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Post by dividavi on May 30, 2017 10:31:01 GMT
Anybody have an opinion as to whether this should be described as terrorism or something else? Let’s remember, Islam is a peaceful religion and played no part in this killing. The claim that the killer was yelling “Allahu Akhbar!” and “Shaitan!” is obviously a false-flag deception to smear the Religion of Peace. www.algemeiner.com/2017/05/29/french-jewish-anger-grows-over-savage-antisemitic-murder-of-pensioner-at-hands-of-muslim-in-paris-suburb/MAY 29, 2017 3:34 PM French Jewish Anger Grows Over Savage Antisemitic Murder of Pensioner at Hands of Muslim in Paris Suburb
by Ben Cohen As further details emerge of the brutal murder of an Orthodox Jewish woman in a Paris suburb at the hands of a Muslim assailant last month, French Jews are increasingly worried and angered by what one prominent member of the community called an “organized silence” surrounding the case. Dr. Sarah Halimi — a 66-year-old pensioner living in the Paris suburb of Belleville — was murdered in the early hours of April 4 by Kada Traore, a 27-year-old immigrant from Mali. After breaking into the neighboring apartment of another Malian family at 4:25 a.m. — whose terrified inhabitants locked themselves away as they heard him recite verses from the Quran — Traore jumped over the balcony and forced his way into Halimi’s apartment. As he beat the elderly lady savagely, her screams prompted neighbors to call the police. Three officers arrived at 4:45 a.m. But on hearing Traore yelling “Allahu Akhbar!” and “Shaitan!” (Arabic for ‘Satan’), they feared a terrorist attack was taking place, and called for backup. Anti-terror officers did not arrive until 5:00 a.m., by which time Halimi had been thrown by her attacker from the window of her third-floor apartment to the ground below. Traore, reported to be a drug dealer and addict with a criminal record, then returned to the apartment of the Malian family where he resumed his prayers, and was not taken into police custody until almost 6:00 a.m. Shock over the barbaric nature of the murder has been compounded by the reluctance of both the media and French authorities to recognize it as an antisemitic hate crime — even after a silent march of remembrance on the Sunday after the murder was met by local youths chanting “Death to the Jews” and “We Own Kalashnikovs.” In an open letter to new French Interior Minister Gerard Collomb, Alexandra Laignel-Lavastine — a French journalist and expert on antisemitism — charged that “in the advanced decadence that reigns today in the country of (antisemitic comedian) Dieudonné, for whom ‘the Jews are dogs’ (and people laugh hysterically), it seems that a run-over dog deserves more attention than a murdered Jewish woman.” Laignel-Lavastine also quoted William Attal, Halimi’s brother, who stated, “I have waited seven weeks before I said anything. The absolute silence about my sister’s murder has become intolerable.” Since the murder, official and media accounts of what transpired have played up claims that Traore was suffering from mental illness, while virtually ignoring the antisemitic element of the crime. A common theory is that the recent French election encouraged — in the phrase of Michel Gurfinkiel, a leading French political analyst and president of the Jean-Jacques Rousseau Institute in Paris — an “organized silence” around the Halimi murder. “Such a story would benefit the Right and the National Front,” Gurfinkiel said. “Everyone is convinced this is why there has been such an organized silence around the story.” A few days after the murder, Marine Le Pen — the leader of the far-right, anti-immigrant National Front — tweeted that Halimi’s fate made her want to “speak about Islamist antisemitism.” Le Pen was defeated by centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron in the second round of the presidential election on May 7. “The Jewish community was very careful not to be suspected of siding with Marine Le Pen,” Gurfinkiel said. He also noted that state provision of security to religious buildings and institutions means that Jewish organizations are “reluctant to raise certain questions.” But as more time passes in the wake of Halimi’s murder, the calls to recognize its antisemitic nature are growing. Interviewed by the Le Parisien newspaper last week, the lawyers for the Halimi family, Jean-Alex Buchinger and David Kaminsky, said in no uncertain terms that Sarah Halimi had been “targeted, tortured and killed by her assailant because she was Jewish.” Halimi’s murder robbed the Jewish community in Paris of one of its most loved figures, known for her work as a doctor and as a kindergarten teacher. “She was very well known and respected, a great person,” Gurfinkiel said. “The tragedy is that she was living in that part of Paris where Jews are gradually leaving, since the security doesn’t exist anymore.” It also brought forth reminders of the 2006 kidnapping and murder of a young French Jew, Ilan Halimi — no relation to Ruth Halimi — whose body was left for dead by a mostly-Muslim gang who seized him out of the belief that Jews were wealthy and willing to pay ransom money. “The French police were of no help during the whole (Ilan Halimi) episode, rejecting any idea that antisemitism could have played a role in the affair and preferring to believe the absurd notion that this was the result of some war between rival gangs,” Laignel-Lavastine noted in her letter about Ruth Halimi to French Interior Minister Collomb. “Ten years later, we have reached the same point.” Traore is currently undergoing psychiatric tests and Jewish communal leaders are impatient for more information from authorities. “The more time passes, the more the community feels that there is something you do not want to tell us,” commented Joel Mergui, head of the Consistoire — the governing body of French Jewish communities.
