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Post by Sarge on Feb 3, 2023 14:31:07 GMT
I've been stuck with myself my whole life, been okay so far.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 15:16:15 GMT
You don’t understand the difference between science and pseudoscience, or between the Nature and Pseudo-Nature, there’s not anything left for me to discuss. You made a claim my point was being deceptive. I'm asking you what is the fallacy? Even scientific theory could be considered pseudo-science, because it can't always be proven.
You’re looking at definitions and not at how each enterprise operates. And you’re not interested in a dialogue. Right now are there millions of mentally not well people online believing all manner of ridiculous lies, conspiracy theories, and quack medicine because science might as well be pseudoscience. We can see the results this of magical thinking lying all about us.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 15:35:34 GMT
Even scientific theory could be considered pseudo-science, because it can't always be proven.
You’re looking at definitions and not at how each enterprise operates. And you’re not interested in a dialogue. Right now are there millions of mentally not well people online believing all manner of ridiculous lies, conspiracy theories, and quack medicine because science might as well be pseudoscience. We can see the results this of magical thinking lying all about us. How does each enterprise operate? You said they don't belong to anyone, yet they are all funded and shill for their bread and butter. It depends on what the theory is, yet the source is also important. You would believe anything you were told that keeps you in a state of fear. That is the magical commodity of the establishment, including scientific lies.
I can’t spend a week explaining how most scientists do not have such cynical attitude. You just assume they are all unethical and will do anything for a paycheck. Again, you’ve stopped the conversation dead. One uses a long process of education, rigor, data accumulation, falsifiability, peer review, and experimentation if necessary, all using the scientific method universally used by all scientists, researchers, and technicians. All theories and results must be duplicated by independent researchers in the same field for verification of those results. The other one does not require anything but a convincing story.
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Post by heeeeey on Feb 3, 2023 19:57:47 GMT
Clearly, you have no grasp of the concept of eternity.
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Post by heeeeey on Feb 3, 2023 19:58:32 GMT
It’s an approximation based upon measuring cosmic background radiation as it grows colder and colder. Did you know if you turn an old cathode ray TV to an empty channel, 1% of the static you see is leftover radiation from the Big Bang? So the remnants Big Bang are still “floating” around us. The Big Bang is theoretical. Everything is energy and vibration.
Even the measuring is speculation, because there is NO end in sight, there was NO beginning in sight either. There is NO start or end point for time. All time happens simultaneously.
Don't forget 'frequency'.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 3, 2023 20:30:50 GMT
Don't forget 'frequency'. Translation: don't forget to use sciencey sounding words to mask the fact that you literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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Post by heeeeey on Feb 3, 2023 20:33:18 GMT
Don't forget 'frequency'. Translation: don't forget to use sciencey sounding words to mask the fact that you literally have no idea what you are talking about. ^^^Ignoramus.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 4, 2023 1:11:52 GMT
I can’t spend a week explaining how most scientists do not have such cynical attitude. You just assume they are all unethical and will do anything for a paycheck. Again, you’ve stopped the conversation dead. One uses a long process of education, rigor, data accumulation, falsifiability, peer review, and experimentation if necessary, all using the scientific method universally used by all scientists, researchers, and technicians. All theories and results must be duplicated by independent researchers in the same field for verification of those results. The other one does not require anything but a convincing story. Let’s stick to the science of the mysterious universe, because it is a well known FACT that science can get distorted for self-serving agendas. The truth of the data will get silenced. Do you want an example? Theory is still unproven. It is not absolute and it is not leading to answers, only more questions. Hawkins wanted to understand the universe. Using science, mathematics/physics, what was it that he ultimately wanted to prove, the existence of Aliens/God? I never said science was absolute. Of course it’s not. Science does not claim that. That’s what religion say’s science is while claiming an absolute claim to God. As one of the first scientists said, the only constant is change. We do NOT know that it is a well known FACT that science…I’m assuming you mean the entire set of activities and human beings involved…can distorted for self-serving purposes. Did Einstein do that? The Nazis said he and all other scientists who were Jews or didn’t sign allegiance to the Party were liars. But we know for a FACT, Albert was right. As far as I know, Hawking didn’t want to prove anything in particular. He followed where the science took him. He was a theoretical physicist, meaning he basically worked in equations and wanted find out as much as he could about the large scale structure of the universe and the possibility of black holes, which have since been proven to exist, as a means to study the Big Bang. I can’t account for the honest of every scientist whoever lived or lives now, certainly all humans have weaknesses, but what is your example from the world of science that has so distorted reality?
