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Post by dividavi on May 31, 2017 1:39:34 GMT
That's an interesting question though perhaps rhetorical in nature. That too is an interesting question. That's a third interesting question and one demanding a specific answer. You see, fucktard, I'm in no mood to answer anything from an evasive trickster like yourself. In the current Manchester bombing thread I asked you what specific Mideast events you had in mind as causes of the bombing. Instead of answering you talked vague shit. In the same vein, you may recall a thread I started in the Religion forum of the old IMDB, when I was dividavii and you were You Might Rabbit. It concerned the stabbing death of a 13 year old Jewish girl in her bedroom by a 17 year old Palestinian intruder. Remember that? I asked you if you thought that was an evil act and in response you talked the same noncommittal and vague crap as you do now. You were unable to say if the girl's murder was a bad thing or not. So in the future don't ask me any questions because you're not worthy of any answers from me.
That wasn't phrased as a question but as some indisputable and axiomatic statement. Nonetheless, it deserves an answer since it does make a point and that's to defend the terrorists from the just punishment they deserve. I could care less if some pompous diplomat issues profound statements about the rejection and condemnation of Palestinian terrorism. It's invariably coupled with a call for Israel to avoid retribution and exercise restraint. That's what US Secretary of State Colin Powell said after some terrorist attack and UK Mideast Peace Envoy Tony Blair said the same thing. The Israelis are supposed to find this satisfactory. The Arabs are happy since they continue to get financing and supplies. From a practical standpoint the Jews are the only people who are required to obey the admonition from Jesus to turn the other cheek. This Mideast Crisis would have ended long ago without phony charity to Arab terrorists.
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Post by dividavi on May 31, 2017 2:07:44 GMT
That's not a terrorist attack because "something, something" and that Muslim was not a "real" Muslim because Muslims are always the perpetrators, never the victims. Also, the two men who died weren't heroes, they were obviously anti-Americans and Muslim sympathizers. The sad thing is I can picture that as the OP's thoughts (as well as several other anti-Muslim individuals') on it. Glad to know that you two agree with each other's suppositions about what's in my mind.
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Post by cupcakes on May 31, 2017 2:21:53 GMT
tpfkar Rhetorical meaning statement. Thanks x2! The second would be obvious as an actual question to all save purposely sensationalizing bullsh!tters. I really could not possibly care less what a demented spittle-clown like yourself thinks. And I certainly expected no real answer from you. But since you ass-puked out the inane suggestions of the blinkered partisan, they were points that screamed to be highlighted. Hence, they were. I never suggested any specific causes, as the only proximate one I know for sure is a radicalized individual. If you want to ask leading inane questions, like I said, knock your brutality-supporting self out. I don't generally opine on such convenient speculations, nor of course barely-disguised inane assertions that you're wont to crap out all the time, because I had none and I had in no way suggested I had. You're a liar. ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/giveup.gif) What may be true is that you started on your compensation-for-effeteness badgering that you do and I in one way or another told you to go f!ck yourself. And, mental case, I'm likely to be asking you plenty of questions, rhetorical or otherwise, about the brainbleed gross hyperbole and hypocrisy you so like to fulminate with, so suit up. Zbigniew had mad insight skills. The Israeli state doesn't turn the other cheek. It is a grasping, murderous regime that helps to perpetuate the turmoil of the region that it radiates throughout the world. Bad actors and governments in Palestine don't justify anything but defense, at least once the British royally f!cked over the place and the people there starting in the first part of the last century. If they didn't do the U.S.'s dirty work occasionally and the U.S. didn't dump multi-billions on them for years then they wouldn't be continually attempting to steal more, and a large strain of violence in the world long ago could have diminished significantly. The Israelis taught the Islamists terrorism, spied on and stole from the U.S. to get their nukes, and to this day push people from their rightful homes in order to fill them with radicals. But rage on any time you like whenever somebody points out gaping holes in your fanatic's propaganda. ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/giveup.gif) Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them.