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Post by Aj_June on May 30, 2017 11:04:31 GMT
There seems to be considerable rise in antisemitism in Europe though I don't really have any exact data. It's time that European leaders denounce these acts or implement some major programs to deal with the issue.
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Post by cupcakes on May 30, 2017 11:24:19 GMT
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Post by vernuf on May 30, 2017 15:09:50 GMT
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Post by theoncomingstorm on May 30, 2017 15:48:40 GMT
That's not a terrorist attack because "something, something" and that Muslim was not a "real" Muslim because Muslims are always the perpetrators, never the victims. Also, the two men who died weren't heroes, they were obviously anti-Americans and Muslim sympathizers.
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Post by clusium on May 30, 2017 18:18:30 GMT
Anybody have an opinion as to whether this should be described as terrorism or something else? Let’s remember, Islam is a peaceful religion and played no part in this killing. The claim that the killer was yelling “Allahu Akhbar!” and “Shaitan!” is obviously a false-flag deception to smear the Religion of Peace. www.algemeiner.com/2017/05/29/french-jewish-anger-grows-over-savage-antisemitic-murder-of-pensioner-at-hands-of-muslim-in-paris-suburb/MAY 29, 2017 3:34 PM French Jewish Anger Grows Over Savage Antisemitic Murder of Pensioner at Hands of Muslim in Paris Suburb
by Ben Cohen As further details emerge of the brutal murder of an Orthodox Jewish woman in a Paris suburb at the hands of a Muslim assailant last month, French Jews are increasingly worried and angered by what one prominent member of the community called an “organized silence” surrounding the case. Dr. Sarah Halimi — a 66-year-old pensioner living in the Paris suburb of Belleville — was murdered in the early hours of April 4 by Kada Traore, a 27-year-old immigrant from Mali. After breaking into the neighboring apartment of another Malian family at 4:25 a.m. — whose terrified inhabitants locked themselves away as they heard him recite verses from the Quran — Traore jumped over the balcony and forced his way into Halimi’s apartment. As he beat the elderly lady savagely, her screams prompted neighbors to call the police. Three officers arrived at 4:45 a.m. But on hearing Traore yelling “Allahu Akhbar!” and “Shaitan!” (Arabic for ‘Satan’), they feared a terrorist attack was taking place, and called for backup. Anti-terror officers did not arrive until 5:00 a.m., by which time Halimi had been thrown by her attacker from the window of her third-floor apartment to the ground below. Traore, reported to be a drug dealer and addict with a criminal record, then returned to the apartment of the Malian family where he resumed his prayers, and was not taken into police custody until almost 6:00 a.m. Shock over the barbaric nature of the murder has been compounded by the reluctance of both the media and French authorities to recognize it as an antisemitic hate crime — even after a silent march of remembrance on the Sunday after the murder was met by local youths chanting “Death to the Jews” and “We Own Kalashnikovs.” In an open letter to new French Interior Minister Gerard Collomb, Alexandra Laignel-Lavastine — a French journalist and expert on antisemitism — charged that “in the advanced decadence that reigns today in the country of (antisemitic comedian) Dieudonné, for whom ‘the Jews are dogs’ (and people laugh hysterically), it seems that a run-over dog deserves more attention than a murdered Jewish woman.” Laignel-Lavastine also quoted William Attal, Halimi’s brother, who stated, “I have waited seven weeks before I said anything. The absolute silence about my sister’s murder has become intolerable.” Since the murder, official and media accounts of what transpired have played up claims that Traore was suffering from mental illness, while virtually ignoring the antisemitic element of the crime. A common theory is that the recent French election encouraged — in the phrase of Michel Gurfinkiel, a leading French political analyst and president of the Jean-Jacques Rousseau Institute in Paris — an “organized silence” around the Halimi murder. “Such a story would benefit the Right and the National Front,” Gurfinkiel said. “Everyone is convinced this is why there has been such an organized silence around the story.” A few days after the murder, Marine Le Pen — the leader of the far-right, anti-immigrant National Front — tweeted that Halimi’s fate