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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 8, 2023 7:18:12 GMT
So why does Putin get a free ride, they both invaded sovereign nations with no warning Dr. Marshall covers that in the video. I don't have sympathies for Putin, but I don't have sympathies for Zelensky and his corrupt regime either.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 8, 2023 10:40:34 GMT
So why does Putin get a free ride, they both invaded sovereign nations with no warning Dr. Marshall covers that in the video. I don't have sympathies for Putin, but I don't have sympathies for Zelensky and his corrupt regime either. What if Dr Marshall is wrong?
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 8, 2023 12:38:42 GMT
I think a good analogy in all this is the Iraq War. Those who criticised Blair and Bush for the invasion generally didn't try to defend Saddam. Similarly I think you can condemn Putin and the invasion without trying to paint Zelenskyy as some sort of hero.
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Post by strawdawg on Jan 8, 2023 12:53:24 GMT
Zelensky has been very fortunate so far. Being an opportunist, he's playing the world for all he can.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 8, 2023 14:57:22 GMT
Dr. Marshall covers that in the video. I don't have sympathies for Putin, but I don't have sympathies for Zelensky and his corrupt regime either. What if Dr Marshall is wrong? If he's wrong then I'm wrong too, because he only said what has been my position all along.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 8, 2023 14:59:25 GMT
I think a good analogy in all this is the Iraq War. Those who criticised Blair and Bush for the invasion generally didn't try to defend Saddam. Similarly I think you can condemn Putin and the invasion without trying to paint Zelenskyy as some sort of hero. Sure. It's also possible to condemn the invasion while staying out of the conflict.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 15:04:48 GMT
Dr. Taylor Marshall hits the nail on the head with this video. By making this post, are you obsessed?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 8, 2023 15:15:57 GMT
Dr. Taylor Marshall hits the nail on the head with this video. By making this post, are you obsessed? No. I have made many, many posts about topics which I am not obsessed over. Not everything is Nibiru, but it can still be worthy of a post.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2023 19:05:03 GMT
So why does Putin get a free ride, they both invaded sovereign nations with no warning Dr. Marshall covers that in the video. I don't have sympathies for Putin, but I don't have sympathies for Zelensky and his corrupt regime either. Are you able to summarise it?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2023 19:08:05 GMT
Dr. Marshall covers that in the video. I don't have sympathies for Putin, but I don't have sympathies for Zelensky and his corrupt regime either. Are you able to summarise it? I thought I summarized it adequately when I wrote this:
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2023 19:09:42 GMT
Are you able to summarise it? I thought I summarized it adequately when I wrote this: You summarised your stance sure, I think it's pretty clear I am asking what informs your stance.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2023 19:24:42 GMT
I thought I summarized it adequately when I wrote this: You summarised your stance sure, I think it's pretty clear I am asking what informs your stance. It isn't our business. Zelensky is a punk. Ukraine is a joke. That's what informs my stance. If Ukraine can't defend itself with everything that is being sent there, that's too bad.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2023 19:27:16 GMT
You summarised your stance sure, I think it's pretty clear I am asking what informs your stance. It isn't our business. Zelensky is a punk. Ukraine is a joke. That's what informs my stance. If Ukraine can't defend itself with everything that is being sent there, that's too bad. What have you based that opinion on? Just to be clear I am not saying your opinion is wrong, I want to know what rationale you have for making those statements, perhaps there is something I have overlooked. Can you please summarise in your own words why you think the Ukraine is a joke and Zelensky is a punk?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2023 19:30:04 GMT
It isn't our business. Zelensky is a punk. Ukraine is a joke. That's what informs my stance. If Ukraine can't defend itself with everything that is being sent there, that's too bad. What have you based that opinion on? Just to be clear I am not saying your opinion is wrong, I want to know what rationale you have for making those statements, perhaps there is something I have overlooked. Can you please summarise in your own words why you think the Ukraine is a joke and Zelensky is a punk? Why would you be interested? Instead, why don't you tell me what Zelensky and Ukraine mean to you, and why they are worth saving. Maybe I missed something.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2023 19:35:48 GMT
What have you based that opinion on? Just to be clear I am not saying your opinion is wrong, I want to know what rationale you have for making those statements, perhaps there is something I have overlooked. Can you please summarise in your own words why you think the Ukraine is a joke and Zelensky is a punk? Why would you be interested? Instead, why don't you tell me what Zelensky and Ukraine mean to you, and why they are worth saving. Maybe I missed something. Why would I not be interested, it is the greatest land war in Europe since WW2. Hold on are you asking me to justify saving a nation that was attacked without provocation?
