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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 10, 2023 1:24:30 GMT
I am not trying to convince you at all, I was genuinely interested in how YOU came to YOUR stance. Not 100% sure why you would start a thread on a topic and then be reticent to discuss it.
Anyhow I can see I am getting nowhere here.
Then I suggest you start explaining why I should care about Zelensky or regard his regime as worthy of the attention it has been getting. I don't need to provide reasons why I think he's nothing. You need to provide reasons why you think he's something. What does Edgar Cayce say about it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 10, 2023 1:32:59 GMT
Then I suggest you start explaining why I should care about Zelensky or regard his regime as worthy of the attention it has been getting. I don't need to provide reasons why I think he's nothing. You need to provide reasons why you think he's something. What does Edgar Cayce say about it. IIRC, he said that Russia was the key to world peace. Why Russia? I don't know. Maybe because God likes Russia.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 10, 2023 1:43:45 GMT
What does Edgar Cayce say about it. IIRC, he said that Russia was the key to world peace. Why Russia? I don't know. Maybe because God likes Russia. And how’s that worked out so far? And why do you think God loves Russia in particular?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 10, 2023 1:49:45 GMT
IIRC, he said that Russia was the key to world peace. Why Russia? I don't know. Maybe because God likes Russia. And how’s that worked out so far? Obviously, it hasn't worked at all so far. So why did you ask? I didn't say I think that. I said maybe. Maybe it ties in with the Fatima Prophecy, in which Russia is mentioned prominently.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 3:23:01 GMT
I think the defending of Ukraine is a remnant of the Cold War - a political thing. I think what is revealing is not how the country is able to hold Russia off (with help), but how weak Russia is. A few decades ago, the USSR would have made this a won war within a week. The world supporting Ukraine must piss Russia off to no end. Ukraine seems to be a pawn in the fight against Russia. It certainly does seem that way. The best part of this is not taking a side and think of this as watching two drunk people in a bar at closing time beating the crap out of each other. Getting emotionally involved towards one side is a waste.
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 10, 2023 13:14:12 GMT
Dr. Marshall covers that in the video. I don't have sympathies for Putin, but I don't have sympathies for Zelensky and his corrupt regime either. Are you able to summarise it? I watched the video. Marshall's argument is that Zelenskyy has features that American conservatives generally criticise: he's corrupt, he's a secularist and he's pro-LGBTQ. However, most conservatives (in Marshall's opinion anyway) are supportive of Zelenskyy which he finds odd. He says that any criticism of Zelenskyy is taken as being pro-Putin but he objects to this, pointing out that although Hitler invaded the USSR, this is not taken as meaning that any criticism of Stalin is pro-Hitler.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 10, 2023 15:29:54 GMT
Are you able to summarise it? I watched the video. Marshall's argument is that Zelenskyy has features that American conservatives generally criticise: he's corrupt, he's a secularist and he's pro-LGBTQ. However, most conservatives (in Marshall's opinion anyway) are supportive of Zelenskyy which he finds odd. He says that any criticism of Zelenskyy is taken as being pro-Putin but he objects to this, pointing out that although Hitler invaded the USSR, this is not taken as meaning that any criticism of Stalin is pro-Hitler. Isn't it the strong Trump supporters that make up those "conservatives" who are criticizing Zelenskyy? Zelenskyy wouldn't go along with Trump's plan for him to falsely announce that Ukraine was investigating Biden. That refusal put Zelenskyy in the doghouse with Trump supporters. And Trump's notorious fawning over Putin lends credence to the idea that Zelenskyy's critics do indeed lean in Putin's favor.