made her want to “speak about Islamist antisemitism.” Le Pen was defeated by centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron in the second round of the presidential election on May 7. “The Jewish community was very careful not to be suspected of siding with Marine Le Pen,” Gurfinkiel said. He also noted that state provision of security to religious buildings and institutions means that Jewish organizations are “reluctant to raise certain questions.” But as more time passes in the wake of Halimi’s murder, the calls to recognize its antisemitic nature are growing. Interviewed by the Le Parisien newspaper last week, the lawyers for the Halimi family, Jean-Alex Buchinger and David Kaminsky, said in no uncertain terms that Sarah Halimi had been “targeted, tortured and killed by her assailant because she was Jewish.” Halimi’s murder robbed the Jewish community in Paris of one of its most loved figures, known for her work as a doctor and as a kindergarten teacher. “She was very well known and respected, a great person,” Gurfinkiel said. “The tragedy is that she was living in that part of Paris where Jews are gradually leaving, since the security doesn’t exist anymore.” It also brought forth reminders of the 2006 kidnapping and murder of a young French Jew, Ilan Halimi — no relation to Ruth Halimi — whose body was left for dead by a mostly-Muslim gang who seized him out of the belief that Jews were wealthy and willing to pay ransom money. “The French police were of no help during the whole (Ilan Halimi) episode, rejecting any idea that antisemitism could have played a role in the affair and preferring to believe the absurd notion that this was the result of some war between rival gangs,” Laignel-Lavastine noted in her letter about Ruth Halimi to French Interior Minister Collomb. “Ten years later, we have reached the same point.” Traore is currently undergoing psychiatric tests and Jewish communal leaders are impatient for more information from authorities. “The more time passes, the more the community feels that there is something you do not want to tell us,” commented Joel Mergui, head of the Consistoire — the governing body of French Jewish communities. You're so right. Has absolutely nothing to do with Islam whatsoever. As a matter of fact, Dividavi, I think you should convert TO Islam!!! So much more a better fit for you, than Judaism!!!!
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Post by blade on May 30, 2017 18:24:32 GMT
Anybody have an opinion as to whether this should be described as terrorism or something else? Let’s remember, Islam is a peaceful religion and played no part in this killing. The claim that the killer was yelling “Allahu Akhbar!” and “Shaitan!” is obviously a false-flag deception to smear the Religion of Peace. www.algemeiner.com/2017/05/29/french-jewish-anger-grows-over-savage-antisemitic-murder-of-pensioner-at-hands-of-muslim-in-paris-suburb/MAY 29, 2017 3:34 PM French Jewish Anger Grows Over Savage Antisemitic Murder of Pensioner at Hands of Muslim in Paris Suburb
by Ben Cohen As further details emerge of the brutal murder of an Orthodox Jewish woman in a Paris suburb at the hands of a Muslim assailant last month, French Jews are increasingly worried and angered by what one prominent member of the community called an “organized silence” surrounding the case. Dr. Sarah Halimi — a 66-year-old pensioner living in the Paris suburb of Belleville — was murdered in the early hours of April 4 by Kada Traore, a 27-year-old immigrant from Mali. After breaking into the neighboring apartment of another Malian family at 4:25 a.m. — whose terrified inhabitants locked themselves away as they heard him recite verses from the Quran — Traore jumped over the balcony and forced his way into Halimi’s apartment. As he beat the elderly lady savagely, her screams prompted neighbors to call the police. Three officers arrived at 4:45 a.m. But on hearing Traore yelling “Allahu Akhbar!” and “Shaitan!” (Arabic for ‘Satan’), they feared a terrorist attack was taking place, and called for backup. Anti-terror officers did not arrive until 5:00 a.m., by which time Halimi had been thrown by her attacker from the window of her third-floor apartment to the ground below. Traore, reported to be a drug dealer and addict with a criminal record, then returned to the apartment of the Malian family where he resumed his prayers, and was not taken into police custody until almost 6:00 a.m. Shock over the barbaric nature of the murder has been compounded by the reluctance of both the media and French authorities to recognize it as an antisemitic hate crime — even after a silent march of remembrance on the Sunday after the murder was met by local youths chanting “Death to the Jews” and “We Own Kalashnikovs.” In an open letter to new French Interior Minister Gerard Collomb, Alexandra Laignel-Lavastine — a French journalist and expert on antisemitism — charged that “in the advanced decadence that reigns today in the country of (antisemitic comedian) Dieudonné, for whom ‘the Jews are dogs’ (and people laugh hysterically), it seems that a run-over dog deserves more attention than a murdered Jewish woman.” Laignel-Lavastine also quoted William Attal, Halimi’s brother, who stated, “I have waited seven weeks before I said anything. The absolute silence about my sister’s murder has become intolerable.” Since the murder, official and media accounts of what transpired have played up claims that Traore was suffering from mental illness, while virtually ignoring the antisemitic element of the crime. A common theory is that the recent French election encouraged — in the phrase of Michel Gurfinkiel, a leading French political analyst and president of the Jean-Jacques Rousseau Institute in Paris — an “organized silence” around the Halimi murder. “Such a story would benefit the Right and the National Front,” Gurfinkiel said. “Everyone is convinced this is why there has been such an organized silence around the story.” A few days after the murder, Marine Le Pen — the leader of the far-right, anti-immigrant National Front — tweeted that Halimi’s fate made her want to “speak about Islamist antisemitism.” Le Pen was defeated by centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron in the second round of the presidential election on May 7. “The Jewish community was very careful not to be suspected of siding with Marine Le Pen,” Gurfinkiel said. He also noted that state provision of security to religious buildings and institutions means that Jewish organizations are “reluctant to raise certain questions.” But as more time passes in the wake of Halimi’s murder, the calls to recognize its antisemitic nature are growing. Interviewed by the Le Parisien newspaper last week, the lawyers for the Halimi family, Jean-Alex Buchinger and David Kaminsky, said in no uncertain terms that Sarah Halimi had been “targeted, tortured and killed by her assailant because she was Jewish.” Halimi’s murder robbed the Jewish community in Paris of one of its most loved figures, known for her work as a doctor and as a kindergarten teacher. “She was very well known and respected, a great person,” Gurfinkiel said. “The tragedy is that she was living in that part of Paris where Jews are gradually leaving, since the security doesn’t exist anymore.” It also brought forth reminders of the 2006 kidnapping and murder of a young French Jew, Ilan Halimi — no relation to Ruth Halimi — whose body was left for dead by a mostly-Muslim gang who seized him out of the belief that Jews were wealthy and willing to pay ransom money. “The French police were of no help during the whole (Ilan Halimi) episode, rejecting any idea that antisemitism could have played a role in the affair and preferring to believe the absurd notion that this was the result of some war between rival gangs,” Laignel-Lavastine noted in her letter about Ruth Halimi to French Interior Minister Collomb. “Ten years later, we have reached the same point.” Traore is currently undergoing psychiatric tests and Jewish communal leaders are impatient for more information from authorities. “The more time passes, the more the community feels that there is something you do not want to tell us,” commented Joel Mergui, head of the Consistoire — the governing body of French Jewish communities. You're so right. Has absolutely nothing to do with Islam whatsoever. As a matter of fact, Dividavi, I think you should convert TO Islam!!! So much more a better fit for you, than Judaism!!!! Great idea.
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Post by cupcakes on May 30, 2017 18:35:53 GMT
tpfkar Not much difference between Islamists and some of the Christians around here. I suppose you are the type of person who believe Adolf Hitler was an altruist then, if you think Mother Teresa was evil.
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Post by clusium on May 30, 2017 18:41:38 GMT
tpfkar Not much difference between Islamists and some of the Christians around here. I suppose you are the type of person who believe Adolf Hitler was an altruist then, if you think Mother Teresa was evil.Very true. As a matter of fact, there not that much difference between Islamists & some of the ANTI-THEISTS around here either.
