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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 14, 2022 14:41:07 GMT
Screenplay? Direction?
I must say that the movie is good and fun escapism, very entertaining. Also, at the time, it was the most "comic book-ish" entry in the franchise.
I think that many fans were thrown off by Weapon XI/Dead Pool, but that was intended to be an alternate version of the character anyway.
I would add some CGI-superimposed blood on Logan/Wolverine when he awakes after the 'Weapon X' procedure, and would re-do his claws in the bathroom scene.
Other than that, it's fine.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Nov 14, 2022 14:58:22 GMT
You mean "Wolverine: Origins"? I liked it, very underrated. Nowhere as good as "Logan" (my favorite super hero movie), but certainly better than "The Wolverine" (which I just found to be tediously dull)
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Nov 14, 2022 15:16:04 GMT
Alternates between boring and stupid as fuck. Awful.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 14, 2022 15:41:23 GMT
Alternates between boring and stupid as fuck. Awful. "Stupid as fuck" where? Please, articulate this point.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 14, 2022 15:43:13 GMT
You mean "Wolverine: Origins"? I liked it, very underrated. Nowhere as good as "Logan" (my favorite super hero movie), but certainly better than "The Wolverine" (which I just found to be tediously dull) Yes, it's underrated. I don't understand/get the haters' arguments and motivations. I wanna hear them.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 14, 2022 15:46:37 GMT
I don't dislike it as much as some people, but the movie is a mess. The script and directing are all over the place and it completely ruins Deadpool. The movie is entertaining, but it is not a good movie. It is a very frustrated movie, because it wastes what should have been a compelling and emotional origin story. It can really only be enjoyed in a cheesy guilty pleasure type way imo. Don't ask for specifics, because I haven't watched it since 2009 and don't have any desire to re-watch it.
Still better than X-Men: Dark Phoenix though.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 14, 2022 16:02:58 GMT
I don't dislike it as much as some people, but the movie is a mess. The script and directing are all over the place and it completely ruins Deadpool. The movie is entertaining, but it is not a good movie. It is a very frustrated movie, because it wastes what should have been a compelling and emotional origin story.
It's emotional. Logan loses his faith in his brother, loses his love (Kayla) and his memories. He is a betrayed man. That said, I only agree about the Weapon X procedure being softer than the X2 counterpart.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 14, 2022 16:10:34 GMT
I don't dislike it as much as some people, but the movie is a mess. The script and directing are all over the place and it completely ruins Deadpool. The movie is entertaining, but it is not a good movie. It is a very frustrated movie, because it wastes what should have been a compelling and emotional origin story.
It's emotional. Logan loses his faith in his brother, loses his love (Kayla) and his memories. He is a betrayed man. That said, I only agree about the Weapon X procedure being softer than the X2 counterpart.
It is suppose to be emotional, but it isn't. It basically writes stuff to be emotional and then handles that stuff in an unemotional/who cares way. That is one of the biggest issues. The previous X-Men movies set up his backstory as being interesting, disturbing and dramatic, but the presentation in X-Men Origins is just silly. I wasn't able to take anything about it seriously. The action scenes aren't very good, it is an uninteresting movie visually and there is stuff that really just doesn't make much sense, like the twist with the girlfriend. It is not what I wanted in my Wolverine movie and I also don't like the fact that it makes him and Sabretooth brothers, and why even introduce Wade Wilson (a fan favorite) and then make him extremely generic? There are other things I don't like too, like how his memory loss is handled. I also don't care for Danny Huston in it, his performance is one-note. Brian Cox added complexity to the character and the relationship that is hinted at in X2 just isn't gotten through in X-Men: Origins. The movie is phoned in.