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Post by Aj_June on May 31, 2017 5:24:11 GMT
The concern of the Jews of Europe towards Muslims is understandable. There seems to be a high level of antisemitism in Muslims of Europe. I don't have any exact data but during the time I lived in UK it was evident to me that the level of antisemitism was high among Muslims (based on my conversations with 7 or 8 Muslim friends and a visit to Hyde Park London on a Sunday). Recently a lot of news of bullying even by Muslim children have surfaced. It's concerning when even children are into it.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 8:07:18 GMT
Assholes don't kill because they are religious, they kill because they are assholes. So you think it's a just a coincidence that Islam has considerably more "assholes" among it's ranks than any other religion, Heinz? Don't be so naive FFS. The reason Muslims kill in the name of Islam is because that's what their Islamic sources teach. Fortunately most Muslims choose not to fully comply and use a more moderate interpretation. Some Muslim fundamentalists however take that shit very seriously. Hence terrorist attack after terrorist attack. The sooner you nauseating do-gooder liberals stop this nonsense of shielding Islam of criticism, the sooner we can work to make progress by actually trying to confront the root of the issue which is an ideology that's been driving these terrorist atrocities for 1400 years.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 8:11:20 GMT
The concern of the Jews of Europe towards Muslims is understandable. There seems to be a high level of antisemitism in Muslims of Europe. I don't have any exact data but during the time I lived in UK it was evident to me that the level of antisemitism was high among Muslims (based on my conversations with 7 or 8 Muslim friends and a visit to Hyde Park London on a Sunday). Recently a lot of news of bullying even by Muslim children have surfaced. It's concerning when even children are into it. Muslim friends with anti-Semitic views? Surely not. Careful you'll have Edward Elizabeth Cuckler and Cuckmachinery along any minute now to tell you just what they think of your 'lies'.
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Post by Aj_June on May 31, 2017 8:23:53 GMT
The concern of the Jews of Europe towards Muslims is understandable. There seems to be a high level of antisemitism in Muslims of Europe. I don't have any exact data but during the time I lived in UK it was evident to me that the level of antisemitism was high among Muslims (based on my conversations with 7 or 8 Muslim friends and a visit to Hyde Park London on a Sunday). Recently a lot of news of bullying even by Muslim children have surfaced. It's concerning when even children are into it. Muslim friends with anti-Semitic views? Surely not. If you ever do masters from a mid tier university of UK then you will find that at least 35% of students are Muslims. You are bound to be friends with them. Almost all my 7 or 8 Muslim friends were nice people. My current flatmate is a Pakistani too and a very nice guy. They exhibit antisemitism simply because they have been fed propaganda. Most of them are as good human beings as people of any other religion. But the society in which they were raised had instilled antisemitism in them . Probably mainly because of the Israel-Palestine conflict but Islam too exhibits certain level of antisemitism as does history of Europe.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 8:26:58 GMT
Muslim friends with anti-Semitic views? Surely not. If you ever do masters from a mid tier university of UK then you will find that at least 35% of students are Muslims. You are bound to be friends with them. Almost all my 7 or 8 Muslims were nice people. My current flatmate is a Pakistani too and a very nice guy. They exhibit antisemitism simply because they have been fed propaganda. Most of them are as good human beings as people of any other religion. But the society in which they were raised had instilled antisemitism in them . Probably mainly because of the Israel-Palestine conflict but Islam too exhibits certain level of antisemitism as does history of Europe. But but but I thought only the extremists can display a antisemitic attitude? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?
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Post by tickingmask on May 31, 2017 8:31:23 GMT
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. What a completely moronic statement. There are plenty of ways to convince good people to do evil things - for example, by telling them that the evil thing they have to do is vital to the interest of national security, or scientific research, or of creating a fair society, or of ridding the world of other evils, or to prevent some sort of catastrophe. Most people can be convinced to do pretty much anything, if you look at the evidence, for example this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
I've never heard of Steve Weinberg, but it must take a particularly stupid complacent and slow-witted atheist to come up with the idea that only religious people can be persuaded to do evil things.
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Post by Aj_June on May 31, 2017 8:34:51 GMT
If you ever do masters from a mid tier university of UK then you will find that at least 35% of students are Muslims. You are bound to be friends with them. Almost all my 7 or 8 Muslims were nice people. My current flatmate is a Pakistani too and a very nice guy. They exhibit antisemitism simply because they have been fed propaganda. Most of them are as good human beings as people of any other religion. But the society in which they were raised had instilled antisemitism in them . Probably mainly because of the Israel-Palestine conflict but Islam too exhibits certain level of antisemitism as does history of Europe. But but but I thought only the extremists can display a antisemitic attitude? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? Extremists are the ones who put thoughts into actions. Yes, nice people can display antisemitism if they are not aware of the concept and if they have been taught something as normal. As I said the main reason why many Muslims display antisemitism is Israel-Palestine conflict. Look at tickingmask's post above for a better explanation.
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Post by cupcakes on May 31, 2017 12:10:36 GMT
tpfkar Do you think that "Muslims" killed this lady or that the French police are complicit in covering something up out of their desire to protect the "Religion of Peace"? Actually—and this was where I began to feel seriously uncomfortable—some such divine claim underlay not just 'the occupation' but the whole idea of a separate state for Jews in Palestine. Take away the divine warrant for the Holy Land and where were you, and what were you? Just another land-thief like the Turks or the British, except that in this case you wanted the land without the people. And the original Zionist slogan—'a land without a people for a people without a land'—disclosed its own negation when I saw the densely populated Arab towns dwelling sullenly under Jewish tutelage. You want irony? How about Jews becoming colonizers at just the moment when other Europeans had given up on the idea?
