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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 14:10:01 GMT
Lineker reckons Gareth Bale is in the top 10 Brits of all time easily.
But who is the best?
For me, the most talented at least, is George Best. Never actually seen him play a full 90 minutes, and granted his career was more or less over in the big time by the time he was 26, but you only have to watch him gracefully riding those tackles on youtube for 5 minutes while the likes of Norman 'Bite your Legs' Hunter and Chopper Harris are trying to commit GBH on him to know this guy has a talent that I don't think has been matched either before or since (in our game anyway).
But he did waste his career a bit, so other people might have a different criteria on who is the greatest.
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Post by sdm3 on Jun 1, 2017 14:10:57 GMT
Best is best. The answer was clear the second you stipulated "or Irish."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 14:15:31 GMT
Best is best. The answer was clear the second you stipulated "or Irish."   Well if it becomes a landslide we can always restrict it to British players. That becomes a bit more tricky. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 1, 2017 16:58:18 GMT
Not Best.
Maybe Jimmy Greaves.
Or Bobby Charlton.
Or Bobby Moore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 17:26:40 GMT
Bryan Robson at his absolute peak was a truly amazing player. Sadly, that peak lasted about six months due to repeated injury.
Gazza of course but he also wasted what he had.
Hoddle also couldn't quite sustain it.
Surely John Charles should get a mention.
And as much as it pains me to say, I think Ashley Cole was probably the greatest England player of the last 20 years.
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Post by MrFurious on Jun 1, 2017 17:41:43 GMT
Not Best. He boozed and wasted away his career, he could have achieved so much more. I'll go for Kenny Dalglish
Really though, probably Bobby Charlton. Survived a disaster, won the WC and EC, scored loadsa goals and is a true gent
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 23:33:47 GMT
Is Beckham in the conversation?
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Post by sdm3 on Jun 1, 2017 23:39:19 GMT
Is Beckham in the conversation? No. |
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Post by hamsterman11 on Jun 1, 2017 23:41:17 GMT
Sam Trickett.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 1, 2017 23:49:02 GMT
Is Beckham in the conversation? Emphatically not! Not even top 50. |
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Post by sdm3 on Jun 1, 2017 23:49:18 GMT
To elaborate a little on Beckham - he won a lot of trophies on excellent teams but was always one of the key figures of the "golden generation" of an England national team that consistently squandered their potential on the international stage. To be fair, he was usually among the hardest workers on those teams but he also became more of a celebrity than footballer. Playing for the LA Galaxy for so many years hurts his legacy - anytime a player goes to such an inferior league for money and to service their family's celebrity lifestyle tarnished their career. He'll certainly be recalled as one of England's most famous players but more for his status as a cultural icon. His crossing ability and skill at set-pieces will be fondly remembered but he's not on a list of Britain's best players ever for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 0:06:27 GMT
Is Beckham in the conversation? Most people are gonna say no, they'll say he is overrated, they'll say his fame doesn't match his talent, and they are right to a certain extent.. But you know what, a lot of people also underestimate how good he was, a lot of people underestimate how difficult it is to whip in a cross with pace with a defender right by you, or pick out a 50 yard pass under pressure with pace and pin point accuracy. Sure most people who play recreationally can float a ball in the general direction of the striker from 40-50 yards away under no pressure, but what is the striker supposed to do with a ball like that? Not much most the time. For my money, he was consistently England's best player for 5-6 years, not a lot of other players in England's history you can really say that about. You only need to look at what happened when Steve McLaren, in his infinite wisdom, decided to drop him, the goals dried up and we shockingly failed to qualify for the Euros. Same thing happened for a year or two when Man United sold him. He'd make it into my England XI, and he'd minimum at least make it onto the bench for an all British team IMO. |
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Post by sdm3 on Jun 2, 2017 1:36:00 GMT
I thought we were talking about the Greatest Brit of All Time, not players who might warm the bench of an all-time squad?
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 2, 2017 11:50:41 GMT
Sir Stanley Matthews ?
A British friend of mine would go with Peter Shilton, but he's weird.
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Post by dougb on Jun 2, 2017 12:47:37 GMT
For me, It's Dennis Law. Then controversially Matt Le Tissier, for what he almost single handedly did for one club. greatest i saw live a lot was George Armstrong at Arsenal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 16:15:31 GMT
Sir Stanley Matthews ? A British friend of mine would go with Peter Shilton, but he's weird. Admittedly, I only caught the tail end of Shilton's career, but he was absolutely fucking useless. Almost every goal England conceded, he was somehow at fault. Never got near a penalty in the semi-final WC shootout against Germany either, he was also at fault for Germany's only goal. We may as well have had an empty net for the Germans to shoot into. And don't get me started about him being beaten in the air by a 5ft4 Argentinian called Maradona. Even watching the archives from his heyday, crucial WC qualifier against Poland in 1973, he let the ball slip under his body for them to score and England to crash out. No, the guy should have been hounded out the country there and then. Hands down, HANDS DOWN the worst England player of all time. 125 caps... deary me! He must have had some blackmail file on the England managers. |
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Post by WullieFort on Jun 2, 2017 16:25:14 GMT
Kenny Dalglish
Gazza
Bale (better than Best. Faster stronger. Brilliant in the air)
Moore
Baxter (of Rangers)
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jun 2, 2017 17:17:55 GMT
Is Beckham in the conversation? Most people are gonna say no, they'll say he is overrated, they'll say his fame doesn't match his talent, and they are right to a certain extent.. But you know what, a lot of people also underestimate how good he was, a lot of people underestimate how difficult it is to whip in a cross with pace with a defender right by you, or pick out a 50 yard pass under pressure with pace and pin point accuracy. Sure most people who play recreationally can float a ball in the general direction of the striker from 40-50 yards away under no pressure, but what is the striker supposed to do with a ball like that? Not much most the time. For my money, he was consistently England's best player for 5-6 years, not a lot of other players in England's history you can really say that about. You only need to look at what happened when Steve McLaren, in his infinite wisdom, decided to drop him, the goals dried up and we shockingly failed to qualify for the Euros. Same thing happened for a year or two when Man United sold him. He'd make it into my England XI, and he'd minimum at least make it onto the bench for an all British team IMO. That is pretty much what I think about Beckham. I would never claim to be particularly knowledgeable about English club football, but at the time Beckham was with Manchester United I watched highlights of the Premier League regularly and he was often in the thick of the action scoring goals or creating scoring opportunities for his teammates. |
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 3, 2017 0:55:16 GMT
Sir Stanley Matthews ? A British friend of mine would go with Peter Shilton, but he's weird. Admittedly, I only caught the tail end of Shilton's career, but he was absolutely fucking useless. Almost every goal England conceded, he was somehow at fault. Never got near a penalty in the semi-final WC shootout against Germany either, he was also at fault for Germany's only goal. We may as well have had an empty net for the Germans to shoot into. And don't get me started about him being beaten in the air by a 5ft4 Argentinian called Maradona. Even watching the archives from his heyday, crucial WC qualifier against Poland in 1973, he let the ball slip under his body for them to score and England to crash out. No, the guy should have been hounded out the country there and then. Hands down, HANDS DOWN the worst England player of all time. 125 caps... deary me! He must have had some blackmail file on the England managers. Like I said - he's weird. If I were to name a keeper, Banks would be #1. |
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