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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 12, 2023 3:50:59 GMT
Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in the Rapture. Neither do 99% of Christians. 99%? Are you sure? From the amount of talk they do about it, I thought the number of Rapture Clowns would add up to higher than 1% |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 12, 2023 3:53:00 GMT
He knows that. This is how he mocks them all while apparently going after the JWs. Well, God is very mean, spiteful, and inhumane sometimes. I guess that’s his big attraction for some folks. You guess wrong, and not for the first time either, and probably not the last. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 12, 2023 3:54:21 GMT
Neither do 99% of Christians. 99%? Are you sure? From the amount of talk they do about it, I thought the number of Rapture Clowns would add up to higher than 1% Unofficially, who knows. There are Catholics who believe in the Rapture, though the theory is considered blasphemy by the Church. None mainstream of the Protestant churches believe it. It wasn’t even a thing among Evangelicals until recently. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 12, 2023 3:57:37 GMT
99%? Are you sure? From the amount of talk they do about it, I thought the number of Rapture Clowns would add up to higher than 1% Unofficially, who knows. There are Catholics who believe in the Rapture, though the theory is considered blasphemy by the Church. None mainstream of the Protestant churches believe it. It wasn’t even a thing among Evangelicals until recently. The Pentecostals believe in it, and they're pretty numerous. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 12, 2023 4:13:24 GMT
Unofficially, who knows. There are Catholics who believe in the Rapture, though the theory is considered blasphemy by the Church. None mainstream of the Protestant churches believe it. It wasn’t even a thing among Evangelicals until recently. The Pentecostals believe in it, and they're pretty numerous. In the US mostly, and it really depends on which Bible college or seminary the pastor was trained to which version of millennialism preached. The Left Behind series of books increased the Rapture’s popularity among fundamentalists. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 12, 2023 10:38:28 GMT
The Pentecostals believe in it, and they're pretty numerous. In the US mostly, and it really depends on which Bible college or seminary the pastor was trained to which version of millennialism preached. The Left Behind series of books increased the Rapture’s popularity among fundamentalists. Yes, I remember that. I also remember first hearing the word spoken by Hal Lindsey in a commercial for one of his books in the 1970's. After years of hearing the Rapture talked about as if it were promised in the Bible, I finally looked for myself, and it wasn't there. It would be nice, but it just isn't promised. Also not there were a physical Third Temple in Jerusalem, a 7-year Tribulation, or a prophecy that Israel would come back as a nation someday. I find it difficult to believe that 36% of Protestant pastors would believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture without teaching it. I also find it difficult to believe that all the times I've heard it was coming from a measly 1% of the Christian population.  |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 12, 2023 11:45:48 GMT
In the US mostly, and it really depends on which Bible college or seminary the pastor was trained to which version of millennialism preached. The Left Behind series of books increased the Rapture’s popularity among fundamentalists. Yes, I remember that. I also remember first hearing the word spoken by Hal Lindsey in a commercial for one of his books in the 1970's. After years of hearing the Rapture talked about as if it were promised in the Bible, I finally looked for myself, and it wasn't there. It would be nice, but it just isn't promised. Also not there were a physical Third Temple in Jerusalem, a 7-year Tribulation, or a prophecy that Israel would come back as a nation someday. I find it difficult to believe that 36% of Protestant pastors would believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture without teaching it. I also find it difficult to believe that all the times I've heard it was coming from a measly 1% of the Christian population. That’s a rhetorically exaggerated statistic, this is causal conversation, not an academic debate. What I’m saying is belief in the Rapture is exclusive to a small subset of Christianity. That it’s popularity has grown in recent decades means it is more than 1% certainly today, but go back 200 years ago and no one heard of the Rapture, even the ones caught up in End Times eschatology. The above chart shows how much disagreement there is when this event is supposed to happen. Also, Jesus never said anything about a Rapture happening, the eschatology is based upon one sentence Paul wrote how he imagined Jesus’ return would be like and not necessarily writing literally. Paul didn’t make prophecy, he thought Jesus would return before he himself died. The Rapture preaching mission churches active Africa and South America are spreading this version of Christianity beyond the USA. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 12, 2023 12:03:39 GMT
