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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 24, 2023 4:41:05 GMT
I don't think you read all of the first paragraph in my response sir, if not none of it. The Catwomen in the Batman '66 series were never referred to as Selina Kyle (it has been speculated for years all three are not even the same person), Catwoman being Selina Kyle wasn't mainstream knowledge back in the 1960's, and Selina Kyle being white, black, asian, or latin, etc. is not important to her character. What matters is she is a resident of Gotham City who was raised on the streets and grew up to be a cat burglar who walks the line between good and bad. Which is why I call your claim that nobody today is willing to accept a non-white Selina Kyle bunk - as I have seen plenty of people over the years fan cast the likes of Rosario Dawson, Eiza Gonalez, Logan Browning, Sofia Boutella, and Sonoya Mizuno as the character. Just the same, it doesn't really matter if Gordon isn't white in an adaptation, either, because his character is that he is a lawman in Gotham City who is an ally to the Caped Crusader. Evidently, most people thought Kravitz and Wright were good in their roles, so that really doesn't lift your argument any higher. An example of compare and contrast would be nice to assist your argument here. If it reads like fallacy, is argued like fallacy, it is a fallacy. You didn't establish that rules, how did you expect me to know? And those people who are fine with that are hypocrites because of other characters who get the "It's just SJW Propaganda!" thing leveled at them.
Resident Evil: Welcome to Raccoon City. The response to nonwhites being cast in that movie like Hannah John-Kamen.
It shows how even when Disney goes along with pragmatic changes, they still get criticized.
I was hoping you'd know that if they're secondaries trapped in the shadows of white male leads, it automatically disqualifies them.
It depends on the characters, their background, and their history. Characters like Catwoman, James Gordon, Wilson Fisk (The Kingpin), Aquaman, Hugo Strange, Nick Fury, and Perry White do not need to be portrayed as white in a story because their backgrounds are not tied to a very specific ethnicity that a race change completely goes against the lore. Now, if you were to portray Aang as black, white, latin, etc. but not asian it wouldn't work because the world of Nickelodeon's Avatar: The Last Airbender is populated with asian people. You shouldn't make Augustus Freeman / Icon as other than black because taking the form of an African American is part of his backstory. Okay, and the responses differed in what way(s)? If it reads like fallacy, is argued like fallacy, it is a fallacy. Or, you simply didn't explain yourself very well. You admitted to making the error of not specifying that they had to be leading characters.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 24, 2023 14:04:23 GMT
No, the amount who complained about Jen's very existence in the MCU were much higher than that. Much higher.
Shows how the double standards have become worse over the decades.
Sorry, they're gone by now.
It wasn't polarizing to anyone who understood the actual context of what Jen was saying and were just ready to hate Jen over anything she did or said.
Still shows how characters are getting the shaft before they even debut thanks to how intolerant the "fans" have become.
Still a minority compared to the population of the world, which makes up the entire consumer marketplace. I am disinterested in what other others make of a television series that I have no impression on in comparison with the She-Hulk series, as I was under the impression this was about my understanding and relation with the two programs. Without proof I cannot consider your argument to either have substance, be sound, or be valid. Again, nice fanfiction. You first argued that it was because Bruce Banner in the Marvel Cinematic Universe doesn't have it rough, now you're saying it is in relation to so-and-so. People understood the scene fine and walked away unsatisfied as a consumer. If you have to reach to alter perception of a polarizing sequence, it doesn't really show that the filmmakers were being very competent. So, anyone who dislikes the She-Hulk series must have personal issues? Interesting. What if they just didn't like the program because they thought the writing was bad, that it wasn't funny, and that they didn't think it complimented the Marvel Cinematic Universe very well? Not a minority, a lot of the complaining comments about Jen were acting like she was a new character and just "SJW Propaganda".
Just pointing out the double standards.
Well, they happened. The complaints about Bruce in her show are because they wanted him to be the star of the show.
No, they assumed she was talking about his entire existence. Jen clearly was talking about his Pre-Hulk life, and due to viewers being against her from day one they deliberately misinterpreted what she was saying. It's just like Black Widow saying she was a monster in AoU and people assumed she meant because she was sterile and not because she was a brainwashed assassin.
