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Post by Power Ranger on Sept 2, 2022 8:12:25 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 2, 2022 12:45:59 GMT
I don't understand the point of this post. Men also statistically have a shorter lifespan than women, so I guess women have nothing to fear? Murder/rape/sexual assault aren't real? Mark Ruffalo is in more danger at a frat party, in a dark alley or jogging on a deserted road by himself than Tatiana Maslany? Do you believe that?
I'd argue that a better explanation for her managing her anger is that women are traditionally seen as being more in touch with their emotions, whereas men are taught to bottle them up and dissociate from them. But as far as a woman's fears that she could be attacked, overpowered, or simply discriminated against; those seem like legitimate concerns to me.
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Post by Power Ranger on Sept 2, 2022 14:44:22 GMT
I don't understand the point of this post. Men also statistically have a shorter lifespan than women, so I guess women have nothing to fear? Murder/rape/sexual assault aren't real? Mark Ruffalo is in more danger at a frat party, in a dark alley or jogging on a deserted road by himself than Tatiana Maslany? Do you believe that? I'd argue that a better explanation for her managing her anger is that women are traditionally seen as being more in touch with their emotions, whereas men are taught to bottle them up and dissociate from them. But as far as a woman's fears that she could be attacked, overpowered, or simply discriminated against; those seem like legitimate concerns to me. She implied in her little spiel that she was more likely to get murdered due to her gender. That is false. Men are more likely to be murdered than women. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 2, 2022 15:18:23 GMT
I don't understand the point of this post. Men also statistically have a shorter lifespan than women, so I guess women have nothing to fear? Murder/rape/sexual assault aren't real? Mark Ruffalo is in more danger at a frat party, in a dark alley or jogging on a deserted road by himself than Tatiana Maslany? Do you believe that? I'd argue that a better explanation for her managing her anger is that women are traditionally seen as being more in touch with their emotions, whereas men are taught to bottle them up and dissociate from them. But as far as a woman's fears that she could be attacked, overpowered, or simply discriminated against; those seem like legitimate concerns to me. She implied in her little spiel that she was more likely to get murdered due to her gender. That is false. Men are more likely to be murdered than women. I don't have the quote in front of me, but I'm guessing the point is women live in greater fear of being attacked, do they not? If two men get into a violent dispute that leads to death, one of them is going to die; there's your murder rate. If a man and woman get into a violent dispute, who is your money on? We can analyze the circumstances behind murder rates or we can acknowledge that women have more to fear from average everyday scenarios than men do. How many headlines do you read about men kidnapped and killed by rapists compared to women? That's the point she's surely making here.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 2, 2022 16:33:22 GMT
My take on this:
Jen was completely correct in stating that women's tempers are constantly challenged when they get catcalled. I've tried getting catcalled twice before (by other men) and it nearly resulted in fistfights. That women go through this regularly and are able to just brush it off takes huge amounts of control.
I do think she might be wrong about getting mansplained though. Men mansplain to other men too, except in our case we call it one-upmanship or dick-measuring. This is not unique to women alone.
But she's definitely wrong about that comment regarding getting murdered. Yes, women do get murdered but at nowhere close to the rate that men do. Had she said "raped" or "sexually assaulted" or even "domestic violence" then she would have been correct, but because she mentioned getting murdered it made her 100% wrong. Even if we just limit this to physical assault, men are still far more likely to get into a physical altercation because tempers boil compared to women.
I mean, think about it: How often do you see a fight erupt between a man and a woman, complete strangers out in public, because they get pissed off at each other? Then compare that to how often you see two men, complete strangers, get into a fight because they lose their cool. In the same vein, murder rates are so heavily lopsided towards men that there really shouldn't be any question about this part.
I get what the writers were trying to say, but they just really suck at writing it. What they probably meant to say was that, because women are not as capable of defending themselves as men can, that they need to be far more careful about getting into a physical altercation with a man. It means they need to have a lot more control over coming off as aggressive or pissed off or whatever.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 2, 2022 19:18:07 GMT
My take on this: Jen was completely correct in stating that women's tempers are constantly challenged when they get catcalled. I've tried getting catcalled twice before (by other men) and it nearly resulted in fistfights. That women go through this regularly and are able to just brush it off takes huge amounts of control. I do think she might be wrong about getting mansplained though. Men mansplain to other men too, except in our case we call it one-upmanship or dick-measuring. This is not unique to women alone. But she's definitely wrong about that comment regarding getting murdered. Yes, women do get murdered but at nowhere close to the rate that men do. Had she said "raped" or "sexually assaulted" or even "domestic violence" then she would have been correct, but because she mentioned getting murdered it made her 100% wrong. Even if we just limit this to physical assault, men are still far more likely to get into a physical altercation because tempers boil compared to women.
