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Post by novastar6 on Sept 12, 2022 4:03:19 GMT
Obviously not any women in movies today, especially super hero movies but also pretty much any action/fantasy/whatever franchise, the only way they can make themselves strong is to belittle men and be completely flawless, they don't have to start from step one to get where they are, they're all like second generation Super Saiyans that can turn it on/off like a light switch when their parents had to be pushed to near death in battle to achieve the same status. And they can't just SHOW us they're good at whatever they do, everyone around them has to sing their praises that they're wonderful, strong, amazing, funny, etc. Sorry, people who deal in hypocrites know how this works, like if somebody beats their breast telling everyone they're a good Christian, no, if you are, your ACTIONS show it, you don't beat people over the head that you are.
So what are some ACTUAL strong women characters in movies that actually define that character genre?
Ripley obviously takes the crown, we could talk about her all day in itself. What are others?
For my list, Coffy and Foxy Brown take the top. Jack Hill said it best himself, Coffy is not a female James Bond or Supergirl, she's a normal woman who uses her brains and her street smarts. Add to the fact Pam Grier herself came up with Coffy hiding razor blades in her Afro and sharpening a bobby pin into a murder weapon, etc., that was her own contribution to her character. They're amazing, kickass characters, but definitely not infallible, they get caught, they get tortured, raped, and have to use their wits to escape with their lives intact. What happens to them would never happen to any leading lady we have to be told 100x how amazing and strong and powerful she is.
Susy Hendrix in Wait Until Dark. She is the anti-perfect woman, she's adjusting to life as a blind woman, and being forced by her husband to learn total self-sufficiency, which makes him out to be a heartless prick especially at the end, but regardless, she goes from flying into a panic and calling the police/fire department every time she smells something burning, to realizing she's in a cat and mouse game with 3 criminals who will kill her to get the doll full of heroin, she's alone in an empty apartment building, she can't call for help, she can't even SEE the men who are trying to kill her, she has to rely on her own instincts, her heightened senses, and even though she has a brilliant plan to level the playing field, it's not a perfect plan, she didn't think of everything, and she's fighting for her life against a man who has killed people who could actually see him coming, she should be a perfect victim, but she's a braver, stronger character than all the female super heroes put together, and one look at Audrey Hepburn, you can forget ANY woke notions about she can beat up a man 3 times her size.
Nancy in Nightmare on Elm Street. Figuring out she can pull this killer out of a dream, figuring out how to do it, risking her life every time she closes her eyes, the booby traps she sets up, etc., not bad for a 15 year old high school girl. Especially given by her parents hiding the facts of Fred Krueger from her, she is essentially dropped into the middle of a jigsaw puzzle where half of the pieces aren't even there and she has to try and figure out the picture for herself from scratch.
Laurie Strode in Halloween, even if we only stay in the first movie, just a regular, brainy, wall flower teenage girl, who is terrified out of her mind by finding her friends dead and being attacked herself, but her first instinct is to protect the kids she's watching, only using whatever's at her disposal, knitting needles, a coat hanger, etc. she was 100x smarter than all teen girls today.
Billy's mom in Gremlins. We don't know her background but we know she's not an expert in self defense, she's just a regular mom and housewife. She has absolutely ZERO idea what she's dealing with but she knows how to fight back against these murderous little creatures. When my brother and I first saw the movie my brother said to my mom 'a mom wouldn't really know how to do all that, would she?' My mom replied, 'Oh yeah, she would'. LOL.
See for years my thing has been the people complaining about men want to keep women in the kitchen have it backwards...anybody who spends a good deal of time in the kitchen knows EVERYTHING in there that can be used as a murder weapon, and a kitchen has plenty of them. Even more if you're dealing in little green monsters that fit in a microwave or a Cuisinart.
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Post by ck100 on Sept 12, 2022 4:05:37 GMT
Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor.
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Post by Marv on Sept 12, 2022 4:13:45 GMT
Erin in Youβre Nextβ¦one of the most capable final girls in recent horror flicks.
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Post by James on Sept 12, 2022 4:15:18 GMT
The Bride (Beatrix Kiddo) in Kill Bill
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Sept 12, 2022 5:13:34 GMT
Lisbeth Salander as played by Noomi Rapace in 2009's The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, The Girl Who Played with Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest.