The deranged way they reacted indicates real personal issues they have in themselves.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 24, 2023 14:06:22 GMT
And those people who are fine with that are hypocrites because of other characters who get the "It's just SJW Propaganda!" thing leveled at them.
Resident Evil: Welcome to Raccoon City. The response to nonwhites being cast in that movie like Hannah John-Kamen.
It shows how even when Disney goes along with pragmatic changes, they still get criticized.
I was hoping you'd know that if they're secondaries trapped in the shadows of white male leads, it automatically disqualifies them.
It depends on the characters, their background, and their history. Characters like Catwoman, James Gordon, Wilson Fisk (The Kingpin), Aquaman, Hugo Strange, Nick Fury, and Perry White do not need to be portrayed as white in a story because their backgrounds are not tied to a very specific ethnicity that a race change completely goes against the lore. Now, if you were to portray Aang as black, white, latin, etc. but not asian it wouldn't work because the world of Nickelodeon's Avatar: The Last Airbender is populated with asian people. You shouldn't make Augustus Freeman / Icon as other than black because taking the form of an African American is part of his backstory. Okay, and the responses differed in what way(s)? If it reads like fallacy, is argued like fallacy, it is a fallacy. Or, you simply didn't explain yourself very well. You admitted to making the error of not specifying that they had to be leading characters. Which still makes those who complained when characters whose races weren't important got raceswapped...a bunch of hypocrites.
They ranted about how it was "SJW motivated" and the usual nonsense. Not that maybe she was a talented actress who deserved the part.
It simply shows how the crazy standards are now and how certain Studios can "Do no Right".
I should have, in this case.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 25, 2023 4:58:20 GMT
Still a minority compared to the population of the world, which makes up the entire consumer marketplace. I am disinterested in what other others make of a television series that I have no impression on in comparison with the She-Hulk series, as I was under the impression this was about my understanding and relation with the two programs. Without proof I cannot consider your argument to either have substance, be sound, or be valid. Again, nice fanfiction. You first argued that it was because Bruce Banner in the Marvel Cinematic Universe doesn't have it rough, now you're saying it is in relation to so-and-so. People understood the scene fine and walked away unsatisfied as a consumer. If you have to reach to alter perception of a polarizing sequence, it doesn't really show that the filmmakers were being very competent. So, anyone who dislikes the She-Hulk series must have personal issues? Interesting. What if they just didn't like the program because they thought the writing was bad, that it wasn't funny, and that they didn't think it complimented the Marvel Cinematic Universe very well? Not a minority, a lot of the complaining comments about Jen were acting like she was a new character and just "SJW Propaganda".
Just pointing out the double standards.
Well, they happened. The complaints about Bruce in her show are because they wanted him to be the star of the show.
No, they assumed she was talking about his entire existence. Jen clearly was talking about his Pre-Hulk life, and due to viewers being against her from day one they deliberately misinterpreted what she was saying. It's just like Black Widow saying she was a monster in AoU and people assumed she meant because she was sterile and not because she was a brainwashed assassin.
The deranged way they reacted indicates real personal issues they have in themselves.
Yes, a minority. Even if you saw 100 negative comments that were exactly as you describe that would still be a minority compared to the world population, who all qualify as consumers of the product. How can there be double standards when I haven't familiarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show and have made no attempt to justify its writing in comparison with She-Hulk? I will give you an A for effort for trying to further the debate, despite still being fallacy. No evidence presented only makes and others present question your credibility. Again, nice fanfiction, and my, you sure do love to compose a fallacy in a debate. If a person just didn't like the program because they thought the writing was bad, that it wasn't funny, and that they didn't think it complimented the Marvel Cinematic Universe very well does that mean they have real personal issues then?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 25, 2023 5:03:22 GMT
It depends on the characters, their background, and their history. Characters like Catwoman, James Gordon, Wilson Fisk (The Kingpin), Aquaman, Hugo Strange, Nick Fury, and Perry White do not need to be portrayed as white in a story because their backgrounds are not tied to a very specific ethnicity that a race change completely goes against the lore. Now, if you were to portray Aang as black, white, latin, etc. but not asian it wouldn't work because the world of Nickelodeon's Avatar: The Last Airbender is populated with asian people. You shouldn't make Augustus Freeman / Icon as other than black because taking the form of an African American is part of his backstory. Okay, and the responses differed in what way(s)? If it reads like fallacy, is argued like fallacy, it is a fallacy. Or, you simply didn't explain yourself very well. You admitted to making the error of not specifying that they had to be leading characters. Which still makes those who complained when characters whose races weren't important got raceswapped...a bunch of hypocrites.