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Post by cupcakes on May 30, 2017 18:44:20 GMT
tpfkar In what ways do you posit? If other monotheistic religions do it, it obviously means that it is not breaking the First Commandment to do so. We have far more reason to honour the Blessed Virgin Mary, than Muslims do Muhammad, & yet, most Protestant divisions barely pay any lip service to her, whatsoever.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 30, 2017 18:47:45 GMT
When people kill others, they should be held responsible.
I believe in holding individuals responsible for their own actions.
Islam is convenient, for those on both sides.
"I'm not a murderer, I'm a practicing Muslim".
"It's not the murderer that's the problem it's Islam'.
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Post by clusium on May 30, 2017 18:58:49 GMT
tpfkar In what ways do you posit? If other monotheistic religions do it, it obviously means that it is not breaking the First Commandment to do so. We have far more reason to honour the Blessed Virgin Mary, than Muslims do Muhammad, & yet, most Protestant divisions barely pay any lip service to her, whatsoever. Same lack of tolerance towards those whom they disagree with.
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Post by cupcakes on May 30, 2017 19:01:07 GMT
tpfkar Lack of tolerance of the "no great love" type? I see where you're coming from, buttercup. And yes, your no great love for Christianity and Islam DOES equal bigotry & hatred.
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Post by clusium on May 30, 2017 19:05:00 GMT
tpfkar Lack of tolerance of the "no great love" type? I see where you're coming from, buttercup. And yes, your no great love for Christianity and Islam DOES equal bigotry & hatred.Thank you.
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Post by cupcakes on May 30, 2017 19:09:10 GMT
tpfkar You are quite skilled at the chuckleheaded cries of "intolerance". fellow intelligent posters, like Ada and Monkeydoctor
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Post by vernuf on May 30, 2017 19:19:44 GMT
That's not a terrorist attack because "something, something" and that Muslim was not a "real" Muslim because Muslims are always the perpetrators, never the victims. Also, the two men who died weren't heroes, they were obviously anti-Americans and Muslim sympathizers. The sad thing is I can picture that as the OP's thoughts (as well as several other anti-Muslim individuals') on it.
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Post by phludowin on May 30, 2017 19:22:55 GMT
Assholes don't kill because they are religious, they kill because they are assholes.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 19:38:11 GMT
Assholes don't kill because they are religious, they kill because they are assholes. This quote by Steve Weinberg is harsh but contains more than a grain of truth:
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Post by thorshairspray on May 30, 2017 19:55:27 GMT
Assholes don't kill because they are religious, they kill because they are assholes. This quote by Steve Weinberg is harsh but contains more than a grain of truth: Soldiers kill people. Spec Ops can assassinate people. Are they mentally ill or unstable? People kill for many reasons, if we want to go down the cultural relativism route, ISIS are only different to the SAS because we believe the SAS to be morally justified. ISIS also believe themselves morally justified.
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Post by dividavi on May 30, 2017 23:56:00 GMT
I can't get the New York Times page but I read this account from Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Portland_train_stabbingsYou asked, what do I think? He seems to have the typical KKK/Neo-Nazi mentality though he's a bit more dedicated than most. My personal view is that he should be given a fair trial and then shot, hanged or otherwise be put to death. Furthermore, hate-speech and threatening remarks as in the Portland train situation should be criminalized just as they are in Germany and Austria. It would include types like Jeremy Joseph Christian but also religious types who advocate murder/assault/imprisonment for Gays. I'm thinking about pastors like Charles Worley (North Carolina), Curtis Knapp (Kansas) and ( ) Gipson (Mississippi). Additionally, I'd prosecute the trash at FOX News who incite violence against Muslims, Gays and abortion providers. It's May 31 where I am and that's the 8th anniversary of the murder of abortion doctor George Tiller in Wichita, Kansas. FOX's Bill O'Reilly referred to Tiller at least 22 times as "Tiller the killer." Did O'Reilly and FOX cause Tiller's murder at Redeemer Lutheran Church in 2009? They sure did as far as I'm concerned. By the way, O'Reilly is gone from FOX but that network spouts the same shit. They cite the Portland train killer's alleged support for Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders as proof of something or other. Now, I fully answered your question. What was your purpose in asking it other than diverting from another Jew-killing by Muslims?
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