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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 18:15:38 GMT
Good, so you are perfectly okay with, say, the state allowing gay people to marry and enjoy all the social and economic benefits which that institution bestows. Or rather, you may not be okay with this, but as this position carries no real world consequences, as you affirmed above, your dislike of same sex marriage would be an internal thing which might come in up in conversation, but would not influence how you voted or donated money. Yes, it determines how I vote or how I donate my money.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 18:21:43 GMT
Good, so you are perfectly okay with, say, the state allowing gay people to marry and enjoy all the social and economic benefits which that institution bestows. Or rather, you may not be okay with this, but as this position carries no real world consequences, as you affirmed above, your dislike of same sex marriage would be an internal thing which might come in up in conversation, but would not influence how you voted or donated money. Yes, it determines how I vote or how I donate my money. Because you are a political US 'catholic'... Disconnected from the Holy See, and real Catholic philosophy around the world outside your political fundo bubble.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 27, 2023 18:25:28 GMT
Good, so you are perfectly okay with, say, the state allowing gay people to marry and enjoy all the social and economic benefits which that institution bestows. Or rather, you may not be okay with this, but as this position carries no real world consequences, as you affirmed above, your dislike of same sex marriage would be an internal thing which might come in up in conversation, but would not influence how you voted or donated money. Yes, it determines how I vote or how I donate my money. So apparently you answered my original question without any degree of thought or reading comprehension. And since we've now established that your "disagreeing" with this "lifestyle" isn't just an innocent idea lingering in your head but actually has injurious consequences for others, you can no long escape charges of being a bigot. That's exactly what you are.
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 18:25:42 GMT
Yes, it determines how I vote or how I donate my money. Because you are a political US 'catholic'... Disconnected from the Holy See, and real Catholic philosophy around the world outside your political fundo bubble. Get your facts straight!!! I am CANADIAN, of English/Irish descent. And if anybody should have quotes sign around the word Catholic, it is YOU. Your support of homosexual acts goes DIRECTLY AGAINST Catholic Church teaching, as I have already shown you more than once.
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 18:26:40 GMT
Yes, it determines how I vote or how I donate my money. So apparently you answered my original question without any degree of thought or reading comprehension. And since we've now established that your "disagreeing" with this "lifestyle" isn't just an innocent idea lingering in your head but actually has injurious consequences for others, you can no long escape charges of being a bigot. That's exactly what you are. Faustus doesn't believe in democracy, I take it....? Or is that only for people who think like your own self?
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 27, 2023 18:29:10 GMT
So apparently you answered my original question without any degree of thought or reading comprehension. And since we've now established that your "disagreeing" with this "lifestyle" isn't just an innocent idea lingering in your head but actually has injurious consequences for others, you can no long escape charges of being a bigot. That's exactly what you are. Faustus doesn't believe in democracy, I take it....? Or is that only for people who think like your own self? I believe that in a democracy, even pieces of human refuse like you get to vote.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 18:29:43 GMT
Because you are a political US 'catholic'... Disconnected from the Holy See, and real Catholic philosophy around the world outside your political fundo bubble. Get your facts straight!!! I am CANADIAN, of English/Irish descent. And if anybody should have quotes sign around the word Catholic, it is YOU. Your support of homosexual acts goes DIRECTLY AGAINST Catholic Church teaching, as I have already shown you more than once. You are out of touch, and out to lunch. You're a bigot... You give decent Catholics a bad name.
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 18:42:04 GMT
Faustus doesn't believe in democracy, I take it....? Or is that only for people who think like your own self? I believe that in a democracy, even pieces of human refuse like you get to vote. Good, & likewise human refuse such as your own self have a right to vote too.
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 18:42:46 GMT
Get your facts straight!!! I am CANADIAN, of English/Irish descent. And if anybody should have quotes sign around the word Catholic, it is YOU. Your support of homosexual acts goes DIRECTLY AGAINST Catholic Church teaching, as I have already shown you more than once. You are out of touch, and out to lunch. You're a bigot... You give decent Catholics a bad name. You think that the Catholic Church is a bigoted Church in other words. You do not regard the Catholic Church as decent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 18:52:31 GMT
You are out of touch, and out to lunch. You're a bigot... You give decent Catholics a bad name. You think that the Catholic Church is a bigoted Church in other words. You do not regard the Catholic Church as decent. No... You are a bigot. Don't try and hang your own prejudice on the Holy See.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 27, 2023 18:58:40 GMT
(which I personally think sums up the attitude of certain posters here on this particular message forum) "Our culture has accepted 2 lies. 1st, if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. 2nd, if you love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate. — @rickwarren" Not just on this forum, its everywhere online. I mean i was once accused of hating somebody (not on this forum) because i corrected them when they where wrong about something.