They ranted about how it was "SJW motivated" and the usual nonsense. Not that maybe she was a talented actress who deserved the part.
It simply shows how the crazy standards are now and how certain Studios can "Do no Right".
I should have, in this case.
No, because as I stated some characters are not defined by their race and ethnic backgrounds, and some are. Not solid enough, please provide a screen capture of several complaints, and no comparison either with their co-stars. If it reads like fallacy, is argued like fallacy, it is a fallacy.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 25, 2023 13:51:58 GMT
Not a minority, a lot of the complaining comments about Jen were acting like she was a new character and just "SJW Propaganda".
Just pointing out the double standards.
Well, they happened. The complaints about Bruce in her show are because they wanted him to be the star of the show.
No, they assumed she was talking about his entire existence. Jen clearly was talking about his Pre-Hulk life, and due to viewers being against her from day one they deliberately misinterpreted what she was saying. It's just like Black Widow saying she was a monster in AoU and people assumed she meant because she was sterile and not because she was a brainwashed assassin.
The deranged way they reacted indicates real personal issues they have in themselves.
Yes, a minority. Even if you saw 100 negative comments that were exactly as you describe that would still be a minority compared to the world population, who all qualify as consumers of the product. How can there be double standards when I haven't familiarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show and have made no attempt to justify its writing in comparison with She-Hulk? I will give you an A for effort for trying to further the debate, despite still being fallacy. No evidence presented only makes and others present question your credibility. Again, nice fanfiction, and my, you sure do love to compose a fallacy in a debate. If a person just didn't like the program because they thought the writing was bad, that it wasn't funny, and that they didn't think it complimented the Marvel Cinematic Universe very well does that mean they have real personal issues then? Way more than 100 negative comments. Enough it led to big channels to post stuff like "She Hulk is fine, you crybabies should stop complaining." and bringing up stuff like how she isn't a new character because so many assumed she was.
If a famous show from back then could do what it did with no one still complaining now, then this reaction to She-Hulk shows the double standards and how we've devolved.
The negative response to Hulk's presence in the show says it all. They wanted him to be the MC.
Does Jen say "Nothing you went through as the Hulk mattered"? No, she was clearly talking about his pre-Hulk life.
The way they went about showing their dislike certainly indicates it, yes.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 25, 2023 13:56:11 GMT
Which still makes those who complained when characters whose races weren't important got raceswapped...a bunch of hypocrites.
They ranted about how it was "SJW motivated" and the usual nonsense. Not that maybe she was a talented actress who deserved the part.
It simply shows how the crazy standards are now and how certain Studios can "Do no Right".
I should have, in this case.
No, because as I stated some characters are not defined by their race and ethnic backgrounds, and some are. Not solid enough, please provide a screen capture of several complaints, and no comparison either with their co-stars. If it reads like fallacy, is argued like fallacy, it is a fallacy. And anytime those who aren't defined by their race get raceswapped, we get the same complaints. Hypocrisy.
It shows how a particular Studio can "do no right" in this day and age.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 25, 2023 22:04:44 GMT
Yes, a minority. Even if you saw 100 negative comments that were exactly as you describe that would still be a minority compared to the world population, who all qualify as consumers of the product. How can there be double standards when I haven't familiarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show and have made no attempt to justify its writing in comparison with She-Hulk? I will give you an A for effort for trying to further the debate, despite still being fallacy. No evidence presented only makes and others present question your credibility. Again, nice fanfiction, and my, you sure do love to compose a fallacy in a debate. If a person just didn't like the program because they thought the writing was bad, that it wasn't funny, and that they didn't think it complimented the Marvel Cinematic Universe very well does that mean they have real personal issues then? Way more than 100 negative comments. Enough it led to big channels to post stuff like "She Hulk is fine, you crybabies should stop complaining." and bringing up stuff like how she isn't a new character because so many assumed she was.
If a famous show from back then could do what it did with no one still complaining now, then this reaction to She-Hulk shows the double standards and how we've devolved.
