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Post by drystyx on Oct 5, 2022 0:28:22 GMT
Nothing is motivated about her character. She hates Halbrand for being a diplomat, but the moment he breaks a man's arm, she calls him a king.
She has nothing but contempt for the people who save her.
She's a monster. A total evil hole (or is it "hoe"?)
She kills dumb orcs who freely give information in boasts, but won't kill the dangerous Adar, who as captive would only be a threat to escape, sabotage, lie, misinform, and turn good people against each other. Straight from Dr. Evil not killing Austin Powers, or a Bond villain devising some silly mouse trap death for Bond to escape from.
Everything about her screams that she isn't Galadriel. No one changes that much in reality. The only thing that makes sense is that she's Sauron, but I don't know if the writers are smart enough to realize that. They may be writing this for Beavis and Butthead audiences.
Meanwhile, who will be the dead king under the mountain who winds up regaining his honor by helping Aragorn? Well, Isildur cursed this guy for not helping in war. I'd say that a lot of people didn't help in war, so this guy really betrayed Isildur.
Isildur has two main friends, and of course the guy who is chasing his beautiful sister. Of his two friends, one is super brave and made a leader, and the other one has been less of a warrior and shown fear.
So, when crunch time comes, Isildur only expects one of them to actually fight with him. Unless his sister's suitor proves to be brave, Isildur won't expect much of him. The friend who wasn't a great warrior is going to be the subject of Isildur's "Duke of Plaza Toro" songs and jokes, and the brave friend will be the subject of epic poems even before the great battle.
So, it looks like the tall brave friend of Isildur will be the one who is cursed, simply because he will be the only one that Isildur will feel let him down if he doesn't fight Sauron.
Now, Halbrand, who always looked to be a king who gets a Nazgul ring, still looks that way. The only question is if he's already been in contact with Sauron. Maybe that's why he saved Galadriel. Because he saw that she was not the real -Galadriel, but instead was Sauron.
Any way, you heard it here first. Galadriel (the one we're seeing in episodes 2-6)=Sauron and is just pretending to be Galadriel Galadriel (the real one)=not seen now, and will be sent back to reveal the imposter Halbrand=Nazgul, but not sure if he's the big one or not, the witch king. So far, more will have to happen for him to be the leader of the Nazgul Valandil=dead king under the mountain who hugely disappoints Isildur into cursing him for not helping against Sauron Ontamo=probably dies in war against Sauron, trying to take place of Valandil, which really fumes Isildur into pronouncing curse on Valandil Dying king of Numenor=maybe a future Nazgul.
Anyone disagree? Say that to my face.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 6, 2022 4:51:47 GMT
The silence here means that everyone nods in agreement and it's unanimous that since it's obvious this hasn't been the real Galadriel since early in episode 1, that Galadriel is a prisoner and Sauron is the one pretending to be Galadriel.
Why doesn't Sauron kill Galadriel? He's a sicko. He's Dr. Evil and every Bond villain, making that mousetrap death for Austin Powers, I mean 007, I mean Galadriel.
And we see a big hint there when the one posing as Galadriel does the exact same thing with Adar. What's this wild insane rant about making him watch her kill all the little orcs, as if we are stupid enough to actually believe she will eventually kill Adar. She (well, he, Sauron) even has Halbrand sufficently trained to stop her (him) from killing Adar. Sauron is already training his witch king, who is likely a sorcerer already, since Adar didn't recognize him.
If this fake Galadriel isn't Sauron, then I won't apologize, because then it's just kindergarten writing.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 6, 2022 11:12:35 GMT
Makes sense.
She is vastly different from the character in Lord of the Rings.
She apparently died in the last episode after being engulfed by pyroclastic flow. The only way she could've survived is she is indeed Sauron in disguise because otherwise it doesn't make sense for an elf to survive temperatures of hundreds of degrees.
Oh man what a twist.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 8, 2022 15:09:47 GMT
I went back to watch episode 1.
Clues against Galadriel being Sauron in disguise:
A theme here is "evil never sleeps", but Galadriel is seen sleeping (but could be pretending)
That's about it.
