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Post by Hnefahogg on Dec 1, 2022 9:05:04 GMT
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Post by clusium on Dec 1, 2022 13:23:35 GMT
Yeah, I read that yesterday in the newspaper too.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 1, 2022 15:48:12 GMT
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 1, 2022 16:39:15 GMT
I doubt most people really give a shit - a bigger issue is that there is a King and a House of Lords at all and the only state schools that do services are very open about it so it shouldn't be a surprise to parents who send their kids there
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Post by Sarge on Dec 2, 2022 4:12:44 GMT
They should abolish the Church of England, House of Lords, nobility in total, and use the money and wealth of the former Royal Family to pay reparations to the Irish.
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 2, 2022 10:15:30 GMT
They should abolish the Church of England, House of Lords, nobility in total, and use the money and wealth of the former Royal Family to pay reparations to the Irish. As an Irish person, I give this policy my full support.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Dec 5, 2022 8:51:21 GMT
"However, "no religion" was the second most common response after "Christian", the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said." That means that "Christian" is still the most common answer. So even if they're at less than 50%, they're still the majority. It's still the biggest demographic.
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 5, 2022 11:20:36 GMT
"However, "no religion" was the second most common response after "Christian", the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said." That means that "Christian" is still the most common answer. So even if they're at less than 50%, they're still the majority. It's still the biggest demographic. Well they're not a majority in the sense that there are more non-Christians than Christians. But of religious believers, Christians are in the majority. The news is being taken badly by many Christians, but I feel they may have the wrong perspective here. It doesn't say much for the Christianity of a region if its people are only Christian because it's just enforced upon them by culture, with no real thought from adherents as to whether they really believe it or not. However, in a region where non-religious and alternative religious views and people are common, those who cling to Christianity are probably stronger in their faith.
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 15, 2022 2:07:01 GMT
"However, "no religion" was the second most common response after "Christian", the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said." That means that "Christian" is still the most common answer. So even if they're at less than 50%, they're still the majority. It's still the biggest demographic. Well they're not a majority in the sense that there are more non-Christians than Christians. But of religious believers, Christians are in the majority. The news is being taken badly by many Christians, but I feel they may have the wrong perspective here. It doesn't say much for the Christianity of a region if its people are only Christian because it's just enforced upon them by culture, with no real thought from adherents as to whether they really believe it or not. However, in a region where non-religious and alternative religious views and people are common, those who cling to Christianity are probably stronger in their faith. Finally some scholarship is coming out that empirically demonstrates how the motley early Christian churches were constituted, and it’s not exactly how the church fathers later told it. St Paul never indicated in his writings that Jesus was a god, he understood him to be a human who was elevated to divinity just like others had been according to the Hebrew Scriptures such as Elijah. This is how the Jewish-Christians understood him, but this version was eliminated as more gnostic mystery religions began adopting Christianity into their rites. By the end of the century, John wrote his Gospel that established Jesus as God himself. Even Judaism wasn’t the same. The modern version started up about the time of Constantine.
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Post by Vegas on Dec 15, 2022 14:13:21 GMT
They should abolish the Church of England, House of Lords, nobility in total, and use the money and wealth of the former Royal Family to pay reparations to the Irish. As an Irish person, I give this policy my full support. I own a "Kiss Me, I'm Irish" shirt.... Does that count?
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 15, 2022 14:15:47 GMT
St Paul never indicated in his writings that Jesus was a god, he understood him to be a human who was elevated to divinity just like others had been according to the Hebrew Scriptures such as Elijah. Hmm, I think the jury's out on that one. I've heard some academics argue the opposite - Paul understood Jesus in fully divine terms and it was the later Gospel authors who tried to turn him into a historical man. And others argue for the more traditional "Jesus was fully god yet fully man" interpretation of Paul.
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Post by Vegas on Dec 15, 2022 14:23:40 GMT
By the end of the century, John wrote his Gospel that established Jesus as God himself. Even that is debatable The strongest argument is John 1:1 - "And The Word was God"... which is kind of a faulty interpretation of Aramaic. At the time of Constatine it was being argued that Jesus was made of the same substance as God - which later helped the concept of Jesus being God retroactively (History is written by the victors)
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Post by Hnefahogg on Dec 16, 2022 8:00:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 13:44:02 GMT
This is a trend across most first world nations.
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 22, 2022 11:53:11 GMT
Would that cancel my Church of England baptism?
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Post by Isapop on Dec 22, 2022 13:42:35 GMT
Would that cancel my Church of England baptism? I would look into getting a booster.
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 22, 2022 22:14:45 GMT
St Paul never indicated in his writings that Jesus was a god, he understood him to be a human who was elevated to divinity just like others had been according to the Hebrew Scriptures such as Elijah. Hmm, I think the jury's out on that one. I've heard some academics argue the opposite - Paul understood Jesus in fully divine terms and it was the later Gospel authors who tried to turn him into a historical man. And others argue for the more traditional "Jesus was fully god yet fully man" interpretation of Paul. Much later though. Paul got his idea of Jesus as a human to divine status in heaven with God, but with a “risen” body, from other biblical heroes like Enoch given the same status, so Paul was not teaching blasphemy per se. Humans being assumed into Heaven had plausible precedence in their belief system. The other general messianic expectations that the messiah would go divine was unique it seems to him. Paul, like Jesus, believes in the coming apocalypse where the Messiah as king and warrior will usher in God’s Kingdom. Any Jew not prepared could miss out on the kingdom. According to messianic eschatology, the earth will open and the Children of Israel will bodily “arise” from their long dead graves to rule a New Earth. As Paul understands it according to his study of the Scriptures, which was probably from a Greek translation, Jesus is the first of risen children of Israel. He is the sure sign and just like he had preached, he’s coming back soon. The idea that Jesus was more a man began with Jesus’ own preaching, but he didn’t call himself a divine God or son of one, but he is special man like the heroes of Scripture come to do God’s work on earth to the end history the creation story had began. When Jesus didn’t return after his and the first Jewish disciples died out leaving the gentiles with the narratives, Jesus escalated into a standard cult god, though a very exclusive and pushy one.
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 22, 2022 22:19:47 GMT
Would that cancel my Church of England baptism? Finding out God doesn’t exist. It’s like you’ve been buying fake lottery tickets being printed in the back of the store this whole time.
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 22, 2022 22:28:39 GMT
Would that cancel my Church of England baptism? Finding out God doesn’t exist. It’s like you’ve been buying fake lottery tickets being printed in the back of the store this whole time. It might be my Get Out Of Hell card.
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 22, 2022 23:20:24 GMT
Finding out God doesn’t exist. It’s like you’ve been buying fake lottery tickets being printed in the back of the store this whole time. It might be my Get Out Of Hell card. There are two different versions of baptism in Christianity, the sacramental and believer’s. A believer’s baptism administered after a person acknowledges Jesus as Lord and Savior, and probably the original form, can be invalidated if the believer then renounces or a traitor to Jesus. Yours is a sacramental baptism with a ritual efficacy directly from God not dependent upon what you personally believe.
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