The negative response to Hulk's presence in the show says it all. They wanted him to be the MC.
Does Jen say "Nothing you went through as the Hulk mattered"? No, she was clearly talking about his pre-Hulk life.
The way they went about showing their dislike certainly indicates it, yes.
My friend, you could have seen one billion negative comments and that would still be considered a minority compared to the eight billion consumers that occupy the world. Because of the internet, you may see a loud minority, but in the end it is still a minority. But as already stated, I do not have familiarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show so you argument about there being double standards means nothing to me because I have no solid memory of it but I still find the She-Hulk series to have not been a particularly good product. A minority. Most people knew it wasn't going to be a series about Bruce Banner. It certainly didn't sound like that was the case, hence the negative reaction towards it. Unless you are able to link to a statement by a producer or writer on the series that confirms exactly what you are saying then your argument is easy to write off as fanfiction. You are talking about everyone who did not approve of the series or just a selection of people who took issue with it? I did not like the series very much because I didn't find it entertaining, I thought it was very bland, I didn't think it did the character any justice, I didn't think it ever really found its footing, I thought the writing was pretty misandrist, and it didn't compliment the Marvel Cinematic Universe at all. I maintain that the eighth episode with Daredevil was the best of the whole season, had the series played out more like that I wouldn't have as much issue with the product on the whole.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 25, 2023 22:14:41 GMT
No, because as I stated some characters are not defined by their race and ethnic backgrounds, and some are. Not solid enough, please provide a screen capture of several complaints, and no comparison either with their co-stars. If it reads like fallacy, is argued like fallacy, it is a fallacy. And anytime those who aren't defined by their race get raceswapped, we get the same complaints. Hypocrisy.
It shows how a particular Studio can "do no right" in this day and age.
I don't know Resident Evil very well, but based on the video shared and the arguments put forth by the three people it sounds like the race of characters like Leon S.Kennedy, Allbert Wesker, and Jill Valentine have importance and they also express disappointed that the filmmakers made no attempt to have their on-screen portrayers even resemble the source material. They think the actors are fine, but feel if they are not going to put in the effort to make them appear like their game counterparts, they probably would be better off creating new characters that they could leave an impact on the property - not unlike Milla Jovovich's Alice who was introduced in the original set of movies. They also express that if the characters were not white from the start and made into such they would still have much issue with the source material alterations in the adaptation. Fallacy still going to be fallacy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 2:30:47 GMT
Comparing She Hulk to Seinfeld and The Mary Tyler Moore Show?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 26, 2023 2:33:15 GMT
Way more than 100 negative comments. Enough it led to big channels to post stuff like "She Hulk is fine, you crybabies should stop complaining." and bringing up stuff like how she isn't a new character because so many assumed she was.
If a famous show from back then could do what it did with no one still complaining now, then this reaction to She-Hulk shows the double standards and how we've devolved.
The negative response to Hulk's presence in the show says it all. They wanted him to be the MC.
Does Jen say "Nothing you went through as the Hulk mattered"? No, she was clearly talking about his pre-Hulk life.
The way they went about showing their dislike certainly indicates it, yes.
My friend, you could have seen one billion negative comments and that would still be considered a minority compared to the eight billion consumers that occupy the world. Because of the internet, you may see a loud minority, but in the end it is still a minority. But as already stated, I do not have familiarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show so you argument about there being double standards means nothing to me because I have no solid memory of it but I still find the She-Hulk series to have not been a particularly good product. A minority. Most people knew it wasn't going to be a series about Bruce Banner. It certainly didn't sound like that was the case, hence the negative reaction towards it. Unless you are able to link to a statement by a producer or writer on the series that confirms exactly what you are saying then your argument is easy to write off as fanfiction. You are talking about everyone who did not approve of the series or just a selection of people who took issue with it? I did not like the series very much because I didn't find it entertaining, I thought it was very bland, I didn't think it did the character any justice, I didn't think it ever really found its footing, I thought the writing was pretty misandrist, and it didn't compliment the Marvel Cinematic Universe at all. I maintain that the eighth episode with Daredevil was the best of the whole season, had the series played out more like that I wouldn't have as much issue with the product on the whole. It's a deranged enough response to get some eyebrows raised. This continues to show the negative backlash every single MCU Female has been getting if they don't start out as a secondary character constantly overshadowed by male leads.