You see the reason I am asking is that you are holding a stance that I do not have enough information to process, so I asked you for more information, why are you reticent to talk about it, you have already proclaimed your stance, what harm can come from talking about why you hold that stance?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2023 19:48:32 GMT
Why would you be interested? Instead, why don't you tell me what Zelensky and Ukraine mean to you, and why they are worth saving. Maybe I missed something. Why would I not be interested, it is the greatest land war in Europe since WW2. Hold on are you asking me to justify saving a nation that was attacked without provocation?
You see the reason I am asking is that you are holding a stance that I do not have enough information to process, so I asked you for more information, why are you reticent to talk about it, you have already proclaimed your stance, what harm can come from talking about why you hold that stance? Yes, if you think I should care, you justify it. I am in control of what I care about and what I don't. I don't see sissy-boy Zelensky or his corrupt country as important. If you think they are important and worth defending, you convince me. That's how it works.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 9, 2023 19:58:02 GMT
Why would I not be interested, it is the greatest land war in Europe since WW2. Hold on are you asking me to justify saving a nation that was attacked without provocation?
You see the reason I am asking is that you are holding a stance that I do not have enough information to process, so I asked you for more information, why are you reticent to talk about it, you have already proclaimed your stance, what harm can come from talking about why you hold that stance? Yes, if you think I should care, you justify it. I am in control of what I care about and what I don't. I don't see sissy-boy Zelensky or his corrupt country as important. If you think they are important and worth defending, you convince me. That's how it works. I am not trying to convince you at all, I was genuinely interested in how YOU came to YOUR stance. Not 100% sure why you would start a thread on a topic and then be reticent to discuss it.
Anyhow I can see I am getting nowhere here.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 9, 2023 20:03:13 GMT
Yes, if you think I should care, you justify it. I am in control of what I care about and what I don't. I don't see sissy-boy Zelensky or his corrupt country as important. If you think they are important and worth defending, you convince me. That's how it works. I am not trying to convince you at all, I was genuinely interested in how YOU came to YOUR stance. Not 100% sure why you would start a thread on a topic and then be reticent to discuss it.
Anyhow I can see I am getting nowhere here.
Then I suggest you start explaining why I should care about Zelensky or regard his regime as worthy of the attention it has been getting. I don't need to provide reasons why I think he's nothing. You need to provide reasons why you think he's something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 0:39:52 GMT
You summarised your stance sure, I think it's pretty clear I am asking what informs your stance. It isn't our business. Zelensky is a punk. Ukraine is a joke. That's what informs my stance. If Ukraine can't defend itself with everything that is being sent there, that's too bad. I think the defending of Ukraine is a remnant of the Cold War - a political thing. I think what is revealing is not how the country is able to hold Russia off (with help), but how weak Russia is. A few decades ago, the USSR would have made this a won war within a week. The world supporting Ukraine must piss Russia off to no end. Ukraine seems to be a pawn in the fight against Russia.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 10, 2023 0:52:50 GMT
It isn't our business. Zelensky is a punk. Ukraine is a joke. That's what informs my stance. If Ukraine can't defend itself with everything that is being sent there, that's too bad. I think the defending of Ukraine is a remnant of the Cold War - a political thing. I think what is revealing is not how the country is able to hold Russia off (with help), but how weak Russia is. A few decades ago, the USSR would have made this a won war within a week. The world supporting Ukraine must piss Russia off to no end. Ukraine seems to be a pawn in the fight against Russia. It certainly does seem that way.
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