Yes, I remember that. I also remember first hearing the word spoken by Hal Lindsey in a commercial for one of his books in the 1970's. After years of hearing the Rapture talked about as if it were promised in the Bible, I finally looked for myself, and it wasn't there. It would be nice, but it just isn't promised. Also not there were a physical Third Temple in Jerusalem, a 7-year Tribulation, or a prophecy that Israel would come back as a nation someday. I find it difficult to believe that 36% of Protestant pastors would believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture without teaching it. I also find it difficult to believe that all the times I've heard it was coming from a measly 1% of the Christian population. That’s a rhetorically exaggerated statistic, this is causal conversation, not an academic debate. What I’m saying is belief in the Rapture is exclusive to a small subset of Christianity. That it’s popularity has grown in recent decades means it is more than 1% certainly today, but go back 200 years ago and no one heard of the Rapture, even the ones caught up in End Times eschatology. The above chart shows how much disagreement there is when this event is supposed to happen. Yes, I know. It's a false doctrine that started being taught shortly after the Napoleonic Wars were over. There is possibly a reason why it began at that time, but I won't go into it now. I am of the opinion that it's less important how many Christians believe in the Rapture as it is how many people (be they Christian or not) think it's promised in the Christian Bible. I can't remember if I ever told you this or not, but I believe a Rapture-type event will happen, and it will be a hoax. The Illuminati has invested two hundred years in spreading the Rapture narrative, and the technology now exists to make it happen, so that the people "left behind" will think themselves abandoned and turn away from God. And I think it's going to work too, with the majority anyway. There will still be people who won't buy it though. I am one of them, but there will be millions of others worldwide, of every nation, language, and tribe. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 12, 2023 12:13:14 GMT
That’s a rhetorically exaggerated statistic, this is causal conversation, not an academic debate. What I’m saying is belief in the Rapture is exclusive to a small subset of Christianity. That it’s popularity has grown in recent decades means it is more than 1% certainly today, but go back 200 years ago and no one heard of the Rapture, even the ones caught up in End Times eschatology. The above chart shows how much disagreement there is when this event is supposed to happen. Yes, I know. It's a false doctrine that started being taught shortly after the Napoleonic Wars were over. There is possibly a reason why it began at that time, but I won't go into it now. I am of the opinion that it's less important how many Christians believe in the Rapture as it is how many people (be they Christian or not) think it's promised in the Christian Bible. I can't remember if I ever told you this or not, but I believe a Rapture-type event will happen, and it will be a hoax. The Illuminati has invested two hundred years in spreading the Rapture narrative, and the technology now exists to make it happen, so that the people "left behind" will think themselves abandoned and turn away from God. And I think it's going to work too, with the majority anyway. There will still be people who won't buy it though. I am one of them, but there will be millions of others worldwide, of every nation, language, and tribe. That Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead is part of the creed, but no one knows when it will be. All that the Christian needs to know is that the Kingdom will come. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 12, 2023 12:26:03 GMT
Yes, I know. It's a false doctrine that started being taught shortly after the Napoleonic Wars were over. There is possibly a reason why it began at that time, but I won't go into it now. I am of the opinion that it's less important how many Christians believe in the Rapture as it is how many people (be they Christian or not) think it's promised in the Christian Bible. I can't remember if I ever told you this or not, but I believe a Rapture-type event will happen, and it will be a hoax. The Illuminati has invested two hundred years in spreading the Rapture narrative, and the technology now exists to make it happen, so that the people "left behind" will think themselves abandoned and turn away from God. And I think it's going to work too, with the majority anyway. There will still be people who won't buy it though. I am one of them, but there will be millions of others worldwide, of every nation, language, and tribe. That Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead is part of the creed, but no one knows when it will be. All that the Christian needs to know is that the Kingdom will come. Amen. There are people who think it's not possible to predict the day or the hour, but they think they have it pinned down to the year. I have a friend who presented me with this scenario last year, this Timeline of Daniel thing, and I poked so many holes in it that it looked like the Swiss cheese. She's a good kid and she means well, but she has a tendency to latch onto things as "truth" without putting them to the test. They think they have Christ's return figured for 2028. I think I have my own death figured for 2036. Seems to me that one of these predictions coming true would automatically rule out the other one being true. Time will tell. |
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