And that shows how despite all the priors that came before it with little complaint, meaning things have somehow become more misogynistic since then.
Yes, and the show not really being about Bruce is what mad them angry to start with.
The negative reaction was because they were already ready to rip anything in the show apart. She never says "Nothing about your suffering after you transformed matters", meaning she was talking about his Pre-Hulk life. Why so many didn't realize this, I don't know.
So you'd have been fine if she spent the entire series being secondary to a white male lead. And yes, I'm talking about everyone who indulged in the deranged response She-Hulk got from certain folks.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 26, 2023 2:34:39 GMT
And anytime those who aren't defined by their race get raceswapped, we get the same complaints. Hypocrisy.
It shows how a particular Studio can "do no right" in this day and age.
I don't know Resident Evil very well, but based on the video shared and the arguments put forth by the three people it sounds like the race of characters like Leon S.Kennedy, Allbert Wesker, and Jill Valentine have importance and they also express disappointed that the filmmakers made no attempt to have their on-screen portrayers even resemble the source material. They think the actors are fine, but feel if they are not going to put in the effort to make them appear like their game counterparts, they probably would be better off creating new characters that they could leave an impact on the property - not unlike Milla Jovovich's Alice who was introduced in the original set of movies. They also express that if the characters were not white from the start and made into such they would still have much issue with the source material alterations in the adaptation. Fallacy still going to be fallacy. I'm a fan of the games, the races of those characters never mattered. These "fans" are complaining about things no decent person would complain about.
It shows how a specific studio can "Do no right" in this day and age. It's singled out for abuse above any other Studio.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 26, 2023 5:06:28 GMT
Comparing She Hulk to Seinfeld and The Mary Tyler Moore Show? Indeed, formersamhmd continues to be full of surprises. Rather than accept that people have different opinions on media, they need to come to the conclusion that a critic has bias, an agenda, is a scam artist, is deranged, etc. to make the world feel better in their eyes. It is getting more ridiculous every day.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 26, 2023 7:07:09 GMT
My friend, you could have seen one billion negative comments and that would still be considered a minority compared to the eight billion consumers that occupy the world. Because of the internet, you may see a loud minority, but in the end it is still a minority. But as already stated, I do not have familiarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show so you argument about there being double standards means nothing to me because I have no solid memory of it but I still find the She-Hulk series to have not been a particularly good product. A minority. Most people knew it wasn't going to be a series about Bruce Banner. It certainly didn't sound like that was the case, hence the negative reaction towards it. Unless you are able to link to a statement by a producer or writer on the series that confirms exactly what you are saying then your argument is easy to write off as fanfiction. You are talking about everyone who did not approve of the series or just a selection of people who took issue with it? I did not like the series very much because I didn't find it entertaining, I thought it was very bland, I didn't think it did the character any justice, I didn't think it ever really found its footing, I thought the writing was pretty misandrist, and it didn't compliment the Marvel Cinematic Universe at all. I maintain that the eighth episode with Daredevil was the best of the whole season, had the series played out more like that I wouldn't have as much issue with the product on the whole. It's a deranged enough response to get some eyebrows raised. This continues to show the negative backlash every single MCU Female has been getting if they don't start out as a secondary character constantly overshadowed by male leads.
And that shows how despite all the priors that came before it with little complaint, meaning things have somehow become more misogynistic since then.
Yes, and the show not really being about Bruce is what mad them angry to start with.
The negative reaction was because they were already ready to rip anything in the show apart. She never says "Nothing about your suffering after you transformed matters", meaning she was talking about his Pre-Hulk life. Why so many didn't realize this, I don't know.
So you'd have been fine if she spent the entire series being secondary to a white male lead. And yes, I'm talking about everyone who indulged in the deranged response She-Hulk got from certain folks.