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Post by soggy on Nov 14, 2022 16:23:40 GMT
Well, as with all films it's subjective, but I would say most don't like it because it's frankly a bit dull, it has the worst take on Deadpool imaginable, the emotional moments don't really ring true to most and it's just not as interesting of a story. It isn't what people wanted and it doesn't "earn" the emotions its going for... of course as said it may work for you, but I still think most agree with this assessment.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 14, 2022 16:27:42 GMT
It's emotional. Logan loses his faith in his brother, loses his love (Kayla) and his memories. He is a betrayed man. That said, I only agree about the Weapon X procedure being softer than the X2 counterpart.
It is suppose to be emotional, but it isn't. It basically writes stuff to be emotional and then handles that stuff in an unemotional/who cares way. That is one of the biggest issues. The previous X-Men movies set up his backstory as being interesting, disturbing and dramatic, but the presentation in X-Men Origins is just silly. I wasn't able to take anything about it seriously. The action scenes aren't very good, it is an uninteresting movie visually and there is stuff that really just doesn't make much sense, like the twist with the girlfriend. It is not what I wanted in my Wolverine movie and I also don't like the fact that it makes him and Sabretooth brothers, and why even introduce Wade Wilson (a fan favorite) and then make him extremely generic? There are other things I don't like too, like how his memory loss is handled. I also don't care for Danny Huston in it, his performance is one-note. Brian Cox added complexity to the character and the relationship that is hinted at in X2 just isn't gotten through in X-Men: Origins. The movie is phoned in.
Honestly, I agree with you that the movie is not "dramatic", but I disagree with you about it not being "emotional". The relationship Logan/Victor was very complex and well-depicted. It's great. There were great visuals, and the action was compelling. Taylor's Gambit was absolutely spot on. Okay, they kinda "ruined" Deadpool, but that monster version of Wade Wilson was scary and frightening. I'm not a Deadpool fan anyway.
It's a solid movie with some interesting plotlines... granted, there were too many characters, and that resembled an X-Men movie too much.
On a side note: do you consider Origins as part of the original timeline of the main universe, or an alternate universe like Logan and the Deadpool movies, Legion and The Gifted?
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 14, 2022 16:38:30 GMT
It is suppose to be emotional, but it isn't. It basically writes stuff to be emotional and then handles that stuff in an unemotional/who cares way. That is one of the biggest issues. The previous X-Men movies set up his backstory as being interesting, disturbing and dramatic, but the presentation in X-Men Origins is just silly. I wasn't able to take anything about it seriously. The action scenes aren't very good, it is an uninteresting movie visually and there is stuff that really just doesn't make much sense, like the twist with the girlfriend. It is not what I wanted in my Wolverine movie and I also don't like the fact that it makes him and Sabretooth brothers, and why even introduce Wade Wilson (a fan favorite) and then make him extremely generic? There are other things I don't like too, like how his memory loss is handled. I also don't care for Danny Huston in it, his performance is one-note. Brian Cox added complexity to the character and the relationship that is hinted at in X2 just isn't gotten through in X-Men: Origins. The movie is phoned in.
Honestly, I agree with you that the movie is not "dramatic", but I disagree with you about it not being "emotional". The relationship Logan/Victor was very complex and well-depicted. It's great. There were great visuals, and the action was compelling. Taylor's Gambit was absolutely spot on. Okay, they kinda "ruined" Deadpool, but that monster version of Wade Wilson was scary and frightening. I'm not a Deadpool fan anyway.
It's a solid movie with some interesting plotlines... granted, there were too many characters, and that resembled an X-Men movie too much.
On a side note: do you consider Origins as part of the original timeline of the main universe, or an alternate universe like Logan and the Deadpool movies, Legion and The Gifted?