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Post by amyghost on Feb 4, 2023 1:31:36 GMT
Clearly, you have no grasp of the concept of eternity. I do. Getting through your posts tends to give a taste of it, and it ain't pretty.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 4, 2023 1:48:01 GMT
I never said science was absolute. Of course it’s not. Science does not claim that. That’s what religion say’s science is while claiming an absolute claim to God. As one of the first scientists said, the only constant is change. We do NOT know that it is a well known FACT that science…I’m assuming you mean the entire set of activities and human beings involved…can distorted for self-serving purposes. Did Einstein do that? The Nazis said he and all other scientists who were Jews or didn’t sign allegiance to the Party were liars. But we know for a FACT, Albert was right. As far as I know, Hawking didn’t want to prove anything in particular. He followed where the science took him. He was a theoretical physicist, meaning he basically worked in equations and wanted find out as much as he could about the large scale structure of the universe and the possibility of black holes, which have since been proven to exist, as a means to study the Big Bang. I can’t account for the honest of every scientist whoever lived or lives now, certainly all humans have weaknesses, but what is your example from the world of science that has so distorted reality? My point is, that science needs to focus its time and energy on what is going on within earth. So what if Hawkins was a mathematical genius. Science fiction writers have already made imaginative stories about outer space and even black holes/worm holes/galaxies etc. What was Hawkins doing, that already hadn't already been expressed though fiction? Studying the big bang will mean what, how we came into existence? What would that then prove and dependent on what ones notion of existence is and this does take it into the spiritual realm too? Do you really want to get into a pandemic and vaccine discussion on a thread about heaven? What do want the truth (science) or myth (fiction)? You’re a free man, take your pick. You frustration expressed here is far more than anyone here can help you with. But without guys like Hawking and the millions of other people working in science from past to present, high to low, you’d not have this device in your hands that’s not that far from a Star Trek’s tricorder. Gene Roddenberry had no clue how to build one.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 4, 2023 2:56:15 GMT
What do want the truth (science) or myth (fiction)? You’re a free man, take your pick. You frustration expressed here is far more than anyone here can help you with. But without guys like Hawking and the millions of other people working in science from past to present, high to low, you’d not have this device in your hands that’s not that far from a Star Trek’s tricorder. Gene Roddenberry had no clue how to build one. I haven't dismissed scientific technology and what it is capable of. Are you frustrated because you can't grasp that the theory of everything regarding the universe is just that, theory and conjecture. What is fact, is that it is all impermanent. Telling us there are black holes that may be portals into other realms, or that it can swallow our galaxy whole, isn't really telling us anything new. Why champion the obvious. People like Rodenberry used "practical" scientific advancements to create the science fiction that still supports science. Per the math, a theory of everything is possible. And all this theory is finding where the gravity force meets the the electromagnetic, weak, and strong forces at their forcing carrier particle level. Hawking’s conjecture about the “mind of God” is him waxing poetic. ![](https://www.clearias.com/file/Four-Fundamental-Forces.gif) Maybe you should watch this movie.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 4, 2023 4:39:00 GMT
Per the math, a theory of everything is possible. And all this theory is finding where the gravity force meets the the electromagnetic, weak, and strong forces at their forcing carrier particle level. Hawking’s conjecture about the “mind of God” is him waxing poetic. ![](https://www.clearias.com/file/Four-Fundamental-Forces.gif) Maybe you should watch this movie. I have watched that yonks ago. I enjoy anything to do with the concept of space, but I wasn't overtly impressed in terms of any epiphany. Hawkins was pure science, but he wasn't so much philosopher. Brick logic is limiting. Everything is just that, everything. We are all a part and parcel of it, particles and mass and energy and as Carl Sagan has exclaimed, take the religious notion of God out of the picture and we are left on our own. This frightens many.Yep, Science is a big old wet blanket killjoy. That’s their problem, not science’s.
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