I mean, think about it: How often do you see a fight erupt between a man and a woman, complete strangers out in public, because they get pissed off at each other? Then compare that to how often you see two men, complete strangers, get into a fight because they lose their cool. In the same vein, murder rates are so heavily lopsided towards men that there really shouldn't be any question about this part. I get what the writers were trying to say, but they just really suck at writing it. What they probably meant to say was that, because women are not as capable of defending themselves as men can, that they need to be far more careful about getting into a physical altercation with a man. It means they need to have a lot more control over coming off as aggressive or pissed off or whatever. Completely agree, and this is why the murder numbers are skewed. Men do stupid shit like this all the time, and it's usually a 50/50 proposition on who's going to win. And even then, both men usually entered the melee willingly. They don't 'fear' a physical confrontation the same way women do. If a man for whatever reason decides to attack a woman, whether it be domestic violence or a teenage girl being pulled into the back of a van, what are the average woman's chances in that fight? The frequency of the deadly violence isn't the point of the comment, she's commenting on the likelihood of a woman's survival in any given showdown with a man. A deadly confrontation which often arises for no other reason than the man found her desirable and wasn't going to bother asking for what he wanted.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 2, 2022 19:29:18 GMT
My take on this: Jen was completely correct in stating that women's tempers are constantly challenged when they get catcalled. I've tried getting catcalled twice before (by other men) and it nearly resulted in fistfights. That women go through this regularly and are able to just brush it off takes huge amounts of control. I do think she might be wrong about getting mansplained though. Men mansplain to other men too, except in our case we call it one-upmanship or dick-measuring. This is not unique to women alone. But she's definitely wrong about that comment regarding getting murdered. Yes, women do get murdered but at nowhere close to the rate that men do. Had she said "raped" or "sexually assaulted" or even "domestic violence" then she would have been correct, but because she mentioned getting murdered it made her 100% wrong. Even if we just limit this to physical assault, men are still far more likely to get into a physical altercation because tempers boil compared to women.
I mean, think about it: How often do you see a fight erupt between a man and a woman, complete strangers out in public, because they get pissed off at each other? Then compare that to how often you see two men, complete strangers, get into a fight because they lose their cool. In the same vein, murder rates are so heavily lopsided towards men that there really shouldn't be any question about this part. I get what the writers were trying to say, but they just really suck at writing it. What they probably meant to say was that, because women are not as capable of defending themselves as men can, that they need to be far more careful about getting into a physical altercation with a man. It means they need to have a lot more control over coming off as aggressive or pissed off or whatever. Completely agree, and this is why the murder numbers are skewed. Men do stupid shit like this all the time, and it's usually a 50/50 proposition on who's going to win. And even then, both men usually entered the melee willingly. They don't 'fear' a physical confrontation the same way women do. If a man for whatever reason decides to attack a woman, whether it be domestic violence or a teenage girl being pulled into the back of a van, what are the average woman's chances in that fight? The frequency of the deadly violence isn't the point of the comment, she's commenting on the likelihood of a woman's survival in any given showdown with a man. A deadly confrontation which often arises for no other reason than the man found her desirable and wasn't going to bother asking for what he wanted. Sure, but what has that got to do with controlling her temper? If a man has decided that he wants to assault a woman, whether or not she controls her temper will have minimal impact on whether she gets out of that situation. Where her temper does matter is usually in domestic violence but not when it comes to murder in general. So her saying this is part of what helps her be "infinitely better than Hulk in controlling her anger" makes no sense. In comparison, physical altercations among men is caused by poor anger management a good deal of the time, so there's a better case to be made for men controlling their anger when it comes to fear of getting murdered. But like I said, I understood what the writers were probably trying to say here but that doesn't stop me from criticizing what was a very poorly written and factually incorrect dialogue. The writers should have been better than this. Their point would have gone over way better (and much drama avoided) had they just spent a little more time rewording this dialogue.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 2, 2022 19:58:06 GMT
Completely agree, and this is why the murder numbers are skewed. Men do stupid shit like this all the time, and it's usually a 50/50 proposition on who's going to win. And even then, both men usually entered the melee willingly. They don't 'fear' a physical confrontation the same way women do. If a man for whatever reason decides to attack a woman, whether it be domestic violence or a teenage girl being pulled into the back of a van, what are the average woman's chances in that fight? The frequency of the deadly violence isn't the point of the comment, she's commenting on the likelihood of a woman's survival in any given showdown with a man. A deadly confrontation which often arises for no other reason than the man found her desirable and wasn't going to bother asking for what he wanted. Sure, but what has that got to do with controlling her temper? If a man has decided that he wants to assault a woman, whether or not she controls her temper will have minimal impact on whether she gets out of that situation. Where her temper does matter is usually in domestic violence but not when it comes to murder in general. So her saying this is part of what helps her be "infinitely better than Hulk in controlling her anger" makes no sense. In comparison, physical altercations among men is caused by poor anger management a good deal of the time, so there's a better case to be made for men controlling their anger when it comes to fear of getting murdered. But like I said, I understood what the writers were probably trying to say here but that doesn't stop me from criticizing what was a very poorly written and factually incorrect dialogue. The writers should have been better than this. Their point would have gone over way better (and much drama avoided) had they just spent a little more time rewording this dialogue. Not so much her temper, just emotions in general. But I see where you're coming from.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 2, 2022 21:31:14 GMT
Man, you mf'ers are sensitive.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 2, 2022 21:43:25 GMT
Man, you mf'ers are sensitive. Being able to have civilized discussions regarding differing opinions... that's not being sensitive. On the other hand, throwing around insults because you disagree with someone else's opinions, now that's being sensitive. EDIT: I will admit though that Power Ranger might be pushing a bit too hard on this topic.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 2, 2022 23:51:08 GMT
Man, you mf'ers are sensitive. Being able to have civilized discussions regarding differing opinions... that's not being sensitive. On the other hand, throwing around insults because you disagree with someone else's opinions, now that's being sensitive. EDIT: I will admit though that Power Ranger might be pushing a bit too hard on this topic. I don’t think Power Ranger made this thread for the sake of having a civilized discussion.