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Post by theravenking on Sept 12, 2022 10:15:15 GMT
Queen Elizabeth II. (Helen Mirren) in The Queen (2006)
Mace (Angela Bassett) in Strange Days (1995)
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Post by Jason143 on Sept 12, 2022 12:00:11 GMT
Any women lead actress is ''strong'' in films that came out pre-2016/2017 because writers were not conscious of forcing any agenda as they are today. The waters have become too muddied and Hollywood has forgotten how to write organic strong women characters because of the whole #MeToo campaign and the ultra-feminism movement that was born out of that. A strong women now is one that has to be on equal footing to men, physically and emotionally.
Apart from the obvious ones, I'll go with these:
Jessica Chastain in Interstellar (2014)
Amy Adams in Arrival (2016)
Jodie Foster in Contact (1997)
All 3 are good examples of female scientists that save the day. None of them are written to be obnoxious or feeling like they should be superior to men. They work alongside male characters to get the job done. All 3 embrace their femininity in fact, as their character motivations are driven by highly emotional attachments to father figures or in the case of Amy Adams, her future daughter that she knows will die. And they are not afraid to express this femininity without being accused of being sexist.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 12, 2022 12:28:31 GMT
Queen Elizabeth II. (Helen Mirren) in The Queen (2006)Mace (Angela Bassett) in Strange Days (1995)Excellent pick, one of the best female characters of all time. Total badass without being cartoonish, and with a vulnerability to her character that comes across as genuine. Very few examples of this type beyond the headliners like Ripley or Sarah Connor.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Sept 12, 2022 12:54:50 GMT
At some point the definition of "strong female character" seemed to have changed from "well-written, complex female character" to "female character who is able to beat up men twice her size in a fight".
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Post by jjamp48 on Sept 12, 2022 12:57:12 GMT
Good choices all around.
I'd throw in Clarice Starling from The Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal. One could argue she does not start off strong in Silence, she is particularly vulnerable in several scenes, but she is almost always stalwart, resolute and resourceful. Certainty by the end she has proven herself to be strong. At the beginning of Hannibal, Julianne Moore is already portraying her as a tough, take no bullshit veteran who has seen it all. Even with the weight and fallout of the opening sequence she rarely falters.
I realize you noted you didn't want any fantasy/action/franchise types, but I would put in a good word for Furiosa from Fury Road. You could certainly point out the lack of realism in the film, but she always comes across as a very real person. She is vulnerable and has her faults. She's no superhero. Yet her character literally steals the movie out from under Max!!
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 12, 2022 13:09:47 GMT
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 12, 2022 14:45:38 GMT
At some point the definition of "strong female character" seemed to have changed from "well-written, complex female character" to "female character who is able to beat up men twice her size in a fight". It does seem like people who write stories, think that to be a strong female character you have to give her typical masculine characteristic, which when male characters have them, they call it toxic masculinity.
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Post by barfholomew on Sept 12, 2022 15:03:38 GMT
Rita (Emily Blunt) in the Edge of Tomorrow (2014) Come to think of it between the Edge of Tomorrow, Interstellar and Ex Machina 2014 was a great year for Sci-Fi
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Post by Catman on Sept 12, 2022 15:50:07 GMT
Every character played by Barbara Stanwyck.
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Post by Captain Spencer on Sept 12, 2022 16:43:47 GMT
Kathryn Murphy (played by Kelly McGillis) in The Accused. Norma Rae (Sally Field)
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Post by novastar6 on Sept 12, 2022 17:48:07 GMT
At some point the definition of "strong female character" seemed to have changed from "well-written, complex female character" to "female character who is able to beat up men twice her size in a fight".
And in real life, there are a lot of women who actually could, the thing of it is they're actually going to get the crap kicked out of them in the process, that's the part they won't ever show nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 18:44:41 GMT
A strong women now is one that has to be on equal footing to men, physically and emotionally. Lol. What does that mean?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 18:48:38 GMT
Marge Gunderson - Fargo Ginny - Friday the 13th Part 2 Belle - Beauty and the Beast
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Post by Catman on Sept 12, 2022 18:56:50 GMT
Diet Committee Member Ozawa in γ΄γΈγ©.
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Post by barfholomew on Sept 12, 2022 19:34:49 GMT
I forgot the most obvious one: Princess Leia Organa
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