Origins was sold as part of the original timeline, but to be fair the X-Men franchise is all over the place in general. It wasn't as much of a mess before Origins though. Origins has many directing and script choices I just don't like. The Wolverine (2013) is a step up, but I still don't care much for that movie either. You have an opinion and I don't agree with your opinion. I am not sure why people get all bent out of shape because other people dislike a movie that they like. I consider the movie the Batman Forever of the X-Men franchise. Not terrible, but very disappointing and nothing like the previous movies tonally. Even The Last Stand finds a balance between genuine drama and cartooniness that Origins lacks. The Last Stand reminded me of the 1990s cartoon in many ways, but Origins didn't. Origins is off in left field somewhere.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 14, 2022 16:48:31 GMT
You have an opinion and I don't agree with your opinion. I am not sure why people get all bent out of shape because other people dislike a movie that they like. I consider the movie the Batman Forever of the X-Men franchise. Not terrible, but very disappointing and nothing like the previous movie tonally. Even The Last Stand finds a balance between genuine drama and silliness that Origins misses. I respect your opinion. On the other hand, I just think that The Last Stand is a bleak and brilliant superhero movie, very underrated. Origins is the least of the bunch, but still a good movie in its own right. It needed more drama for sure.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 14, 2022 16:55:35 GMT
Oh, and another thing I really dislike about Origins is that it makes cringey directing choices. Those directing choices that are meant to be cool, but instead they have the opposite effect. Like Wolverine walking away from the explosion, the guy throwing his guns in the air in the beginning and stuff like that. So I would say my main issue with the movie is that I dislike the directing.
I actually think Wade Wilson should have been left out of the movie completely. They should have just had a different character be the creepy experiement at the end, because I do think he is creepy. Just don't bait and switch when you are writing your movie. They did the same thing with Mandarine in Iron Man 3 and that annoyed me even more.
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Post by Marv on Nov 14, 2022 22:03:37 GMT
A big reason, especially at the time, is that Wolverine was overexposed. The XMen films focused on him a lot so a spin-off about his origin story wasn’t all that interesting. Also worth noting Wolverines origin in comics was met with a lot of flack as well. For decades the characters backstory was a mystery and a lot of fans liked it that way. Giving him a hard cannon origin story was a decision met with mixed results. And also it’s just not a super memorable film.
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Post by Jason143 on Nov 14, 2022 22:12:51 GMT
Its a fun solo movie. Nothing more nothing less. Gets too much hate
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 14, 2022 22:53:13 GMT
Its a fun solo movie. Nothing more nothing less. Gets too much hate
Your nickname reminds me that Jason Stryker is on the movie too. Under ice. He looks like a 14 years old kid. I guess that years of torture and experimentation made him age a lot in the 15 years timespan between Origins and X2.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 14, 2022 23:16:05 GMT
A big reason, especially at the time, is that Wolverine was overexposed. The XMen films focused on him a lot so a spin-off about his origin story wasn’t all that interesting. Also worth noting Wolverines origin in comics was met with a lot of flack as well. For decades the characters backstory was a mystery and a lot of fans liked it that way. Giving him a hard cannon origin story was a decision met with mixed results. And also it’s just not a super memorable film. While I can understand that view, I don't hold it personally. Wolverine has always been one of my favorite superheroes, so I was anticipating X-Men: Origins a lot and that is part of the reason that the movie is so disappointing. I was very interested to see his backstory, though after watching the movie, it was probably better left a mystery. I was imagining something much different and much darker and more serious in my mind. Even though Logan isn't an origin story, that is the movie that finally did the stand-alone Wolverine stuff right. That is the movie the character deserved. A dark, serious and violent action drama.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 15, 2022 0:32:53 GMT
I don’t think it’s very good. But there’s a couple things I did like. The opening credits where we see all the wars both Wolverine and Sabretooth fought in was neat. That should been the whole movie. Why didn’t that happen? I also liked Liev Schreiber as Sabretooth a lot. Why didn’t he come back? I guess if I went back and rewatch it, I would be asking “why?” a lot.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 15, 2022 1:12:04 GMT
And now, an interesting question for all of you:
Which 'Weapon X' procedure depiction is correct? Origins (no blood on his body) or X2 (blood on his body)? I think that having his regenerative powers in FULL mode during the insert of adamantium in his body, would imply that his wounds just closed themselves at a faster speed. So there was very little time to bleed? What do you think?
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