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Post by Power Ranger on Sept 3, 2022 2:03:04 GMT
What she said was that she has to contain her anger when being corrected by incompetent men or else she could be murdered. Because that is a real problem in the workforce. I’d like to see the stats on when correcting mansplaining has lethal consequences.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 9, 2022 20:46:10 GMT
What she said was that she has to contain her anger when being corrected by incompetent men or else she could be murdered. Because that is a real problem in the workforce. I’d like to see the stats on when correcting mansplaining has lethal consequences. Los Angeles District Attorneys are often killed by their co-workers. Don't you read the news?
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Post by merh on Sept 10, 2022 0:17:17 GMT
My take on this: Jen was completely correct in stating that women's tempers are constantly challenged when they get catcalled. I've tried getting catcalled twice before (by other men) and it nearly resulted in fistfights. That women go through this regularly and are able to just brush it off takes huge amounts of control. I do think she might be wrong about getting mansplained though. Men mansplain to other men too, except in our case we call it one-upmanship or dick-measuring. This is not unique to women alone. But she's definitely wrong about that comment regarding getting murdered. Yes, women do get murdered but at nowhere close to the rate that men do. Had she said "raped" or "sexually assaulted" or even "domestic violence" then she would have been correct, but because she mentioned getting murdered it made her 100% wrong. Even if we just limit this to physical assault, men are still far more likely to get into a physical altercation because tempers boil compared to women. I mean, think about it: How often do you see a fight erupt between a man and a woman, complete strangers out in public, because they get pissed off at each other? Then compare that to how often you see two men, complete strangers, get into a fight because they lose their cool. In the same vein, murder rates are so heavily lopsided towards men that there really shouldn't be any question about this part. I get what the writers were trying to say, but they just really suck at writing it. What they probably meant to say was that, because women are not as capable of defending themselves as men can, that they need to be far more careful about getting into a physical altercation with a man. It means they need to have a lot more control over coming off as aggressive or pissed off or whatever. Nooooo. Women don't get disrespected in business...
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 10, 2022 3:04:00 GMT
My take on this: Jen was completely correct in stating that women's tempers are constantly challenged when they get catcalled. I've tried getting catcalled twice before (by other men) and it nearly resulted in fistfights. That women go through this regularly and are able to just brush it off takes huge amounts of control. I do think she might be wrong about getting mansplained though. Men mansplain to other men too, except in our case we call it one-upmanship or dick-measuring. This is not unique to women alone. But she's definitely wrong about that comment regarding getting murdered. Yes, women do get murdered but at nowhere close to the rate that men do. Had she said "raped" or "sexually assaulted" or even "domestic violence" then she would have been correct, but because she mentioned getting murdered it made her 100% wrong. Even if we just limit this to physical assault, men are still far more likely to get into a physical altercation because tempers boil compared to women. I mean, think about it: How often do you see a fight erupt between a man and a woman, complete strangers out in public, because they get pissed off at each other? Then compare that to how often you see two men, complete strangers, get into a fight because they lose their cool. In the same vein, murder rates are so heavily lopsided towards men that there really shouldn't be any question about this part. I get what the writers were trying to say, but they just really suck at writing it. What they probably meant to say was that, because women are not as capable of defending themselves as men can, that they need to be far more careful about getting into a physical altercation with a man. It means they need to have a lot more control over coming off as aggressive or pissed off or whatever. Nooooo. Women don't get disrespected in business... I'm not sure what exactly your post has got to do with what I wrote. |
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