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Post by theravenking on Dec 23, 2022 13:04:32 GMT
In the scene in Die Hard (1988), when McClane and Hans meet for the first time with Hans pretending to be one of the hostages, how does McClane know that Hans is not who he claims to be?
I'm asking, because I just rewatched the movie with some friends and this point came up without any of us finding a definitive solution. Previously this has never been an issue for me, since I just assumed, that as a cop, McClane would know how to read people, and Hans might've just given out a wrong vibe of sorts. Alan Rickman has also said, that he deliberately held the cigarette the way an European would (although I doubt John would've noticed that). Or does it have to do with the names on the board? Hans gives his name as Bill Clay, and you can see that there's a William Clay listed on the board, was this a clue that he was lying?
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Post by Pike on Dec 24, 2022 1:26:59 GMT
I think MCClane gave him an unloaded gun just as a final test. Until then he wasn't sure.
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Post by MCDemuth on Dec 24, 2022 1:52:29 GMT
Hans gives his name as Bill Clay, and you can see that there's a William Clay listed on the board, was this a clue that he was lying?
Bill is a common nickname for William, and many people use Nicknames in everyday usage, while they may use their full name for professional use... In other words... While he may have used the name William on the sign, that didn't mean that saying his name was Bill around co workers was wrong... Even if it were wrong, for how William Clay would have introduced himself to John... How would Hans know if John met Mr Clay or not? Perhaps there was something in the original script, or a deleted scene?... However, it's still unlikely that John would have picked up on that, or that Hans would have known to use the name of that person when talking to John... I think it was just a coincidence that John gave an unloaded weapon to "Mr. Clay"... and there was some other reason for it. |
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Post by Vegas on Dec 24, 2022 21:02:30 GMT
If I remember correctly..
He knew.
He noticed that Hans was smoking a German brand cigarette.
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Post by MCDemuth on Dec 25, 2022 3:16:42 GMT
If I remember correctly.. He knew. He noticed that Hans was smoking a German brand cigarette. He never saw Hans face until they encountered each other on the roof. |
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Post by Vegas on Dec 25, 2022 7:24:30 GMT
If I remember correctly.. He knew. He noticed that Hans was smoking a German brand cigarette. Whenever it was when they first met and Hans pretended to be a hostage. |
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Dec 26, 2022 0:16:15 GMT
If I remember correctly.. He knew. He noticed that Hans was smoking a German brand cigarette. McLane gave him the cigarette, which he stole from a henchman. |
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Post by Vegas on Dec 26, 2022 0:18:14 GMT
McLane gave him the cigarette, which he stole from a henchman. Well... Shit. I gotta rewatch that movie... Was he wearing a German watch? I seem to remember something tipped him off on that first encounter. |
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Dec 26, 2022 0:45:19 GMT
McLane gave him the cigarette, which he stole from a henchman. Well... Shit. I gotta rewatch that movie... Was he wearing a German watch? I seem to remember something tipped him off on that first encounter. I think Pike got it right. The unloaded gun was a test to make sure if he's a good guy. Gruber obiviously failed that test lol. |
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Post by MCDemuth on Dec 26, 2022 1:03:57 GMT
I don't see anything obvious that should make McClaine suspicious of "this guy"...
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 26, 2022 3:06:09 GMT
It was done in a way so that we don't know if McClane knew or not--thus the fact that he gave him an unloaded gun showed he didn't trust him from the get go.
Did Hans know there was a W Clay on the list of people or did he just take a wild guess? That is what I wonder.
I am guessing he must have remembered some name.
Another question.
Is paintball still popular?
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Post by politicidal on Dec 27, 2022 17:14:53 GMT
Found this on reddit:
"...The director said it's because all the terrorists were wearing the same watch, but they had to cut the scenes that made that make sense because of a last minute ending change (they added escaping in an ambulance to the end, which caused continuity errors with the vehicle they arrived in, which is where they synchronized watches)."
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Post by SciFive on Feb 16, 2023 23:10:04 GMT
I think it was that McClane handed him a foreign cigarette package and Gruber wasn’t surprised.
He took it like it was normal although he was supposed to be American.
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