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 10, 2023 16:18:32 GMT
I watched the video. Marshall's argument is that Zelenskyy has features that American conservatives generally criticise: he's corrupt, he's a secularist and he's pro-LGBTQ. However, most conservatives (in Marshall's opinion anyway) are supportive of Zelenskyy which he finds odd. He says that any criticism of Zelenskyy is taken as being pro-Putin but he objects to this, pointing out that although Hitler invaded the USSR, this is not taken as meaning that any criticism of Stalin is pro-Hitler. Isn't it the strong Trump supporters that make up those "conservatives" who are criticizing Zelenskyy? Zelenskyy wouldn't go along with Trump's plan for him to falsely announce that Ukraine was investigating Biden. That refusal put Zelenskyy in the doghouse with Trump supporters. And Trump's notorious fawning over Putin lends credence to the idea that Zelenskyy's critics do indeed lean in Putin's favor. Yeah I wouldn't have much time for this guy and, if he supports Trump, he sure is a hell of a hypocrite for criticising Zelenskyy for corruption! Still, there is a logic in what he says that criticising a political figure doesn't necessarily mean you support their enemies.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 10, 2023 17:05:59 GMT
Isn't it the strong Trump supporters that make up those "conservatives" who are criticizing Zelenskyy? Zelenskyy wouldn't go along with Trump's plan for him to falsely announce that Ukraine was investigating Biden. That refusal put Zelenskyy in the doghouse with Trump supporters. And Trump's notorious fawning over Putin lends credence to the idea that Zelenskyy's critics do indeed lean in Putin's favor. Yeah I wouldn't have much time for this guy and, if he supports Trump, he sure is a hell of a hypocrite for criticising Zelenskyy for corruption! Still, there is a logic in what he says that criticising a political figure doesn't necessarily mean you support their enemies.There is indeed logic to that as a general proposition. But in this particular case I suspect that without Trump's prior boosting of Putin, Zelenskyy wouldn't be receiving this level of criticism.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 10, 2023 19:03:33 GMT
Are you able to summarise it? I watched the video. Marshall's argument is that Zelenskyy has features that American conservatives generally criticise: he's corrupt, he's a secularist and he's pro-LGBTQ. However, most conservatives (in Marshall's opinion anyway) are supportive of Zelenskyy which he finds odd. He says that any criticism of Zelenskyy is taken as being pro-Putin but he objects to this, pointing out that although Hitler invaded the USSR, this is not taken as meaning that any criticism of Stalin is pro-Hitler. I feel like that would not have been to difficult for Erjen to say. How corrupt? Like I can see some vague speculation online, mostly it seems to be association rather than deed. No one reasonable cares about the secualr or LGBT stuff
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 10, 2023 19:38:38 GMT
gadreel I need not list reasons why I don't think Ukraine is worth saving, so that you can hair-split them. If you think it is worth saving, feel free to list your reasons. I doubt you're going to impress me, but who knows? With Kuwait in 1990 and most of the world's oil coming out of the Persian Gulf, it was much more understandable than this latest "crisis."
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Post by gadreel on Jan 10, 2023 19:40:43 GMT
gadreel I need not list reasons why I don't think Ukraine is worth saving, so that you can hair-split them. If you think it is worth saving, feel free to list your reasons. I doubt you're going to impress me, but who knows? With Kuwait in 1990 and most of the world's oil coming out of the Persian Gulf, it was much more understandable than this latest "crisis." It's astounding the lengths you will go to to have a conversation then avoid actually engaging in that conversation. If only you could find work as an empty shell eh?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 10, 2023 19:54:12 GMT
gadreel I need not list reasons why I don't think Ukraine is worth saving, so that you can hair-split them. If you think it is worth saving, feel free to list your reasons. I doubt you're going to impress me, but who knows? With Kuwait in 1990 and most of the world's oil coming out of the Persian Gulf, it was much more understandable than this latest "crisis." It's astounding the lengths you will go to to have a conversation then avoid actually engaging in that conversation. If only you could find work as an empty shell eh? I'm listening. Now you tell me why I or anyone else should give a damn about Zelensky and Ukraine.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 10, 2023 20:00:53 GMT
It's astounding the lengths you will go to to have a conversation then avoid actually engaging in that conversation. If only you could find work as an empty shell eh? I'm listening. Now you tell me why I or anyone else should give a damn about Zelensky and Ukraine. Oh my god.
Have fun Erjen, I will keep an eye out for jobs as a professional troll for you.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 10, 2023 20:03:44 GMT
I'm listening. Now you tell me why I or anyone else should give a damn about Zelensky and Ukraine. Oh my god.
Have fun Erjen, I will keep an eye out for jobs as a professional troll for you.
I've seen you and your kind do it many times. You demand an answer to the question "Why not" while refusing to answer the question "Why?"
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 10, 2023 20:08:13 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 10, 2023 20:14:29 GMT
When gadreel says no one reasonable cares about the secular or LGBT stuff, he means no one who's solidly pro-gay.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 10, 2023 20:15:51 GMT
Yeah America scares rational humans
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Post by gadreel on Jan 10, 2023 20:17:44 GMT
When gadreel says no one reasonable cares about the secular or LGBT stuff, he means no one who's solidly pro-gay. No he means no one who is not a retarded bigot. You are excused.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 10, 2023 20:20:26 GMT
When gadreel says no one reasonable cares about the secular or LGBT stuff, he means no one who's solidly pro-gay. No he means no one who is not a retarded bigot. You are excused. You're excusing me from talking to you on a thread I started? Why, of all the nerve!
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