Still a minority, and a fallacy. If somebody on YouTube decided to make a video, it's on them if they notice and feel compelled to do so, but by doing so it only gave a vocal minority more attention which isn't desired. Why are you speaking in a general sense when you were the one who mentioned The Mary Tyler Moore Show to me directly and I had explained myself that I have not familiar enough with that program to either agree or disagree with you? Their problem, because anybody should be able to tell from the title that it is going to be about She-Hulk and not the Hulk. Well, sorry to disappoint but I wasn't looking to hate to watch the program and be ready to rip it apart. I gave it a chance because I like the Hulk and She-Hulk and while Marvel Studios has largely disappointed me with most of their output in recent memory, I was willing to give it a shot. I was not impressed by what I saw in the premiere and that line didn't sit right with me as a fan of the cinematic universe and of the source material it comes from. Why so many don't realize it is because it is fanfiction created by you, she says to Banner, "I am an expert in controlling my anger because I do it infinitely more than you" and the set-up is her being angry at being 'mansplained' about controlling anger as a Hulk. It certainly didn't make me leave the scene thinking Jennifer Walters was a particularly likeable character, I was hoping for some character growth going forward but very little did that happen. No, I liked the episode because it felt like the writers had finally found the right balance of humor, picked the best timing for jokes, and the interplay between Jennifer Walters and Matt Murdock felt genuine and was fun to see without having felt like Daredevil had been treated poorly. It was a likeable episode.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 26, 2023 7:11:53 GMT
I don't know Resident Evil very well, but based on the video shared and the arguments put forth by the three people it sounds like the race of characters like Leon S.Kennedy, Allbert Wesker, and Jill Valentine have importance and they also express disappointed that the filmmakers made no attempt to have their on-screen portrayers even resemble the source material. They think the actors are fine, but feel if they are not going to put in the effort to make them appear like their game counterparts, they probably would be better off creating new characters that they could leave an impact on the property - not unlike Milla Jovovich's Alice who was introduced in the original set of movies. They also express that if the characters were not white from the start and made into such they would still have much issue with the source material alterations in the adaptation. Fallacy still going to be fallacy. I'm a fan of the games, the races of those characters never mattered. These "fans" are complaining about things no decent person would complain about.
It shows how a specific studio can "Do no right" in this day and age. It's singled out for abuse above any other Studio.
I am not familiar enough with the Resident Evil property to either agree or disagree, the three men in the video are expressing disappointment about a studio's inability to adapt a game property properly, and not even making the effort to have their actors remotely resemble their characters, keep in mind they are also expressing disappointment in the casting and appearance of who is playing the Claire Redfield character, who maintained being white in the latest film adaptation. Fallacy going to be fallacy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 8:10:15 GMT
Comparing She Hulk to Seinfeld and The Mary Tyler Moore Show? Indeed, formersamhmd continues to be full of surprises. Rather than accept that people have different opinions on media, they need to come to the conclusion that a critic has bias, an agenda, is a scam artist, is deranged, etc. to make the world feel better in their eyes. It is getting more ridiculous every day. His arguments are so severely flawed they are hardly worth reading, much less replying to. She Hulk is like Seinfeld because the characters are selfish on Seinfeld and appear selfish on She Hulk? Never mind that one was entirely intentional and the other the result of oblivious writing. She Hulk is like Mary Tyler Moore because both have a wide array of comedic styles. Never mind that one was deliberately and effectively wide ranging and the other only did this because of completely directionless show-runners. It boggles the mind.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 26, 2023 12:58:51 GMT
Comparing She Hulk to Seinfeld and The Mary Tyler Moore Show? Indeed, formersamhmd continues to be full of surprises. Rather than accept that people have different opinions on media, they need to come to the conclusion that a critic has bias, an agenda, is a scam artist, is deranged, etc. to make the world feel better in their eyes. It is getting more ridiculous every day. The insane response She-Hulk got (and was always going to get) speaks volumes about Outrage Culture.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 26, 2023 13:07:16 GMT
It's a deranged enough response to get some eyebrows raised. This continues to show the negative backlash every single MCU Female has been getting if they don't start out as a secondary character constantly overshadowed by male leads.
And that shows how despite all the priors that came before it with little complaint, meaning things have somehow become more misogynistic since then.
Yes, and the show not really being about Bruce is what mad them angry to start with.
The negative reaction was because they were already ready to rip anything in the show apart. She never says "Nothing about your suffering after you transformed matters", meaning she was talking about his Pre-Hulk life. Why so many didn't realize this, I don't know.
