some really extreme Christian groups panned Chronicles of Narnia too). Lord of the Rings is another one.
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Post by Isapop on Aug 3, 2022 0:42:24 GMT
I'd say it's a film that promotes or encourages a view that is readily identified as distinct or particular to Christianity. For instance, "The Chronicles of Narnia" is a fantasy story that expresses a Christian world view. True. You will get no argument from me there. Ditto for the Harry Potter series, in spite of the fact that a lot of Christians panned that series (POF: Some really extreme Christian groups panned Chronicles of Narnia too). Lord of the Rings is another one. And for what you can definitely call "A Film about Christianity", but is definitely not "A Christian Film." www.imdb.com/title/tt0065969/?ref_=ttpl_pl_tt
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Post by clusium on Aug 3, 2022 2:41:47 GMT
True. You will get no argument from me there. Ditto for the Harry Potter series, in spite of the fact that a lot of Christians panned that series (POF: Some really extreme Christian groups panned Chronicles of Narnia too). Lord of the Rings is another one. And for what you can definitely call "A Film about Christianity", but is definitely not "A Christian Film." www.imdb.com/title/tt0065969/?ref_=ttpl_pl_tt Never heard of that one. What is it about, that you would say "definitely not "A Christian Film." " BTW, would you describe Fiddler on the Roof as "A Film about Judaism," but not "A Jewish Film?" How about Yentl?What about Beyond Rangoon? would you describe that one as a "A Film about Buddhism," but, not a Buddhist Film?"
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