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Post by Aj_June on May 31, 2017 12:25:09 GMT
tpfkar Do you think that "Muslims" killed this lady or that the French police are complicit in covering something up out of their desire to protect the "Religion of Peace"? Actually—and this was where I began to feel seriously uncomfortable—some such divine claim underlay not just 'the occupation' but the whole idea of a separate state for Jews in Palestine. Take away the divine warrant for the Holy Land and where were you, and what were you? Just another land-thief like the Turks or the British, except that in this case you wanted the land without the people. And the original Zionist slogan—'a land without a people for a people without a land'—disclosed its own negation when I saw the densely populated Arab towns dwelling sullenly under Jewish tutelage. You want irony? How about Jews becoming colonizers at just the moment when other Europeans had given up on the idea?I don't feel anything about it in those terms. I almost never think about individual crimes. I believe that there is a high amount of antisemitism in Europe and think that things should be done about that on a much higher level. While antisemitism is historical in Europe, the form of antisemitism displayed by Muslims is completely different than historical antisemitism that still exists. The historical form of antisemitism is based on Christian history but the new form of antisemitism is based on both political and religious factors. I recommend talking with mosque leaders and encouraging them to teach the Muslims kids regarding not having bias against Jews.
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Post by cupcakes on May 31, 2017 12:34:08 GMT
tpfkar Well, those were op's terms. That might be less effective with highly immoral hypocrites screaming in their other ear. He looked me directly in the eye. 'So you live in America?' 'We do.' I smiled. He stopped, opened his backpack, pulled out an empty tear gas grenade and handed it to me. 'I believe it was a present from your country.' Majid smiled. 'Tell your friends thanks. We got their grenade.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 13:05:23 GMT
tpfkar Well, those were op's terms. That might be less effective with highly immoral hypocrites screaming in their other ear. He looked me directly in the eye. 'So you live in America?' 'We do.' I smiled. He stopped, opened his backpack, pulled out an empty tear gas grenade and handed it to me. 'I believe it was a present from your country.' Majid smiled. 'Tell your friends thanks. We got their grenade.While the OP does distract from underlying causes of terrorism and Islamophobia, it’s good to see two comments that turn attention to where it belongs - Thanks, Cupcakes and Aj. Perhaps a reminder of the many dictators, Islamic and other, my country has backed would be timely now (This is an old article, but still worth a read): truthhugger.com/2007/12/08/us-backed-dictators-cause-backlash-of-terrorism/
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Post by vernuf on May 31, 2017 18:58:45 GMT
I can't get the New York Times page but I read this account from Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Portland_train_stabbingsYou asked, what do I think? He seems to have the typical KKK/Neo-Nazi mentality though he's a bit more dedicated than most. My personal view is that he should be given a fair trial and then shot, hanged or otherwise be put to death. Furthermore, hate-speech and threatening remarks as in the Portland train situation should be criminalized just as they are in Germany and Austria. It would include types like Jeremy Joseph Christian but also religious types who advocate murder/assault/imprisonment for Gays. I'm thinking about pastors like Charles Worley (North Carolina), Curtis Knapp (Kansas) and ( ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ) Gipson (Mississippi). Additionally, I'd prosecute the trash at FOX News who incite violence against Muslims, Gays and abortion providers. It's May 31 where I am and that's the 8th anniversary of the murder of abortion doctor George Tiller in Wichita, Kansas. FOX's Bill O'Reilly referred to Tiller at least 22 times as "Tiller the killer." Did O'Reilly and FOX cause Tiller's murder at Redeemer Lutheran Church in 2009? They sure did as far as I'm concerned. By the way, O'Reilly is gone from FOX but that network spouts the same shit. They cite the Portland train killer's alleged support for Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders as proof of something or other. Now, I fully answered your question. What was your purpose in asking it other than diverting from another Jew-killing by Muslims? Well, see when you only comment on when members of one particular demographic does this sort of thing while completely ignoring when members of that demographic are victimized even though they have little to no power in the areas most of your audience are going to be in, it tends to suggest certain things. And when you get defensive about it like you did, it continues to suggest those things. It continues to suggest that very same thing when most of you answer only briefly touches on the actual question. I don't believe for one moment you care about the victims of either attack. I believe you just care about attacking Muslims and implying they all do this sort of thing. As to your answer, it rings pretty hollow when you're DOING THE EXACT SAME FUCKiNG thing as those Fox talking heads. When time after time, you post comments that look like what the KKK says about blacks with the serial numbers crossed off and replaced by Muslims. When my "fully" answered question barely touches incident.