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 21:32:00 GMT
You think that the Catholic Church is a bigoted Church in other words. You do not regard the Catholic Church as decent. No... You are a bigot. Don't try and hang your own prejudice on the Holy See. "Chastity and homosexuality 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection." From the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Homosexuality According To The Catechism Of The Catholic Church
(PS: This link is from the Vatican website.)
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 21:32:46 GMT
(which I personally think sums up the attitude of certain posters here on this particular message forum) "Our culture has accepted 2 lies. 1st, if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. 2nd, if you love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate. — @rickwarren" Not just on this forum, its everywhere online. I mean i was once accused of hating somebody (not on this forum) because i corrected them when they where wrong about something. That is true.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 28, 2023 0:40:23 GMT
(which I personally think sums up the attitude of certain posters here on this particular message forum) "Our culture has accepted 2 lies. 1st, if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. 2nd, if you love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate. — @rickwarren" Not just on this forum, its everywhere online. I mean i was once accused of hating somebody (not on this forum) because i corrected them when they where wrong about something. Some will the "hate" card at every opportunity.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 28, 2023 6:58:36 GMT
You are a dictator yourself... Obsessed that you are right about everything, and telling everyone else how they should and should not live. I have a right to express my views, just as everybody else. You were the one who dragged me into that discussion on that other topic thread. That topic thread wasn't even attacking anybody. Just because you & others disagreed with the commentator in that video does not mean that he was wrong. Yes, ma'am, and no one so far has stopped you...unless you think folks disagreeing with you are "hating" on you. You are not free from criticism and that's what you want. Up until recently, the media never criticized any religion or person of faith, it was an unspoken "gentleman's agreement" as it were. That's why you think you are being "persecuted" by the Woke. And few hundred years ago, say the wrong word about the church and it could be hangin' offense. You will never get past that sorted history, Clu. Therefore you do not want that history spoken of ever again. Preaching the Gospel does not provide you an immunity from the truth.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 28, 2023 7:03:15 GMT
Not just on this forum, its everywhere online. I mean i was once accused of hating somebody (not on this forum) because i corrected them when they where wrong about something. Some will the "hate" card at every opportunity. You plenty "hate" me and others here. That's evident by how you treat people. I am a liberal atheist, the most hated group of people on the planet.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 28, 2023 10:10:50 GMT
"Our culture has accepted 2 lies. 1st, if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. 2nd, if you love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate. — @rickwarren" Oh yes, both statements are nonsense. But the assertion that our culture has accepted them is a third statement that is also nonsense.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 28, 2023 14:30:32 GMT
Some will the "hate" card at every opportunity. You plenty "hate" me and others here. Garbage. You're not even important enough to hate. There's a few here I dislike intensely, but you're not even one of them. You'rre just a nuisance. That's rich. You notice how I treat people but you're oblivious to how you treat people. I don't know how you figure that. Maybe you'll be kind enough to explain it someday. And when I say explain it, I mean in a way which makes sense to others as well as yourself.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 2, 2023 21:42:54 GMT
Some will the "hate" card at every opportunity. You plenty "hate" me and others here. That's evident by how you treat people. I am a liberal atheist, the most hated group of people on the planet. Thats a bold claim! I wonder if the Jews or the Aboriginals of Australia might want to have a look in?
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 3, 2023 5:19:52 GMT
You plenty "hate" me and others here. That's evident by how you treat people. I am a liberal atheist, the most hated group of people on the planet. Thats a bold claim! I wonder if the Jews or the Aboriginals of Australia might want to have a look in? I am a liberal atheist, the most hated group of people on the planet. Maybe this should be in the USA, but American Christians have permission to openly hate on atheists. I’m not gigging you, but you are unaware that it is still on the law books in some states that an open atheist technically cannot hold public office.
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