So you'd have been fine if she spent the entire series being secondary to a white male lead. And yes, I'm talking about everyone who indulged in the deranged response She-Hulk got from certain folks.
Still a minority, and a fallacy. If somebody on YouTube decided to make a video, it's on them if they notice and feel compelled to do so, but by doing so it only gave a vocal minority more attention which isn't desired. Why are you speaking in a general sense when you were the one who mentioned The Mary Tyler Moore Show to me directly and I had explained myself that I have not familiar enough with that program to either agree or disagree with you? Their problem, because anybody should be able to tell from the title that it is going to be about She-Hulk and not the Hulk. Well, sorry to disappoint but I wasn't looking to hate to watch the program and be ready to rip it apart. I gave it a chance because I like the Hulk and She-Hulk and while Marvel Studios has largely disappointed me with most of their output in recent memory, I was willing to give it a shot. I was not impressed by what I saw in the premiere and that line didn't sit right with me as a fan of the cinematic universe and of the source material it comes from. Why so many don't realize it is because it is fanfiction created by you, she says to Banner, "I am an expert in controlling my anger because I do it infinitely more than you" and the set-up is her being angry at being 'mansplained' about controlling anger as a Hulk. It certainly didn't make me leave the scene thinking Jennifer Walters was a particularly likeable character, I was hoping for some character growth going forward but very little did that happen. No, I liked the episode because it felt like the writers had finally found the right balance of humor, picked the best timing for jokes, and the interplay between Jennifer Walters and Matt Murdock felt genuine and was fun to see without having felt like Daredevil had been treated poorly. It was a likeable episode. Still an utterly deranged response, and that it happened so many times says a lot.
That you don't know about that old show means that the lessons it taught got forgotten over time, which is why there's such a backlash nowadays to anything similar.
The hope was that the title was just going to be a way of getting by their inability to make a Hulk show or movie (because of the deal with Universal) and that Jen wouldn't really be the lead and it would be all about Bruce.
Most were out to hate it before it debuted, they felt offended by her existence. Then again, I didn't hate Phase 4 either (I think it's better than most of Phases 1 and 2) and I understood Jen was talking about Bruce's Pre-Hulk life and not his Post-Hulk life. I understand that certain folks wanted Jen to be utterly broken and lose her pride completely and have no self-respect and go crawling back to Bruce and beg for forgiveness and become a useless damsel in her own show, but that wasn't going to happen.
There was no character growth in Seinfeld, no one complained.
The Daredevil episode got a positive response for making Jen be secondary in her own show, which appealed to certain viewers. Says a lot.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 26, 2023 13:09:02 GMT
I'm a fan of the games, the races of those characters never mattered. These "fans" are complaining about things no decent person would complain about.
It shows how a specific studio can "Do no right" in this day and age. It's singled out for abuse above any other Studio.
I am not familiar enough with the Resident Evil property to either agree or disagree, the three men in the video are expressing disappointment about a studio's inability to adapt a game property properly, and not even making the effort to have their actors remotely resemble their characters, keep in mind they are also expressing disappointment in the casting and appearance of who is playing the Claire Redfield character, who maintained being white in the latest film adaptation. Fallacy going to be fallacy. IE, they're complaining over superficial stuff and got mad the second they saw any nonwhites. As usual.
Not fallacy, just 1 studio being singled out for abuse above all others, based on nothing.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 26, 2023 13:10:06 GMT
Indeed, formersamhmd continues to be full of surprises. Rather than accept that people have different opinions on media, they need to come to the conclusion that a critic has bias, an agenda, is a scam artist, is deranged, etc. to make the world feel better in their eyes. It is getting more ridiculous every day. His arguments are so severely flawed they are hardly worth reading, much less replying to. She Hulk is like Seinfeld because the characters are selfish on Seinfeld and appear selfish on She Hulk? Never mind that one was entirely intentional and the other the result of oblivious writing. She Hulk is like Mary Tyler Moore because both have a wide array of comedic styles. Never mind that one was deliberately and effectively wide ranging and the other only did this because of completely directionless show-runners. It boggles the mind. You're saying "oblivious writing" and "directionless" based on nothing but your bias'. What makes you so sure it was oblivious writing and directionless and not intentional? You can easily say it was just laziness for Seinfeld and Mary Tyler Moore as well.
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