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Post by politicidal on May 31, 2017 1:26:43 GMT
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Post by louise on May 31, 2017 7:00:47 GMT
Very interesting. the British Museum dictionary of ancient egypt says dna testing revealed mixed ancestry hut with a predominant syrio palestinian strain, so it's not really surprising. that modern egyptains have more sub saharan dna isn't really surprising either, there would have been more people coming from the south presumably over time.
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Post by maya55555 on Jun 2, 2017 22:35:16 GMT
Ancient Egypt was the original "melting pot".
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Post by bonerxmas on Jun 2, 2017 22:57:35 GMT
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Post by bd74 on Jun 8, 2017 0:33:24 GMT
If you read the comments, some people are already playing the race card. Anyway, I always thought it was obvious that ancient Egyptians were anything but black. I always saw the whole "Egyptians were black" nonsense as just wishful thinking and sheer ignorance based on the fact that Egypt happens to be in Africa. In this mural, an Egyptian is on the far right, while a Nubian is 3rd from the right. Notice the clear difference between them.
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Post by hi224 on Jun 10, 2017 9:25:31 GMT
So what are we to take from all this as well.
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Post by maya55555 on Jun 11, 2017 0:22:04 GMT
Explain this figurine from the fourth dynasty (2613 - 2494 BC)
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Post by hi224 on Jun 11, 2017 2:58:56 GMT
so are egyptians black at all or what dudes geez.
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Post by maya55555 on Jun 24, 2017 18:58:46 GMT
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Post by hi224 on Jun 26, 2017 7:19:15 GMT
im just being facetious, I've seen alot of threads lately get derailed by dudes hurling insults at one another.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 23:30:15 GMT
There are a few points to remember,
we are talking about North Africa and there was probably race mixing and various ethic groups, since these groups no longer exist in the same state because of generations of successive invasions we are unlikely to notice them today and this more than likely lead to ancient cultural divisions.
The Twenty-fifth Dynasty of Egypt- also known as the Nubian Dynasty has been frequently referenced for having 'Black' Pharaohs sitting on the throne except for the fact that it had been a long custom for political exiles to be sent to the 'Frontier' of Nubia which lay on ancient Egypt's southern border and was a key strategic point to garrison for trade and defense.
When civil war had broke out- the 'Governing' Egyptians and this southern army took advantage of it and marched northward and took over control of the government and installed themselves as a dynasty.
There is probably no bigger melting pot in history than the Middle East and North Africa-
I say good luck trying to sort it all out. The DNA read-outs must be longer than the Nile river at this point and time.
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Post by bd74 on Jun 28, 2017 1:08:15 GMT
Explain this figurine from the fourth dynasty (2613 - 2494 BC)
Explain what? Do you seriously assume that to be a black man? With those lips and that nose?
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Post by bd74 on Jun 28, 2017 1:10:01 GMT
There are a few points to remember, we are talking about North Africa and there was probably race mixing and various ethic groups, since these groups no longer exist in the same state because of generations of successive invasions we are unlikely to notice them today and this more than likely lead to ancient cultural divisions. Where's the evidence of blacks in other parts of ancient North Africa? Why focus only on Egypt? Is it because there are pyramids and other imposing structures in Egypt, they wanna claim that as theirs? Why aren't there such structures in West Africa?
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Post by yezziqa on Jun 28, 2017 1:23:46 GMT
There are a few points to remember, we are talking about North Africa and there was probably race mixing and various ethic groups, since these groups no longer exist in the same state because of generations of successive invasions we are unlikely to notice them today and this more than likely lead to ancient cultural divisions. Where's the evidence of blacks in other parts of ancient North Africa? Why focus only on Egypt? Is it because there are pyramids and other imposing structures in Egypt, they wanna claim that as theirs? Why aren't there such structures in West Africa? What makes you belive that there are no structures in West Africa?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 4:16:49 GMT
There are a few points to remember, we are talking about North Africa and there was probably race mixing and various ethic groups, since these groups no longer exist in the same state because of generations of successive invasions we are unlikely to notice them today and this more than likely lead to ancient cultural divisions. Where's the evidence of blacks in other parts of ancient North Africa? Why focus only on Egypt? Is it because there are pyramids and other imposing structures in Egypt, they wanna claim that as theirs? Why aren't there such structures in West Africa? There is a North African country named Ethiopia, and one can certainly say that it is racially mixed, there are ancient references to Blond Blue-eyed Libyans and even redheaded Egyptians and Nubia to the south is a product of racial mixing. This does not mean that the Ancient Egyptians were of 'Black' Heritage- It is just my argument that this particular area is 'Historically' diverse and making one assumption from DNA evidence taken either from current populations or Mummified remains is probably not an accurate cross section, not to mention-there is doubt that the DNA taken from these ancient remains is not riddled with inconsistencies by it's very age and deterioration. (from what I have just read of them, how much is computer analysis?). And if there was an overwhelming 'Black' presence or any other ethnicity, it would surely show up as a diversion in the Egyptian's Art but other than some odd representation or sculptural specimens (which could mean something entirely else) Their art is overwhelming 'Egyptian' looking in features. It's hard to just interpret it as you want because it is pretty standardized stuff over the millennium. What does this racial mixing look like? It doesn't really matter to me- as the Egyptian's accomplishments remain the same- they are just Egyptians and are not culturally related to west or sub-Saharan Africa, that rather large desert and those vast savannas had much to do with it but it did not exclude population migrations overtime, the Saharan desert was once lush and fertile. A bit of a radical change that was only fully realized after cave art was found representing it.
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Post by maya55555 on Jun 28, 2017 11:33:57 GMT
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That was precisely my point. BTW, you missed the blue eyes. That is not the only statue of that type, as there many others.
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