Clues for Galadriel being Sauron in disguise: 1. We don't know when she comes back from that mountain where she found Sauron's HQ. The other elves said they were going to leave her to do the work herself, Did she come back with them or after them? If she came back alone after they left, she would surely have been caught and Sauron would have taken her place if he is a "shape shifter". Well, Elrond is told that his friend has returned, and there is no mention of the others, and he does say that the rest of the elves with her have already been in contact with the king, and he knows about the conflict between her and the elves who said they were finished looking for Sauron, so they already returned before she did, according to the dialog. 2. She makes demands from the king instead of requests. 3. She doesn't go into automatic song with the other elves on the boat, a song that looks like it is instinctive for elves, not rehearsed, because they all do it in sync without any precedent. If Galadriel was really Galadriel the elf, she would also go into automatic "trill" by instinct, but she doesn't 4. She continually looks for an excuse to leave the boat and feels a bond with the sword instead of with the elves. If she's an imposter, she'll be revealed as soon as she enters the Paradise of the gods, and thus that explains her motivation for leaving the boat prematurely, in the middle of the sea. 5. How does that raft with Halbrand and others appear in a vast sea? We find from others on the boat that they left another boat, but the boat is still afloat. The "worm" also finds them. The best explanation is that someone conjured the worm, and that would be Sauron most likely, and since she is off the raft, she is the likely one to have done that. It could be Halbrand, but all the evidence points to Galadriel. Halbrand is too mortal minded. If Sauron is one of the two, Sauron would save the one most likely to be used. I sure don't buy that Galadriel, hundreds of years of life experience, would be "used" the way others think. That would be "zero credibility in character motivation". Halbrand, however, is so selfish that he is a perfect tool for Sauron, especially if Sauron thinks he can persuade him to be a king and his right hand. 6. She is ungrateful to the captain who saves her from the sea, instead making demands again. 7. She is ungrateful to the queen who offers her hospitality and treats her as a guest, again making demands. 8. For some reason, the make up crew has "uglied" her. I'm sure the actress isn't this homely. Something is wrong with her. And the idea that after hundreds or thousands of years, she suddenly becomes corrupt, when she's already witnessed plenty of tragedy, is ridiculous. 9. She considers Halbrand unworthy when he tries diplomacy, but when Halbrand breaks a man's arm, she thinks he is a king. 10. On that note, she has to be told to bow to the queen. Galadriel is not a queen. She knows protocol. Sauron, however, wouldn't bow to anyone but Melkor. The distaste that Galadriel has towards those who helped her has no motivation for an elf. 11. We know the real Galadriel appears in LOTR, so if she's caught by Sauron, for some insane reason he doesn't kill her, giving him the personality of Dr. Evil or a Bond villain if that is the case, willing to kill the less dangerous opponents, but fabricating reasons to save the most dangerous opponents, exactly what Galadriel does when she captures Adar. Her insane rant can't be explained by revenge. If revenge was her motivation, she'd lop off the head of Adar with zero hesitation. This is as stupid as Harmonica wanting revenge on Frank, but killing the men who were trying to kill Frank. Just like that stupid movie, we have the same unmotivated situation here that cannot be explained. Still, there are crack heads and meth heads out there who buy into this as motivation. Well, it isn't motivation. 12. She stands upright and lets volcanic ash hit her, a lava flow of fire that kills even people who take cover. 13. She comes up with an abrupt change of character into some philosophical being when everything goes the way of Sauron after the volcano. She's finally satisfied and no longer an insant, hateful, ugly, spiteful, ungrateful monster that she had been up to that point. Anyone who ever knew such people knows that those people do not change. And there surely wasn't any motivation for that change. 14. Orcs and Uruk Hair who are the "smellers" of their group can smell "man flesh" from a distance only elf eyes can see in LOTR, but a professional "smeller" stands over Galadriel and the boy and sniffs in fairly clear air, and claims he only smells smoke. Yeah, right!
The people thinking it's Halbrand bring up no evidence and no clues. They only bring up "symbols". Symbols are not "clues". There is a symbol for anything you want in any scene. It's just a case of people "contriving" whatever they want to suit them. The 14 clues above are not contrived symbols, but solid evidence to an objective mind. I didn't look for these things. They were thrust upon me in a WTF scenario that only makes sense if Galadriel is really somewhere else, and Sauron or someone else is impersonating her.
In fact, clues number 1, 6, 7, 9, and 10 are enough to lock her up. And any single one of clues number 3, 11, 12, and 14 would be enough for an objective juror to convict her of being an imposter and not the real Galadriel. They're banging us over the head with real evidence that can't be explained as red herrings with those four clues (3, 11, 12, and 14). If they aren't doing this because Galadriel is actually Sauron in disguise, they are horrible writers, and that is quite possible. Most writer guild members are not right in the head, and think that symbolism is evidence and that palpable evidence is not evidence.
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Post by papamihel on Oct 9, 2022 4:05:51 GMT
No, she's not. But the only way to salvage her character would be to make her a victim of Sauron's magic. Let's say, after the debacle with Beren and Luthien Sauron wowed to take revenge on everyone who's connected to them, so when Doriath was sacked he managed to capture Galadriel as she was fleeing to the Havens of Sirion. And he put an enchantment on her - not dissimilar to what was done to Hurin. Basically she sees the world through his eyes. This is why she would leave a soldier behind - she doesn't care about anyone as long as she gets what she wants. This why she treats other people only as tools or obstacles. This is why she sees plots against her everywhere. And so on and so forth. That would also explain the Stranger. The Valar were filled with pity and sent Olorin to cure her mind.
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P.S. Because the writers of the show as so bad at writing it's very easy to see where her character is heading. Her traumatic experiences will change her and possibly she'll meet her husband (who's MIA apparently) and will start changing into LOTR Galadriel. Of course, it makes zero sense and they are already failing to make it believable. But that's Bad Reboot for you.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 9, 2022 15:02:32 GMT
Well, if she is Sharon, I want to see one of those goofy face morphing special effects in the season finale.
note: Autocorrect changed Sauron to Sharon. I’m leaving it. Autocorrect is wise.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 9, 2022 17:25:08 GMT
Her traumatic experiences will change her and possibly she'll meet her husband (who's MIA apparently) and will start changing into LOTR Galadriel. Of course, it makes zero sense and they are already failing to make it believable. But that's Bad Reboot for you. Didn’t she say her husband was dead in ep7?
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Post by papamihel on Oct 9, 2022 19:23:42 GMT
Her traumatic experiences will change her and possibly she'll meet her husband (who's MIA apparently) and will start changing into LOTR Galadriel. Of course, it makes zero sense and they are already failing to make it believable. But that's Bad Reboot for you. Didn’t she say her husband was dead in ep7? She thinks he is.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 9, 2022 21:42:23 GMT
Her traumatic experiences will change her and possibly she'll meet her husband (who's MIA apparently) and will start changing into LOTR Galadriel. Of course, it makes zero sense and they are already failing to make it believable. But that's Bad Reboot for you. Didn’t she say her husband was dead in ep7? He needs to be alive. Their daughter ends up marrying Elrond and giving birth to Arwen who marries Aragorn.
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