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Post by vernuf on May 31, 2017 18:59:53 GMT
The sad thing is I can picture that as the OP's thoughts (as well as several other anti-Muslim individuals') on it. Glad to know that you two agree with each other's suppositions about what's in my mind. Stop acting like a passive-aggressive bigoted fuckwit and those suppositions will go away.
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Post by clusium on May 31, 2017 22:38:27 GMT
Glad to know that you two agree with each other's suppositions about what's in my mind. Stop acting like a passive-aggressive bigoted fuckwit and those suppositions will go away. Asking Dividavi to stop acting like a passive-aggressive bigoted fuckwit would be like asking the Atlantic Ocean (or even the Pacific Ocean) not to be wet. A bigot is a bigot. If it walks like a duck, acts like a duck, then it is a duck.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 1, 2017 3:40:14 GMT
Muslim friends with anti-Semitic views? Surely not. If you ever do masters from a mid tier university of UK then you will find that at least 35% of students are Muslims. You are bound to be friends with them. Almost all my 7 or 8 Muslim friends were nice people. My current flatmate is a Pakistani too and a very nice guy. They exhibit antisemitism simply because they have been fed propaganda. Most of them are as good human beings as people of any other religion. But the society in which they were raised had instilled antisemitism in them . Probably mainly because of the Israel-Palestine conflict but Islam too exhibits certain level of antisemitism as does history of Europe. www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/07/antisemitism-rise-europe-worst-since-nazis
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Post by dividavi on Jun 1, 2017 5:43:44 GMT
Glad to know that you two agree with each other's suppositions about what's in my mind. Stop acting like a passive-aggressive bigoted fuckwit and those suppositions will go away. Well, I don't consider myself to be a bigoted fuckwit but I can understand why people infer that from what I've written. So if you think that's what I am, I'll accept that designation since it has some basis in fact, but not much. However, in no way can I agree that I've ever demonstrated anything that could be equated to passive-aggressive behavior. That term is defined this way by Wikipedia: Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, stubbornness, sullen behavior, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible. For research purposes, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) revision IV describes passive-aggressive personality disorder as a "pervasive pattern of negativistic attitudes and passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in social and occupational situations."I don't interfere with the operation of this forum and I have never posted with the intent to aggravate anybody. I do disagree with widely held notions that are on investigation totally false. Whatever else I am, I'm not sullen. Contrary to Arab propaganda Islam in practice is a religion that regularly oppresses, robs and murders those not following the proper lifestyle. Islam leads to instability and violence as shown by the disintegration of states like Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Mali and Libya that have no effective government. As far as I know there are no Muslim states that offer their citizens basic human liberties like religious freedom. Another feature of Muslim societies is their inability to accept blame for anything. They've destroyed/expelled/intimidated most of their non-Muslim residents and currently support the frequent murder of Jews in France, in Israel, indeed everywhere. That can all be documented and your disliking it doesn't change things.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 7:58:14 GMT
Stop acting like a passive-aggressive bigoted fuckwit and those suppositions will go away. Well, I don't consider myself to be a bigoted fuckwit but I can understand why people infer that from what I've written. So if you think that's what I am, I'll accept that designation since it has some basis in fact, but not much. However, in no way can I agree that I've ever demonstrated anything that could be equated to passive-aggressive behavior. That term is defined this way by Wikipedia: Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, stubbornness, sullen behavior, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible. For research purposes, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) revision IV describes passive-aggressive personality disorder as a "pervasive pattern of negativistic attitudes and passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in social and occupational situations."I don't interfere with the operation of this forum and I have never posted with the intent to aggravate anybody. I do disagree with widely held notions that are on investigation totally false. Whatever else I am, I'm not sullen. Contrary to Arab propaganda Islam in practice is a religion that regularly oppresses, robs and murders those not following the proper lifestyle. Islam leads to instability and violence as shown by the disintegration of states like Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Mali and Libya that have no effective government. As far as I know there are no Muslim states that offer their citizens basic human liberties like religious freedom. Another feature of Muslim societies is their inability to accept blame for anything. They've destroyed/expelled/intimidated most of their non-Muslim residents and currently support the frequent murder of Jews in France, in Israel, indeed everywhere. That can all be documented and your disliking it doesn't change things. SJW vernuf for some reason seems to think he's being sensible parading his anti-bigotry by constantly standing up for and defending the most bigoted, intolerant and oppressive ideology on the planet. : ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/laugh.gif)
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